Draft Talk
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What do you mean? I kicked your ass at Euchre.
Or maybe not. You and Bob McHenry, right? I guess maybe you did all right.My Kiwanis Club is going to be holding a Euchre tournament in March. You should sign up, and try to dig up Bob to play with you. (though, actually, in this tournament we are always changing partners). I'll be your partner some.
No, it was Dick Reigned Wadsworth.
WSS
No, it was Dick Reigned Wadsworth.
WSS
My Dick reigns in Wadsworth....didn't you know?
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Well this is getting a little bit convoluted but I'd say it's still gambling no matter who I'm playing in poker. I suck at poker. I was great in Euchre in college but mostly with my old partner whom I haven't seen in decades. We didn't cheat nor did we renege just had a parallel style of play. Entered a big tournament and were eliminated in the first round.No... I'd argue it's not. Gambling is the ignoring of the certainty gap between your assessment of the risk-reward and what in fact the risk-reward truly is.
Here's a scenario for your consideration... You sit down at a table with the reigning WSOP champion for 12 hours of Heads-Up Texas Hold 'Em. Which of you is gambling?
Assessments can be wrong, but they have to be honest ones unfettered by need, importance. The more the other factors are allowed to creep into the evaluation, the more likely it is to be wrong. Those other factors need to be merged later in the process.
There's no doubt these factors close gaps and elevate QBs above higher rated players. A look at the NFL grades show this every year. In 2016 Goff and Wentz went 1-2 with 6.5's, then Bosa 6.7, Zeke 7.0, Ramsey 6.8, Stanley 6.5, Buckner 7.2. Not until 13 was the draft's highest graded player, Tunsil 7.6, picked, but he had late "issues" emerge.
Here's the full draft: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round
And here's my point... NFL graders have no stake in any team so "need" is a non-factor. And they don't weigh positions for their importance. They are impartial, dispassionate assessors of talent... as are PFF and Walter's and numerous other evaluation sites. We can all agree or disagree with any given assessment either individually or juxtaposed with another player, but any discussion in on talent for their position alone. And this happens within each team's FO.
Ultimately though the other factors do come in and so it likely did when we saw two QBs rise to the top of the 2016 class. I believe we each had different horses in that race... and so far mine looks like a nag... but the race is not over. One thing both our horses have in common is that so far both were out-delivered by others who came after them.
I think I might have forgotten the point but I guess all I'm saying is that the odds are better but the consensus best player in the draft will be more successful then reaching down ten spots and drafting that lower value guyat number one.
WSS
I think I might have forgotten the point but I guess all I'm saying is that the odds are better but the consensus best player in the draft will be more successful then reaching down ten spots and drafting that lower value guyat number one.
Preach the gospel truth Steve!
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Except for the fact I am on record here pre-draft on my examples. And research those you raise...
Hence why there needs to be a stickied reference thread for the players people settled on and outright advocated for or against.
I know I screenshotted D Bones comment when he called Bosa "average". I still get a kick out of that.
Hence why there needs to be a stickied reference thread for the players people settled on and outright advocated for or against.
I know I screenshotted D Bones comment when he called Bosa "average". I still get a kick out of that.
I believe I said he'd be good but not Watt good. I'm prepared to eat crow there. I've made my fair share of dumb predictions.
I thought Bortles was good. I still think he can be, but I recognize the probability of him being bad far outweighs it. I thought Carr would be trash, I was far off there. I had faith in EJ Manuel. I also believed in some late round guys becoming eventual starters - Tom Savage, Rakeem Cato and Zac Dysert come to mind. I guess Savage did technically fulfill my prophecy.
At the same time I preferred Wentz over Goff, believed Mariota and Winston would become franchise guys, thought TR was trash, thought Osweiler was trash, thought JM was trash, knew Wilson would be worth the pick, knew Zeke and Gurley would be amazing, knew Ponder would suck eggs and grew to hate Cook as the draft neared closer.
I'll put myself at a hopeful 50% but a realistic 33%.
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https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/report-nfl-teams-concerned-alabama-olb-tim-williams
Tim Williams is being compared to Randy Gregory. Not good.
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Browns fans already have PTJMS (Post Traumatic Johnny Manziel Syndrome).
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https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/report-nfl-teams-concerned-alabama-olb-tim-williams
Tim Williams is being compared to Randy Gregory. Not good.
https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/report-nfl-teams-concerned-alabama-olb-tim-williams
Tim Williams is being compared to Randy Gregory. Not good.
If Timmy has multiple failed drugged tests then he absolutely needs to have a Red X put over his name.
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@ghoolie said:
The kid from Syracuse will be the next Joe Montana.
On the 2017 draft. I finally have figured out the Browns draft logic. Think about it. The Browns traded down when they gave up Modell for Lerner. They just got into the habit of trading down to get shit.
6-3 207 2016 stats 64.8% comp. with 15 TD 7 INT 2678 yds 138.2 Rat. 4-8 w/l record What do you see that tells you he is Montana other than having better college stats (excluding Monana's 9-3 1978 w/l record) this past year and about the same size? Now granted when Syracuse HC Dino Babers was OC @ A&M I used to joke that he carried his playbook in a matchbook cover. He was relieved of those duties mid-season by Slocum. He got better learning from Art Briles @ Baylor.
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@ghoolie said:
The kid from Syracuse will be the next Joe Montana.
On the 2017 draft. I finally have figured out the Browns draft logic. Think about it. The Browns traded down when they gave up Modell for Lerner. They just got into the habit of trading down to get shit.
6-3 207 2016 stats 64.8% comp. with 15 TD 7 INT 2678 yds 138.2 Rat. 4-8 w/l record What do you see that tells you he is Montana other than having better college stats (excluding Monana's 9-3 1978 w/l record) this past year and about the same size? Now granted when Syracuse HC Dino Babers was OC @ A&M I used to joke that he carried his playbook in a matchbook cover. He was relieved of those duties mid-season by Slocum. He got better learning from Art Briles @ Baylor.
6-3 207 2016 stats 64.8% comp. with 15 TD 7 INT 2678 yds 138.2 Rat. 4-8 w/l record What do you see that tells you he is Montana other than having better college stats (excluding Monana's 9-3 1978 w/l record) this past year and about the same size? Now granted when Syracuse HC Dino Babers was OC @ A&M I used to joke that he carried his playbook in a matchbook cover. He was relieved of those duties mid-season by Slocum. He got better learning from Art Briles @ Baylor.
Your mistake is attempting to have a semi intelligent dialogue with a 60 year old Internet troll.
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6-3 207 2016 stats 64.8% comp. with 15 TD 7 INT 2678 yds 138.2 Rat. 4-8 w/l record What do you see that tells you he is Montana other than having better college stats (excluding Monana's 9-3 1978 w/l record) this past year and about the same size? Now granted when Syracuse HC Dino Babers was OC @ A&M I used to joke that he carried his playbook in a matchbook cover. He was relieved of those duties mid-season by Slocum. He got better learning from Art Briles @ Baylor.
Your mistake is attempting to have a semi intelligent dialogue with a 60 year old Internet troll.
Your mistake is attempting to have a semi intelligent dialogue with a 60 year old Internet troll.
But surely he can also recommend some fat-assed OLs off that team too.
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@ghoolie said:
The kid from Syracuse will be the next Joe Montana.
On the 2017 draft. I finally have figured out the Browns draft logic. Think about it. The Browns traded down when they gave up Modell for Lerner. They just got into the habit of trading down to get shit.
I wish the league would have forced Modell to sell the team to Al Lerner.
WSS
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#1 and #2 ?????
From an Aggie Board: "Big Mystery ??? what Cleveland will do. Hope they leave Myles alone."
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So Elflein has played himself into a day 3 pick.. if he's the answer, the Browns don't need to be the question.
Pocic at the top of round 3? I don't like those odds.. he could be over-drafted even at 3/1. Never great when you hear a center isn't very good at run-block.
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Well this is getting a little bit convoluted but I'd say it's still gambling no matter who I'm playing in poker. I suck at poker. I was great in Euchre in college but mostly with my old partner whom I haven't seen in decades. We didn't cheat nor did we renege just had a parallel style of play. Entered a big tournament and were eliminated in the first round.No... I'd argue it's not. Gambling is the ignoring of the certainty gap between your assessment of the risk-reward and what in fact the risk-reward truly is.
Here's a scenario for your consideration... You sit down at a table with the reigning WSOP champion for 12 hours of Heads-Up Texas Hold 'Em. Which of you is gambling?
Assessments can be wrong, but they have to be honest ones unfettered by need, importance. The more the other factors are allowed to creep into the evaluation, the more likely it is to be wrong. Those other factors need to be merged later in the process.
There's no doubt these factors close gaps and elevate QBs above higher rated players. A look at the NFL grades show this every year. In 2016 Goff and Wentz went 1-2 with 6.5's, then Bosa 6.7, Zeke 7.0, Ramsey 6.8, Stanley 6.5, Buckner 7.2. Not until 13 was the draft's highest graded player, Tunsil 7.6, picked, but he had late "issues" emerge.
Here's the full draft: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round
And here's my point... NFL graders have no stake in any team so "need" is a non-factor. And they don't weigh positions for their importance. They are impartial, dispassionate assessors of talent... as are PFF and Walter's and numerous other evaluation sites. We can all agree or disagree with any given assessment either individually or juxtaposed with another player, but any discussion in on talent for their position alone. And this happens within each team's FO.
Ultimately though the other factors do come in and so it likely did when we saw two QBs rise to the top of the 2016 class. I believe we each had different horses in that race... and so far mine looks like a nag... but the race is not over. One thing both our horses have in common is that so far both were out-delivered by others who came after them.
I think I might have forgotten the point but I guess all I'm saying is that the odds are better but the consensus best player in the draft will be more successful then reaching down ten spots and drafting that lower value guyat number one.
WSS
Well this is getting a little bit convoluted but I'd say it's still gambling no matter who I'm playing in poker. I suck at poker. I was great in Euchre in college but mostly with my old partner whom I haven't seen in decades. We didn't cheat nor did we renege just had a parallel style of play. Entered a big tournament and were eliminated in the first round.
I think I might have forgotten the point but I guess all I'm saying is that the odds are better but the consensus best player in the draft will be more successful then reaching down ten spots and drafting that lower value guyat number one.
The point was that you'd be gambling... the WSOP Champ would not be. How that pertained to anything is now a relic of the past.
So I guess that us two of us that are lost... lol... Cheers...
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Well this is getting a little bit convoluted but I'd say it's still gambling no matter who I'm playing in poker. I suck at poker. I was great in Euchre in college but mostly with my old partner whom I haven't seen in decades. We didn't cheat nor did we renege just had a parallel style of play. Entered a big tournament and were eliminated in the first round.
I think I might have forgotten the point but I guess all I'm saying is that the odds are better but the consensus best player in the draft will be more successful then reaching down ten spots and drafting that lower value guyat number one.
The point was that you'd be gambling... the WSOP Champ would not be. How that pertained to anything is now a relic of the past.
So I guess that us two of us that are lost... lol... Cheers...
The point was that you'd be gambling... the WSOP Champ would not be. How that pertained to anything is now a relic of the past.
So I guess that us two of us that are lost... lol... Cheers...
Even though I'm a shitty poker player and even though the champ would have a better chance the cards still have to be dealt.
So when are you coming up for a beer?
WSS
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Beer? Now I want poker as well...
Hard to say when, Steve... not seeing a visit for a Browns game this season.
And barring some major construction activity I've not yet heard of, I don't see a mid-west "Coaster Tour" this summer.
If I do attend the Draft in Philly, still pending, then I might slide in for a couple days just to stay in touch with the area.
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The D comes first draft ...
Your score is: 11335 (GRADE: A)Your Picks:Round 1 Pick 6 (NYJ): Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State (A)Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A+)Round 2 Pick 1: Jabrill Peppers, SS/SS, Michigan (A+)Round 2 Pick 7 (NYJ): Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A-)Round 2 Pick 20: Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (A)Round 3 Pick 1: Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami (Fla.) (A)Round 4 Pick 1: Evan Engram, TE/WR, Ole Miss (A)Round 5 Pick 32: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A+)Round 6 Pick 1: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)Your Future Picks:2018 Round 1 Pick2018 Round 1 Pick (NYJ)2019 Round 1 Pick -
https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/report-nfl-teams-concerned-alabama-olb-tim-williams
Tim Williams is being compared to Randy Gregory. Not good.
https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/report-nfl-teams-concerned-alabama-olb-tim-williams
Tim Williams is being compared to Randy Gregory. Not good.
Because of his play......which would be fine.....or because of his off field stuff?
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@ghoolie said:
The kid from Syracuse will be the next Joe Montana.
On the 2017 draft. I finally have figured out the Browns draft logic. Think about it. The Browns traded down when they gave up Modell for Lerner. They just got into the habit of trading down to get shit.
I wish the league would have forced Modell to sell the team to Al Lerner.
WSS
I wish the league would have forced Modell to sell the team to Al Lerner.
WSS
It took them like another 3 years only to realize they should have done that.
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https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/report-nfl-teams-concerned-alabama-olb-tim-williams
Tim Williams is being compared to Randy Gregory. Not good.
Because of his play......which would be fine.....or because of his off field stuff?
Because of his play......which would be fine.....or because of his off field stuff?
Repeatedly failed piss tests. Gregory is suspended currently for just that reason.
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A gun charge mixed in as well.
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