Chad Kelly Vrs Mitch Trubisky
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Lol cal, we'd be lucky to get the production of most of those guys. That's not to mention Labia Bell, caught with weed twice. Tyreek Hill, domestic violence. Dez Bryant, absolutely horrid record. Dak Prescott, DUI. Jadaveon Clowney, doesn't "love the game." And that was just from this weekend's games!
Don't be such a Michigan fan.
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Just sayin, that if somebody want to watch scum, they can watch rugby, cause
"scrum" is only one letter off......
lol. Anyways, remember the old stupid movie where they played extremely dirty, even
injecting a sedative into a star player for the other team in a big pile up? Maybe it was a prison football team...
My theory is that is how the pukesburg squealers built their team. Started out with excons -
rapists, forgers, violent assualters, mentally ill...
Just not my kind of football. That's kinda funny. haha. (but would it surprise anybody except a squealer "fan" ?)
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M A S H
WSS
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www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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ah, that makes sense.... lol
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Like I said.
but you forgot the asterisks...
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I'm hoping like Hell we go Defense with our first 2 picks. I've seen Trubisky play twice in his small body of work starting. I already posted I see why some guys really like him and pointed out the specifics I really liked such strong, accurate and consistently escapes trouble behind a suspect pass pro. Unfortunately, I see a lot of parallels to Tim Couch in the moral victories dept excusing both losses to drops and if he just had the right team around him. So what happened to Couch? He came here while McNabb went to the NFL team coming off the worst record. Couch received the same excuses here that he got at Kentucky vrs SEC Competition while McNabb turned an unforgiving hatred in the City of Brotherly Love over not drafting Ricky Williams into nothing but playoffs from about 2000-2010 inclusive of 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 exciting SB matchup with NE.
In 2002, we DID make the playoffs with a 9-7 record once our a bye week re-eval decided to take the offense off Couch's shoulders and onto the running game. Over the last 5-6 games of that season, William Green averaged over a 100 yards rushing per game while a considerable portion of our fan base began to favor Kelly Holcomb if memory serves me right here. The day we clinched a playoff spot beating a playoff bound Atlanta team - Couch left the game early with us behind. Holcomb came in and William Green ran for 164 yards to help us overcome the deficit. While I felt bad for Couch at times, he was a #1 overall pick which meant he was supposed to drive the franchise to greatness as opposed to being one of the passengers. I think our FO put the cleaning staff in charge of researching McNabb while Andy Reid remembered Favre played in a So Miss offense very similar to the Veer Option McNabb played in at SU. The difference between McNabb and Couch is one guy never ended up needing excuses while the other quickly made everyone around him instantly better. Again, Philly came off the worst record in the NFL so let's not pretend only 1 guy had challenges to overcome. This comes from the same guy who's very first post in cyberspace said "Couch just Makes Sense." I thought there was no other answer until hindsight 20/20 showed me otherwise. While Couch didn't suck - he never was the solution Philly found at #2 overall in 1999.
So? Sometimes you have to look at a QB prospect that transcended a major college program/tradition to elite like say a Bernie Kosar or an Andrew Luck or even a Joe Montana; or see why/how an Aaron Rodgers beats a much more talented USC team than his. Once upon a time, I saw Elway erase a 28 point halftime lead Ohio State had on an inferior Stanford team in a game that should have never ended in a tie. They did the same stuff at the next level. Even Poor Andrew Luck who has taken a suspect pass pro to a Conference Championship game already. I guess we can throw Peyton Manning in there since his excellence attracted enough recruits for UT to win the National Championship the first season after he went to the NFL. Keep in mind, Montana got stereotyped for arm strength, less than wonderful passing stats and style of offense so he fell to something like round 3 or 4 (paving the way for much lesser QBs to follow at ND to get drafted higher in the future - even one often hailed as "the most pro ready" of his draft class). As for SU, they stopped competing for 1st place in the Big East after McNabb left. Today, that football program is looking for a pulse in the ACC.
What happens when there doesn't appear to be an obvious franchise QB at #1 overall or one a QB that transcended a major college football program to excellence?
1) You can pretend there is one and reach...
2) You can get bullied into drafting a QB in round 1 even if a 1st round talent does not exist because that's what we're still being told we need to do. We've rinsed and repeated this one so often - it's hard to trust it again.
3) You can do enough film review and research to feel you SEE the right QB.
4) You can draft to make this an easier place to play QB for whatever QBs you already have + whatever QBs you draft later (ie; is there an easier place for a young guy to play QB than Dallas today?)
I just thought I'd share a look at the stats of the last FULL seasons Mitch Trubisky and Chad Kelly started. In doing so, one has to understand Chad Kelly injured his ACL in 2016, which means he'll miss a lot of the pre-draft workouts without defenses hurrying throws against WRs not being defended by NFL corners with a bad pass pro hurrying throws even more so. Film can show show you a lot of that stuff better. Unfortunately, it can't replicate the level of complexity NFL defenses can confuse a rookie QB with during his new role of reading progressions in a faster league while he may not have very good pass pro or much help around him. Here's their stats in the final full.
Chad Kelly (2015)
298 of 458 for 4042 yds 65.1 cmp% 8.8 ypc 31 TD 13 INT 500 yds rushing 4.7 ypc 10 TD rushing
* Last SEC QB to beat Alabama (the last time Alabama won a National Championship). Like Cam Newton, he had to grow up after getting thrown out of his first college program at 18 years of age. Even though he led his team to over 30 points again in 2016 vrs Bama, they forced him into some bad decisions.
Mitch Trubisky (2016)
304 of 447 for 3748 yds 68.0 cmp% 8.4 ypc 30 TD 6 INT 308 yds rushing 3.3 ypc 5 TD rushing
* Fun kid to watch with hometown roots as close by as Mentor. Strong, accurate and eludes pressure consistently. Has to overcome locking onto his primary target as depicted in the pick 6 against Stanford
While I won't hate it if we draft Trubisky, I'm just not sold he's any better than Chad Kelly especially knowing Kelly will probably fall to a much later slot than Trubisky. That being the case, we can sure draft a lot of impact in that upper first round and even at the top of round 2 before we address the QB spot. We can draft 2 impactful studs on defense in round 1 and add Elfein at Center at the top of round 2 before we'd even have to draft Kelly. Looking at my multiple choice above - I choose #4. Wouldn't it be fun to defer a coin toss and actually stop an opponent from scoring 2 minutes into the game for whoever we start at QB for once?
I'm hoping like Hell we go Defense with our first 2 picks. I've seen Trubisky play twice in his small body of work starting. I already posted I see why some guys really like him and pointed out the specifics I really liked such strong, accurate and consistently escapes trouble behind a suspect pass pro. Unfortunately, I see a lot of parallels to Tim Couch in the moral victories dept excusing both losses to drops and if he just had the right team around him. So what happened to Couch? He came here while McNabb went to the NFL team coming off the worst record. Couch received the same excuses here that he got at Kentucky vrs SEC Competition while McNabb turned an unforgiving hatred in the City of Brotherly Love over not drafting Ricky Williams into nothing but playoffs from about 2000-2010 inclusive of 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 exciting SB matchup with NE.
In 2002, we DID make the playoffs with a 9-7 record once our a bye week re-eval decided to take the offense off Couch's shoulders and onto the running game. Over the last 5-6 games of that season, William Green averaged over a 100 yards rushing per game while a considerable portion of our fan base began to favor Kelly Holcomb if memory serves me right here. The day we clinched a playoff spot beating a playoff bound Atlanta team - Couch left the game early with us behind. Holcomb came in and William Green ran for 164 yards to help us overcome the deficit. While I felt bad for Couch at times, he was a #1 overall pick which meant he was supposed to drive the franchise to greatness as opposed to being one of the passengers. I think our FO put the cleaning staff in charge of researching McNabb while Andy Reid remembered Favre played in a So Miss offense very similar to the Veer Option McNabb played in at SU. The difference between McNabb and Couch is one guy never ended up needing excuses while the other quickly made everyone around him instantly better. Again, Philly came off the worst record in the NFL so let's not pretend only 1 guy had challenges to overcome. This comes from the same guy who's very first post in cyberspace said "Couch just Makes Sense." I thought there was no other answer until hindsight 20/20 showed me otherwise. While Couch didn't suck - he never was the solution Philly found at #2 overall in 1999.
So? Sometimes you have to look at a QB prospect that transcended a major college program/tradition to elite like say a Bernie Kosar or an Andrew Luck or even a Joe Montana; or see why/how an Aaron Rodgers beats a much more talented USC team than his. Once upon a time, I saw Elway erase a 28 point halftime lead Ohio State had on an inferior Stanford team in a game that should have never ended in a tie. They did the same stuff at the next level. Even Poor Andrew Luck who has taken a suspect pass pro to a Conference Championship game already. I guess we can throw Peyton Manning in there since his excellence attracted enough recruits for UT to win the National Championship the first season after he went to the NFL. Keep in mind, Montana got stereotyped for arm strength, less than wonderful passing stats and style of offense so he fell to something like round 3 or 4 (paving the way for much lesser QBs to follow at ND to get drafted higher in the future - even one often hailed as "the most pro ready" of his draft class). As for SU, they stopped competing for 1st place in the Big East after McNabb left. Today, that football program is looking for a pulse in the ACC.
What happens when there doesn't appear to be an obvious franchise QB at #1 overall or one a QB that transcended a major college football program to excellence?
1) You can pretend there is one and reach...
2) You can get bullied into drafting a QB in round 1 even if a 1st round talent does not exist because that's what we're still being told we need to do. We've rinsed and repeated this one so often - it's hard to trust it again.
3) You can do enough film review and research to feel you SEE the right QB.
4) You can draft to make this an easier place to play QB for whatever QBs you already have + whatever QBs you draft later (ie; is there an easier place for a young guy to play QB than Dallas today?)
I just thought I'd share a look at the stats of the last FULL seasons Mitch Trubisky and Chad Kelly started. In doing so, one has to understand Chad Kelly injured his ACL in 2016, which means he'll miss a lot of the pre-draft workouts without defenses hurrying throws against WRs not being defended by NFL corners with a bad pass pro hurrying throws even more so. Film can show show you a lot of that stuff better. Unfortunately, it can't replicate the level of complexity NFL defenses can confuse a rookie QB with during his new role of reading progressions in a faster league while he may not have very good pass pro or much help around him. Here's their stats in the final full.
Chad Kelly (2015)
298 of 458 for 4042 yds 65.1 cmp% 8.8 ypc 31 TD 13 INT 500 yds rushing 4.7 ypc 10 TD rushing
* Last SEC QB to beat Alabama (the last time Alabama won a National Championship). Like Cam Newton, he had to grow up after getting thrown out of his first college program at 18 years of age. Even though he led his team to over 30 points again in 2016 vrs Bama, they forced him into some bad decisions.
Mitch Trubisky (2016)
304 of 447 for 3748 yds 68.0 cmp% 8.4 ypc 30 TD 6 INT 308 yds rushing 3.3 ypc 5 TD rushing
* Fun kid to watch with hometown roots as close by as Mentor. Strong, accurate and eludes pressure consistently. Has to overcome locking onto his primary target as depicted in the pick 6 against Stanford
While I won't hate it if we draft Trubisky, I'm just not sold he's any better than Chad Kelly especially knowing Kelly will probably fall to a much later slot than Trubisky. That being the case, we can sure draft a lot of impact in that upper first round and even at the top of round 2 before we address the QB spot. We can draft 2 impactful studs on defense in round 1 and add Elfein at Center at the top of round 2 before we'd even have to draft Kelly. Looking at my multiple choice above - I choose #4. Wouldn't it be fun to defer a coin toss and actually stop an opponent from scoring 2 minutes into the game for whoever we start at QB for once?
Flugs, I don't think you can look strictly at stats and point that out as the be all and end all of QB comparisons. If that were the case then we could say that we should take any QB from the Big 12, all of whom probably have better stats than Trubisky or Kelly, since they don't play defense in that conference.
That being said, I would not be against taking a flyer on Kelly at some point.
I have seen where Kelly may last until round 6. I say take MT at #1 AND take Kelly down there. Can't hurt.
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Calsies, I wish I could say drafting "Nice" kids like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn was the best way to prevent the pricks in Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy from taking turns at repeatedly winning the division. Unfortunately, I've seen where our nice guys have continued to finish since 1999.
I'd hate to think we're going to spend the next 3-4 years defending our 1st overall pick with "yeah but he's a great kid."
Like I said in this thread, it doesn't necessarily have to be Chad Kelly as a later round alternative to using #1 overall on Trubisky. It can be another QB the popularity contest pushes back like it did to guys like Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson not so long ago. I just think Kelly's skill set along with the ACL injury plus all the old stories about what a terrible kid he used to be could work in our favor in a later round with minimal risk/hurt if we're wrong. If you have a QB you feel might fit this route better than Chad Kelly - I'd be open to hearing who it is and why you feel he's a better idea.
Keep in mind, as the draft comes closer - there's going to be more stories surfacing to scare teams away from drafting a kid like Kelly. I remembered reading the week of the draft that Adrian Peterson's shoulder/clavicle injury might require season ending surgery before his rookie year would even get off the ground. Some teams took the bait while Minnesota did their research instead of reacting to rumors and false stories that were getting printed. Some of this could very well apply here especially with writers like Jason LaCockroach out there.
I agree. Nice guys finish last in football. The game of football just does not comport with gentlemen for the most part.
I agree. Nice guys finish last in football. The game of football just does not comport with gentlemen for the most part.
You want to watch a "Gentleman's game"? Go watch like fucking Cricket.
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If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
Brett Favre.
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If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
Brett Favre.
Brett Favre.
Is pick #33 considered "late round"?
Because the way it sounds around here, it's "basically a first round pick". Which is it, then?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Chad Kelly wants people to call him "Swag Kelly" and made a rap, about himself, under the moniker of "Chad AK47 Kelly"
If this doesn't represent everything this man brings to the table and why I'd rather have Ghoolie play QB then this clown I don't know what will.
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Brett Favre.
Is pick #33 considered "late round"?
Because the way it sounds around here, it's "basically a first round pick". Which is it, then?
Is pick #33 considered "late round"?
Because the way it sounds around here, it's "basically a first round pick". Which is it, then?
I know, I was just trying to think of a guy that had issues. Favre had his vicodin addiction.
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Chad Kelly wants people to call him "Swag Kelly" and made a rap, about himself, under the moniker of "Chad AK47 Kelly"
If this doesn't represent everything this man brings to the table and why I'd rather have Ghoolie play QB then this clown I don't know what will.
Chad Kelly wants people to call him "Swag Kelly" and made a rap, about himself, under the moniker of "Chad AK47 Kelly"
If this doesn't represent everything this man brings to the table and why I'd rather have Ghoolie play QB then this clown I don't know what will.
Oh, hell no.
Zombo
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Chad Kelly wants people to call him "Swag Kelly" and made a rap, about himself, under the moniker of "Chad AK47 Kelly"
If this doesn't represent everything this man brings to the table and why I'd rather have Ghoolie play QB then this clown I don't know what will.
Oh, hell no.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Oh, hell no.
Zombo
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
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Zombo said:
Oh, hell no.
Zombo
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
It's not the quality of the performance.
It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags.
Zombo
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No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
It's not the quality of the performance.
It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags.
Zombo
Zombo said:
It's not the quality of the performance.
It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags.
Zombo
Had enough of QB's more interested in being famous than being professional football players. Wouldn't bring this asshat in as an undrafted free agent, let alone using a draft pick on him.
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Zombo said:
Oh, hell no.
Zombo
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
"Chad Kelly on the field, yeah, you know it's swag/Touchdown every time that he throw a pass/He might just take off like he Michael Vick/Shake you for the touchdown, yeah, you know he sick."
"New York state Player of the Year boi/Ain't a team that a Chad Kelly fear boi/2012, Clemson, it's the year boi/It's the eye of the tiger up in here boi."
.....It's worse than any other rap song I've heard.
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Zombo said:
Oh, hell no.
Zombo
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
Never tossed on some Biggie I take?
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No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.
It's not the quality of the performance.
It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags.
Zombo
Zombo said:
It's not the quality of the performance.
It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags.
Zombo
Don't care. So did the 1985 Chicago Bears. No red flag there now, was there?
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