Charter schools
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The main argument for charter schools is that the students would perform better and the school would somehow magically be run more efficiently because of some secret free market spell despite it not really being a free mkt enterprise. Last i read that wasnt really panning out. Infact in some places in the country the charter schools are worse run than the shitty publuc schools.
Im not for or against them, just what I read.
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Just wondering if anyone here has anything rational to say Pro or con about charter schools? I've searched and basically the links that are teachers union based hate them and it seems That's the basis of the anti Betsy DeVos movement.
One of the big criticisms a liberal friend of mine has is that he doesn't want them to get any public financing if they don't operate under the same regulations as the public schools. I can't get anyone to list any of these regulations but if it has anything to do with the teachers union contract I would imagine eliminating those regulations would be a good thing.
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Just wondering if anyone here has anything rational to say Pro or con about charter schools? I've searched and basically the links that are teachers union based hate them and it seems That's the basis of the anti Betsy DeVos movement.
One of the big criticisms a liberal friend of mine has is that he doesn't want them to get any public financing if they don't operate under the same regulations as the public schools. I can't get anyone to list any of these regulations but if it has anything to do with the teachers union contract I would imagine eliminating those regulations would be a good thing.
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We just these on our ballot in the recent election:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/11/08/charter/v34OA3vMI8dRABDsFc4JuM/story.html
The opposition in MA argued against charter schools because they take funds away from public schools that are already strapped for funding. The proponents argued that it gives more choices particularly for people in disadvantaged areas with failing public schools.
Personally, at first I was in favor for charter schools because I didn't know they'd be sharing the same funding pool as the public system, and generally believed the competition would make the public schools better. I also liked the idea of having them as an 'incubator' where educators would be more free to innovate. However, now that I know they do indeed take money away from public schools, I can't support them.
If they had their own source of funding that didn't come from the budget already allocated to public schools, I would possibly be in favor of them again.
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No expert here. Based on Ohio dept. of Ed. website funding is provide by:
"How School Funding is DistributedPublic school districts use a combination of state funds, local sources such as property taxes (and in some cases income taxes) and federal funds"
If I were to enroll my kids in a charter school, does the public school district still get the funds from my property taxes?
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I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
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Oh I completely understand that the unions are angry if charter schools get money and that means less revenue for public schools. Still at the end of the day the goal should be to educate children at a reasonable cost no matter where they go, no?
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I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
On the off-chance you're being serious I don't agree. I went to public school and somebody paid for it who might not have had children.
Actually I could see that homeschooling families should probably get a stipend even though I think homeschooling is not necessarily a great thing.
WSS
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From the studies used for that article, it appears that on a whole that charter schools out perform the public schools in most urban areas. However, there were some under performing charter schools mixed in as well. Anecdotally, my wife has two friends who work at a charter school and their kids have far outperformed the public school kids in the same district on standardized testing. It isn't a focus of theirs it is just a net result from having a better quality education.
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I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
I would still volunteer to pay it because I don't want a gaggle of dumbshit kids wandering around my neighborhood who will grow up to be dumbshit adults.
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Oh I completely understand that the unions are angry if charter schools get money and that means less revenue for public schools. Still at the end of the day the goal should be to educate children at a reasonable cost no matter where they go, no?
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Oh I completely understand that the unions are angry if charter schools get money and that means less revenue for public schools. Still at the end of the day the goal should be to educate children at a reasonable cost no matter where they go, no?
WSS
The kids are still being educated in their local district. The teachers unions don't have a leg to stand on. It is about having more money in the cookie jar for the teachers union and fear that the charter school kids will be outperforming the larger public schools.
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I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
I would still volunteer to pay it because I don't want a gaggle of dumbshit kids wandering around my neighborhood who will grow up to be dumbshit adults.
I would still volunteer to pay it because I don't want a gaggle of dumbshit kids wandering around my neighborhood who will grow up to be dumbshit adults.
But you live in WV.......
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I would still volunteer to pay it because I don't want a gaggle of dumbshit kids wandering around my neighborhood who will grow up to be dumbshit adults.
But you live in WV.......
But you live in WV.......
And they could still find a way to be dumber haha. There is a clear divide between "can read and do basic math" in the northern part of the state and "I speak with a series of clicks and grunts" in the southern part of this hell hole.
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Wife took a job in Columbus so this nightmare will be over soon.
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I don't think that people whose kids are grown or people who don't have kids should have to pay for the education of other people's children.
On the off-chance you're being serious I don't agree. I went to public school and somebody paid for it who might not have had children.
Actually I could see that homeschooling families should probably get a stipend even though I think homeschooling is not necessarily a great thing.
WSS
On the off-chance you're being serious I don't agree.
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Ofc he's serious. U on the other hand actually scored points today in the game of life, congrats
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Wife took a job in Columbus so this nightmare will be over soon.
Wife took a job in Columbus so this nightmare will be over soon.
Columbus is nice. Only a 2 hour trip from Cleveland for when the Browns start playing good.
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I think the situation is very confusing because a quick google search will find many articles that either say charter schools are better or worse than public.
The best I can make out is there is an argument that charter schools in urban areas do better than public schools in urban areas, while in suburban areas they do not.
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I think the situation is very confusing because a quick google search will find many articles that either say charter schools are better or worse than public.
The best I can make out is there is an argument that charter schools in urban areas do better than public schools in urban areas, while in suburban areas they do not.
Well that underscores my opinion that it's the demographics that make schools better or worse.I think the situation is very confusing because a quick google search will find many articles that either say charter schools are better or worse than public.
The best I can make out is there is an argument that charter schools in urban areas do better than public schools in urban areas, while in suburban areas they do not.
I don't think training is much different whether you work at JFK or Solon.
Or whether you got your teaching degree from Bowling Green or Akron U.
And partially in the Innercity any parent who takes the trouble to send their child to a charter school obviously cares more than the average single teenage welfare mother in the hood. Or trailer park for that matter.
That just means the kid has a head start before he gets to the public or the charter school.
One thing I'm not sure of, but I could look up, is whether or not public schools are beginning to require master's degrees.
And yes Osiris you get a big difference among websites and I chalk that up to politics.
WSS
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Well that underscores my opinion that it's the demographics that make schools better or worse.I think the situation is very confusing because a quick google search will find many articles that either say charter schools are better or worse than public.
The best I can make out is there is an argument that charter schools in urban areas do better than public schools in urban areas, while in suburban areas they do not.
I don't think training is much different whether you work at JFK or Solon.
Or whether you got your teaching degree from Bowling Green or Akron U.
And partially in the Innercity any parent who takes the trouble to send their child to a charter school obviously cares more than the average single teenage welfare mother in the hood. Or trailer park for that matter.
That just means the kid has a head start before he gets to the public or the charter school.
One thing I'm not sure of, but I could look up, is whether or not public schools are beginning to require master's degrees.
And yes Osiris you get a big difference among websites and I chalk that up to politics.
WSS
Well that underscores my opinion that it's the demographics that make schools better or worse.
I don't think training is much different whether you work at JFK or Solon.
Or whether you got your teaching degree from Bowling Green or Akron U.
And partially in the Innercity any parent who takes the trouble to send their child to a charter school obviously cares more than the average single teenage welfare mother in the hood. Or trailer park for that matter.
That just means the kid has a head start before he gets to the public or the charter school.
One thing I'm not sure of, but I could look up, is whether or not public schools are beginning to require master's degrees.
And yes Osiris you get a big difference among websites and I chalk that up to politics.
WSS
I agree, demographics are a probably a big part of it. Ultimately I think its a decision best made at an extremely local level. Every town should do what is best for its demographic. My kid goes to a public STEAM school and he's flourishing there, so no complaints. I would not like to see funding taken away from it to support a charter school in our town. At the same time, it shouldn't keep kids in the inner-city from having a different type of school if it works better for them.
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Well that underscores my opinion that it's the demographics that make schools better or worse.
I don't think training is much different whether you work at JFK or Solon.
Or whether you got your teaching degree from Bowling Green or Akron U.
And partially in the Innercity any parent who takes the trouble to send their child to a charter school obviously cares more than the average single teenage welfare mother in the hood. Or trailer park for that matter.
That just means the kid has a head start before he gets to the public or the charter school.
One thing I'm not sure of, but I could look up, is whether or not public schools are beginning to require master's degrees.
And yes Osiris you get a big difference among websites and I chalk that up to politics.
WSS
I agree, demographics are a probably a big part of it. Ultimately I think its a decision best made at an extremely local level. Every town should do what is best for its demographic. My kid goes to a public STEAM school and he's flourishing there, so no complaints. I would not like to see funding taken away from it to support a charter school in our town. At the same time, it shouldn't keep kids in the inner-city from having a different type of school if it works better for them.
I agree, demographics are a probably a big part of it. Ultimately I think its a decision best made at an extremely local level. Every town should do what is best for its demographic. My kid goes to a public STEAM school and he's flourishing there, so no complaints. I would not like to see funding taken away from it to support a charter school in our town. At the same time, it shouldn't keep kids in the inner-city from having a different type of school if it works better for them.
On the other hand taking money away from the inner city school to support A specialized STEM School...
WSS
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Kids should be required to work for their schooling.
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I love charter schools and home schooling, philosopically. Sure there are underperforming
charter and public schools. Our friend's kids in N.C. go to probably the best Christian
charter school in the state.
We are a free country - there isn't room for teacher's unions to acquire a monopolistic power
over our education system. Some want the power with the idea that they can socially engineer
in liberal fashion far more successfully if there weren't any charter schools and home schooling
was illegal. That German family that the obaMao bastards fight like hell to kick out of our country...
all they wanted was to home school their kids.
The teachers unions and liberal boards want to teach crossdressing, sex, and liberal viewpoints, etc... and
don't care about American history, patriotism for great reasons, math and science. Some of them want to teach
mmgw as abolute truth. It's like long term social engineering for some. They want to teach anti-gun ownership,
anti-Christianity, anti-family values.
That is what the anti-property tax battle is about. They don't have total power when they have to be held
accountable to the voters. If they could just get auto-funding from state and national levels, they can do and
be any damn thing they want to be, and nobody can stop them.
It's power they want. "they" referring to the haters of charter schools and homeschooling. Otherwise, there is
no reason to welcome competition for the kids' sakes. ALL KIDS deserve the very best education Americans
can give them. It's ulterior motives alone that cause liberals to fight things like charter schools, home schooling,
students praying by themselves, hunting tshirts, Christian tshirts, our Flag, patriotic American history.
Why would any school system not teach our Constitution, American history, but then teach about
only the bad things about our country's history? The left is going rabid in trying to enforce their liberal
slants on American kids. They can't get away with it much when there are alternatives to their schools
and how they stupidly run them.
The other point, is demographic. If you have good kids, why make them suffer because they have to attend
the local public school and be fighting to stay away from gangs, drugs, fights, etc? Parents MUST have
options.
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