Top Draft Needs of Teams
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If we did take Fournette and kept Crowell, we could have a dominant rush game. What does that mean? That means we control the game-clock and buy our Defense the luxury of staying fresh and off the field. That right there already makes them better!
Then when the Defense flies around and gets turnovers we are able to turn that turnover into a demoralizing show of strength, pounding the rock right down their throats, and there's nothing they can do about it.
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I'll bet money he doesn't run 4.4 or better.
I'll forgive Po's typo BUT. My gauge of Fournette's speed is as follows. Of the clips I've watched, at least he never got caught from behind- Trent Richardson did- plenty of times. OTOH Barry Sanders and Adrian Peterson never did. I saw Fournette take plenty of unnecessary hits. He'll get hurt in a hurry if he keeps that up in the NFL. Saw a blurb on ESPN- Can Fournette be the next Elliot? My opinion is NO. Zeke at least tries to protect himself- Leonard seeks out contact way too many times.
And since it came up years ago regarding 40 times- I believe Darryl Green still holds the record @ 4.0 flat. Bo Jackson clocked a 4.1. If Leonard can match that 4.1, I might get mildly interested.
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fournette is expected to run a 4.45 - 4.55.
on a sidenote, lets say we went Garrett/Foster with our first two picks, if dalvin cook is sitting there in the 20s, I'd trade up back into the first round with our 2nd rounders.
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Per NFL.com these are the Top 3 draft needs of the teams with the first Ten picks in the Draft:
1. Browns: QB, DB, OL
2. 49ers: QB, OLB, OL
3. Bears: QB, DB, OL
4. Jags: OL, DT, Safety
5. Titans: CB, WR, TE
6. Jets: QB, OLB, CB
7. Chargers: OT, WR, QB
8. Panthers: OT, DE, WR
9. Bengals: Center, LB, DE
10. Bills: OT, WR, DB
#4 you can put qb in there as well as the Blake Bortles days are done.Per NFL.com these are the Top 3 draft needs of the teams with the first Ten picks in the Draft:
1. Browns: QB, DB, OL
2. 49ers: QB, OLB, OL
3. Bears: QB, DB, OL
4. Jags: OL, DT, Safety
5. Titans: CB, WR, TE
6. Jets: QB, OLB, CB
7. Chargers: OT, WR, QB
8. Panthers: OT, DE, WR
9. Bengals: Center, LB, DE
10. Bills: OT, WR, DB
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Okay, I feel you but if an undrafted Crowell can do that... tell me what you believe Fournette(arguably one of the top 3 most gifted athletes coming out this year) can do with a Franchise QB in Trubisky and an improved OL?
Crowell only passed 100 yards just 3 or 4 times last season. I love Crowell but defenses are not fearing Crowell. Defensive Coordinators don't lie awake at night gameplanning for Crowell. Crow is a good RB on a bad team. He's a great backup to Fournette on a better team.
Imagine an offense of Trubisky, Fournette, Pryor and Gordon with help and backup from Crowell and Coleman. Imagine a setup of Fournette lined up behind Crowell or vice versa. Sprinkle in a little Duuuuuke Johnson and we have ourselves a nice little AFCN Contender.
Okay, I feel you but if an undrafted Crowell can do that... tell me what you believe Fournette(arguably one of the top 3 most gifted athletes coming out this year) can do with a Franchise QB in Trubisky and an improved OL?
Crowell only passed 100 yards just 3 or 4 times last season. I love Crowell but defenses are not fearing Crowell. Defensive Coordinators don't lie awake at night gameplanning for Crowell. Crow is a good RB on a bad team. He's a great backup to Fournette on a better team.
Imagine an offense of Trubisky, Fournette, Pryor and Gordon with help and backup from Crowell and Coleman. Imagine a setup of Fournette lined up behind Crowell or vice versa. Sprinkle in a little Duuuuuke Johnson and we have ourselves a nice little AFCN Contender.
I can't converse with someone that keeps talking about Gordon. Hue has shut the door on that.
Fournette and Trub just cringed when they found out their biggest fan is a flake.
Zombo
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Drafting a RB in the first round is a death sentence for this front office so if you want to see them go, support the move.
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As much as I wish we were in a position to draft Fournette, we are not. If he falls to day 2 as Henry did, maybe, but not at 1 or 12. Our offense will be competitive as is, if we had even an average defense. It's a stretch saying we have 1 difference maker on D. Draft Garrett and Foster, Hooker or Adams.
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Okay, I feel you but if an undrafted Crowell can do that... tell me what you believe Fournette(arguably one of the top 3 most gifted athletes coming out this year) can do with a Franchise QB in Trubisky and an improved OL?
Crowell only passed 100 yards just 3 or 4 times last season. I love Crowell but defenses are not fearing Crowell. Defensive Coordinators don't lie awake at night gameplanning for Crowell. Crow is a good RB on a bad team. He's a great backup to Fournette on a better team.
Imagine an offense of Trubisky, Fournette, Pryor and Gordon with help and backup from Crowell and Coleman. Imagine a setup of Fournette lined up behind Crowell or vice versa. Sprinkle in a little Duuuuuke Johnson and we have ourselves a nice little AFCN Contender.
Okay, I feel you but if an undrafted Crowell can do that... tell me what you believe Fournette(arguably one of the top 3 most gifted athletes coming out this year) can do with a Franchise QB in Trubisky and an improved OL?
Crowell only passed 100 yards just 3 or 4 times last season. I love Crowell but defenses are not fearing Crowell. Defensive Coordinators don't lie awake at night gameplanning for Crowell. Crow is a good RB on a bad team. He's a great backup to Fournette on a better team.
Imagine an offense of Trubisky, Fournette, Pryor and Gordon with help and backup from Crowell and Coleman. Imagine a setup of Fournette lined up behind Crowell or vice versa. Sprinkle in a little Duuuuuke Johnson and we have ourselves a nice little AFCN Contender.
Fournette has a nice resume so I see why he impresses you. I don't think RB is nearly the bare cupboard we have at many other important areas so I'd prefer some sudden impact elsewhere.
FWIW, Crow was named Freshman of the Year by the Associated Press on December 5th of 2011 when he played in the SEC for Georgia. That doesn't exactly suck especially considering he was undrafted. We didn't have the best line especially with the injuries we had as well as the inability to scare opponents with our passing game inviting some unfavorable numbers/congestion in front of many of Crow's runs while he finished with a very respectable ypc of 4.8 or 4.9. When we had both starting Guards playing, his average was about 6.4 ypc for a stretch of games. I see him as the least of our worries.
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Okay, I feel you but if an undrafted Crowell can do that... tell me what you believe Fournette(arguably one of the top 3 most gifted athletes coming out this year) can do with a Franchise QB in Trubisky and an improved OL?
Crowell only passed 100 yards just 3 or 4 times last season. I love Crowell but defenses are not fearing Crowell. Defensive Coordinators don't lie awake at night gameplanning for Crowell. Crow is a good RB on a bad team. He's a great backup to Fournette on a better team.
Imagine an offense of Trubisky, Fournette, Pryor and Gordon with help and backup from Crowell and Coleman. Imagine a setup of Fournette lined up behind Crowell or vice versa. Sprinkle in a little Duuuuuke Johnson and we have ourselves a nice little AFCN Contender.
Okay, I feel you but if an undrafted Crowell can do that... tell me what you believe Fournette(arguably one of the top 3 most gifted athletes coming out this year) can do with a Franchise QB in Trubisky and an improved OL?
I can tell you what Fournette will do... sit in the 3rd Qtr when were behind by 17 points... just like Crow has.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
We aren't fucking drafting Fournette.
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If Crowell is so good... and let me reiterate this again how much I hate talking down about Crow to show you that we NEED an upgrade at RB. Crowell is GOOD, Duke Johnson is GOOD, Leonard Fournette is GREAT.
If Crowell was so good then we wouldn't need 6 runningbacks on the roster. If Duke was so great he wouldn't be calling to come out the game every other play because he's dinged up. Fournette isn't going to need replaced every other play like Crowell and Johnson or the handful of other players we have out there. Fournette is going to be a stable presence play in and out that helps the offense gain and keep their rhythm.
Here's a clip of something I read this morning that has some relevance...
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On the surface it seems like it would an easy decision for the Browns to decide they want to keep Crowell. He led the team in rushing this season with 952 yards and seven touchdowns, and was second in rushing average at 4.8 yards per carry, helping the Browns hit a 50-year high in team rushing average.
And he did all that while playing with a passing attack that no opposing defense feared and an offensive line that was in a continual state of flux due to injuries.
But, as is often the case, scratch just below the surface of Crowell’s numbers and they may not be as rosy as they first appear, as Pro Football Focus revealed in a very interesting Tweet:"47.5% of Crowell's rushing yards this season came on 16 carries" - per PFF Fantasy Football
Now you can look at that stat in one of two ways. It may be an indication of Crowell’s big-play ability, which is something that the Browns offense has lacked for a long time.
Or, it could be that this season was an aberration and the reality is that gaining almost half your season yardage total on just a handful of plays is absolutely unsustainable. If that is the case – and let’s be real here, it is – then Crowell will very likely return in 2017 as the same running back who entered this past season averaging just 3.9 yards per carry.-----------
Now, I'm one who doesn't see our Defense as bad as a lot of you do. It's our offense that needs upgrading!
Our Defense is kick-ass but they get their asses worn out because the Offense can't keep the ball! They can't convert third downs they can't even punch it in the endzone from 2 yards out on 1st and Goal. The Defense will have a goal line stand and the Offense can't even get out the shadow of the goalposts. Hell, even the special teams can't hit a fucking field goal to win the game when the Defense gets the ball back for them.
With Gregg Williams as Defensive Coordinator we will be a more aggressive team. We will tackle better, attack the QB better and we'll use our players more effectively. We have young players that need time to develop. Nassib, Ogbah and Orchard. We have Shelton and Desmond Bryant. Davis, Kirksey and probably Collins back. We are going to be a better Defense next year but it won't matter, they will wear out and give up points eventually and without an offense that can threaten to put up points and keep them fresh- we're going to lose.
Draft Trubisky and trade up for Fournette. Fix the OL in FA and the Draft. Draft Desmond King/Jourdan Lewis/Kevin King and Justin Evans to upgrade the secondary, give that front seven another second to get to the QB. Then we will be a better team. For all you that want Garrett- watch his teammate Hall on the opposite side of the line. He's a heck of a player as well and we can get him later in the draft.
I like Garrett. I like Allen. I like Hooker. I like Foster. I like Peppers.... I love Trubisky and Fournette.
We haven't had a true Franchise QB since Couch. We haven't had a runningback as good as Fournette, not since the rebirth. We can eliminate 8 mediocre players by drafting Trubisky and Fournette. You can't do that by drafting defense first.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
rb won't fix the major weaknesses of the Browns. get a grip on yourself, get counseling,
have a spiked cup of tea, take yoga...
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The Browns need a QB.
The Browns need a RB.
The Browns need a C.
The Browns need a FS.
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That's it. They have enough pieces on the roster to fix the OL right of Center. They have 3 pretty good CBs. They have a decent SS in Kindred. They have a young and promising front 7. They have 3-4 really good WRs. They have a big TE and a young TE still learning. They have good backup RBs. They have a decent backup QB.
The Biggest NEEDS on the Browns Roster are as follows:
#1 Greatest NEED: Quarterback... and it's been our biggest need for a long time. Don't give me the crap that it's all because of Cleveland ruining QBs. Those guys sucked and that is that. Sometimes they are just backups, sometimes they are just busts, but one thing is for certain- They weren't Franchise QBs.
#2 Most dire need for the Browns: Center. Our line struggled last season under a turbulent Center position. We need to fix this but burning an early first round pick on a center not named Alex Mack would be foolish.... I mean, even when it WAS Alex Mack we didn't exactly win a lot of games because of it. I'm okay with picking up a player like Elflein or Pocic in the second round if available. I'm also okay with maybe waiting a little longer on Fuller or Orlowsky? But this position can be addressed without a first rounder.
#3- The Free Safety position in Cleveland has been a void for a long time. Who was the last really good one we had?... don't tell me Gipson. Gipson wasn't even that good. We do need a General Free Safety out there defending our backside. I would love Hooker to be the guy but there maybe another option. Desmond King. Or maybe we can fix the SS spot first by taking a shot at Justin Evans. Both players would lock down a S spot.
#4- RB. Despite all the love for Crowell. Crowell isn't even as good as Richardson was for us his rookie year. Crowell is a slightly above average back and that's all he is going to be. He's not keeping defensive players up at night because of his RB prowess. However, Cleveland could strike a telling blow by landing a monster RB.
This is how you fix the Browns. Develop the talent we already have and get a few offensive cornerstones in the draft.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
The Browns need a QB.
The Browns need a RB.
The Browns need a C.
The Browns need a FS.
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That's it. They have enough pieces on the roster to fix the OL right of Center. They have 3 pretty good CBs. They have a decent SS in Kindred. They have a young and promising front 7. They have 3-4 really good WRs. They have a big TE and a young TE still learning. They have good backup RBs. They have a decent backup QB.
The Biggest NEEDS on the Browns Roster are as follows:
#1 Greatest NEED: Quarterback... and it's been our biggest need for a long time. Don't give me the crap that it's all because of Cleveland ruining QBs. Those guys sucked and that is that. Sometimes they are just backups, sometimes they are just busts, but one thing is for certain- They weren't Franchise QBs.
#2 Most dire need for the Browns: Center. Our line struggled last season under a turbulent Center position. We need to fix this but burning an early first round pick on a center not named Alex Mack would be foolish.... I mean, even when it WAS Alex Mack we didn't exactly win a lot of games because of it. I'm okay with picking up a player like Elflein or Pocic in the second round if available. I'm also okay with maybe waiting a little longer on Fuller or Orlowsky? But this position can be addressed without a first rounder.
#3- The Free Safety position in Cleveland has been a void for a long time. Who was the last really good one we had?... don't tell me Gipson. Gipson wasn't even that good. We do need a General Free Safety out there defending our backside. I would love Hooker to be the guy but there maybe another option. Desmond King. Or maybe we can fix the SS spot first by taking a shot at Justin Evans. Both players would lock down a S spot.
#4- RB. Despite all the love for Crowell. Crowell isn't even as good as Richardson was for us his rookie year. Crowell is a slightly above average back and that's all he is going to be. He's not keeping defensive players up at night because of his RB prowess. However, Cleveland could strike a telling blow by landing a monster RB.
This is how you fix the Browns. Develop the talent we already have and get a few offensive cornerstones in the draft.
The Browns need a QB.
The Browns need a RB.
The Browns need a C.
The Browns need a FS........
That's it. They have enough pieces on the roster to fix the OL right of Center. They have 3 pretty good CBs. They have a decent SS in Kindred. They have a young and promising front 7. They have 3-4 really good WRs. They have a big TE and a young TE still learning. They have good backup RBs. They have a decent backup QB.
The Biggest NEEDS on the Browns Roster are as follows:
#1 Greatest NEED: Quarterback... and it's been our biggest need for a long time. Don't give me the crap that it's all because of Cleveland ruining QBs. Those guys sucked and that is that. Sometimes they are just backups, sometimes they are just busts, but one thing is for certain- They weren't Franchise QBs.
#2 Most dire need for the Browns: Center. Our line struggled last season under a turbulent Center position. We need to fix this but burning an early first round pick on a center not named Alex Mack would be foolish.... I mean, even when it WAS Alex Mack we didn't exactly win a lot of games because of it. I'm okay with picking up a player like Elflein or Pocic in the second round if available. I'm also okay with maybe waiting a little longer on Fuller or Orlowsky? But this position can be addressed without a first rounder.
#4- RB. Despite all the love for Crowell. Crowell isn't even as good as Richardson was for us his rookie year. Crowell is a slightly above average back and that's all he is going to be. He's not keeping defensive players up at night because of his RB prowess. However, Cleveland could strike a telling blow by landing a monster RB.This is how you fix the Browns. Develop the talent we already have and get a few offensive cornerstones in the draft.
Nope- if you look at the stats objectively, the Browns had the #31 ranked defense in the NFL. #31 in sacks. The obvious glaring need for the Browns is a defender that can get to the qb. If we don't go qb @ #1 overall- it's going to be Garrett- forgone conclusion. Fournette even though he's a likely 1,000 yard rusher- well so can Crow be behind an improved o-line.
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If Crowell is so good... and let me reiterate this again how much I hate talking down about Crow to show you that we NEED an upgrade at RB. Crowell is GOOD, Duke Johnson is GOOD, Leonard Fournette is GREAT.
If Crowell was so good then we wouldn't need 6 runningbacks on the roster. If Duke was so great he wouldn't be calling to come out the game every other play because he's dinged up. Fournette isn't going to need replaced every other play like Crowell and Johnson or the handful of other players we have out there. Fournette is going to be a stable presence play in and out that helps the offense gain and keep their rhythm.
Here's a clip of something I read this morning that has some relevance...
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On the surface it seems like it would an easy decision for the Browns to decide they want to keep Crowell. He led the team in rushing this season with 952 yards and seven touchdowns, and was second in rushing average at 4.8 yards per carry, helping the Browns hit a 50-year high in team rushing average.
And he did all that while playing with a passing attack that no opposing defense feared and an offensive line that was in a continual state of flux due to injuries.
But, as is often the case, scratch just below the surface of Crowell’s numbers and they may not be as rosy as they first appear, as Pro Football Focus revealed in a very interesting Tweet:"47.5% of Crowell's rushing yards this season came on 16 carries" - per PFF Fantasy Football
Now you can look at that stat in one of two ways. It may be an indication of Crowell’s big-play ability, which is something that the Browns offense has lacked for a long time.
Or, it could be that this season was an aberration and the reality is that gaining almost half your season yardage total on just a handful of plays is absolutely unsustainable. If that is the case – and let’s be real here, it is – then Crowell will very likely return in 2017 as the same running back who entered this past season averaging just 3.9 yards per carry.-----------
Now, I'm one who doesn't see our Defense as bad as a lot of you do. It's our offense that needs upgrading!
Our Defense is kick-ass but they get their asses worn out because the Offense can't keep the ball! They can't convert third downs they can't even punch it in the endzone from 2 yards out on 1st and Goal. The Defense will have a goal line stand and the Offense can't even get out the shadow of the goalposts. Hell, even the special teams can't hit a fucking field goal to win the game when the Defense gets the ball back for them.
With Gregg Williams as Defensive Coordinator we will be a more aggressive team. We will tackle better, attack the QB better and we'll use our players more effectively. We have young players that need time to develop. Nassib, Ogbah and Orchard. We have Shelton and Desmond Bryant. Davis, Kirksey and probably Collins back. We are going to be a better Defense next year but it won't matter, they will wear out and give up points eventually and without an offense that can threaten to put up points and keep them fresh- we're going to lose.
Draft Trubisky and trade up for Fournette. Fix the OL in FA and the Draft. Draft Desmond King/Jourdan Lewis/Kevin King and Justin Evans to upgrade the secondary, give that front seven another second to get to the QB. Then we will be a better team. For all you that want Garrett- watch his teammate Hall on the opposite side of the line. He's a heck of a player as well and we can get him later in the draft.
I like Garrett. I like Allen. I like Hooker. I like Foster. I like Peppers.... I love Trubisky and Fournette.
We haven't had a true Franchise QB since Couch. We haven't had a runningback as good as Fournette, not since the rebirth. We can eliminate 8 mediocre players by drafting Trubisky and Fournette. You can't do that by drafting defense first.
If Crowell is so good... and let me reiterate this again how much I hate talking down about Crow to show you that we NEED an upgrade at RB. Crowell is GOOD, Duke Johnson is GOOD, Leonard Fournette is GREAT.
If Crowell was so good then we wouldn't need 6 runningbacks on the roster. If Duke was so great he wouldn't be calling to come out the game every other play because he's dinged up. Fournette isn't going to need replaced every other play like Crowell and Johnson or the handful of other players we have out there. Fournette is going to be a stable presence play in and out that helps the offense gain and keep their rhythm.
Hey what about that RB we drafted a few years ago out of Alabama? He did well for one year, then he bounced around a bit...
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Lol...I truely forgot how entertaining PoG was...
No clue about player eval, but damn good entertainment nonetheless.
Trying to remember if he's ever got one right...
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The Browns need a QB.
The Browns need a RB.
The Browns need a C.
The Browns need a FS.
.......
That's it. They have enough pieces on the roster to fix the OL right of Center. They have 3 pretty good CBs. They have a decent SS in Kindred. They have a young and promising front 7. They have 3-4 really good WRs. They have a big TE and a young TE still learning. They have good backup RBs. They have a decent backup QB.
The Biggest NEEDS on the Browns Roster are as follows:
#1 Greatest NEED: Quarterback... and it's been our biggest need for a long time. Don't give me the crap that it's all because of Cleveland ruining QBs. Those guys sucked and that is that. Sometimes they are just backups, sometimes they are just busts, but one thing is for certain- They weren't Franchise QBs.
#2 Most dire need for the Browns: Center. Our line struggled last season under a turbulent Center position. We need to fix this but burning an early first round pick on a center not named Alex Mack would be foolish.... I mean, even when it WAS Alex Mack we didn't exactly win a lot of games because of it. I'm okay with picking up a player like Elflein or Pocic in the second round if available. I'm also okay with maybe waiting a little longer on Fuller or Orlowsky? But this position can be addressed without a first rounder.
#3- The Free Safety position in Cleveland has been a void for a long time. Who was the last really good one we had?... don't tell me Gipson. Gipson wasn't even that good. We do need a General Free Safety out there defending our backside. I would love Hooker to be the guy but there maybe another option. Desmond King. Or maybe we can fix the SS spot first by taking a shot at Justin Evans. Both players would lock down a S spot.
#4- RB. Despite all the love for Crowell. Crowell isn't even as good as Richardson was for us his rookie year. Crowell is a slightly above average back and that's all he is going to be. He's not keeping defensive players up at night because of his RB prowess. However, Cleveland could strike a telling blow by landing a monster RB.
This is how you fix the Browns. Develop the talent we already have and get a few offensive cornerstones in the draft.
The Browns need a QB.
The Browns need a RB.
The Browns need a C.
The Browns need a FS.
... and an edge rusher...
... and a thumping MLB...
... and a shutdown corner...
I note that you list a RB at #2 and Center at #3. You need to work on your "cause and effect" batting order.
And don't get me started on a "need-based" draft.
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