Can This Draft Start like our 1978 Draft?
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Gotta love Barnidge, but he was drafted in 08, and has gotten clobbered at times.
If he is out of the lineup due to injury, the Browns offense is toast. Howard would
lengthen Barnidge's career. He fits the Browns' profile exactly as far as being
qualified on all criteria. It's a serious, interesting thought. Not a desperate need...
but I can see it.
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i remember Z & I having a conversation in the Tavern during a preseason game at GB last season. Not only the Kwan Williams benching himself was a strange ordeal. But we were questioning. Why was Nate Orchard still out there playing with 3rd & 4th's on depth chart kids late in game? Orch was not a Sashi pick, but a red flag went up saying things may not have been going well in Nate's evaluation either before injury? Feeling Better with a Gregg Williams in the house
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@ghoolie said:
Jim Brown wasn't just a bad blocker, he was lazy at it, he downright refused to do it. Perhaps Cleveland fucked up drafting him?
Yeah, blocking responsibilities of TEs and RBs is pretty much the same.
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@ghoolie said:
Jim Brown wasn't just a bad blocker, he was lazy at it, he downright refused to do it. Perhaps Cleveland fucked up drafting him?
No doubt they did. LOL.
I have said for years that if you have a play maker, screw the blocking factor. That is pretty much like saying you can't draft Joe Thomas because he can't run or catch the ball.
I am happy as hell he have Joe Thomas. I don't care if he can catch or run. We drafted him to block.
I know you don't totally value that, but it is necessary. The point being that if you are looking for a back or te, fuck the blocking
factor. Let the blockers you signed do that. Let the runners and receivers be judged on how well they run and catch.
This isn't hard. Only a Mongolian Idiot might do worse than we have, and that person has a legit excuse.
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@ghoolie said:
Jim Brown wasn't just a bad blocker, he was lazy at it, he downright refused to do it. Perhaps Cleveland fucked up drafting him?
No doubt they did. LOL.
I have said for years that if you have a play maker, screw the blocking factor. That is pretty much like saying you can't draft Joe Thomas because he can't run or catch the ball.
I am happy as hell he have Joe Thomas. I don't care if he can catch or run. We drafted him to block.
I know you don't totally value that, but it is necessary. The point being that if you are looking for a back or te, fuck the blocking
factor. Let the blockers you signed do that. Let the runners and receivers be judged on how well they run and catch.
This isn't hard. Only a Mongolian Idiot might do worse than we have, and that person has a legit excuse.
JB could block, when he wanted to...
I am happy as hell he have Joe Thomas. I don't care if he can catch or run. We drafted him to block.
Got me curious so I checked and it does not appear that Joe has a single TD... be it by fumble recovery or OT eligible.
That seems wrong. He needs at least one before he hangs it up.
The winning SB TD in his last game would be a nice parting gift.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Is DeValve supposed to be a TE or WR for us?
We're bad.
We need the biggest, fastest and/or strongest guy available when it's our turn to pick. Even if it's a LT....cos he can play RT until it's his turn at LT.
That's how Chuck Noll turned around the steelers after he took over. After he was hired he gathered the players and told them that he watched their film and knew why the steelers kept losing...and that it was because of them (the players). He said, Ya can't run fast or jump high, you're not shifty or powerful, and quite frankly I'm going to have to replace a whole lot of you.
That's pretty much where we're at. Whoever is the biggest, fastest sumbitch available when it's our turn to pick MOST probably fits a need for us.
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JB could block, when he wanted to...
I am happy as hell he have Joe Thomas. I don't care if he can catch or run. We drafted him to block.
Got me curious so I checked and it does not appear that Joe has a single TD... be it by fumble recovery or OT eligible.
That seems wrong. He needs at least one before he hangs it up.
The winning SB TD in his last game would be a nice parting gift.
JB could block, when he wanted to...
Got me curious so I checked and it does not appear that Joe has a single TD... be it by fumble recovery or OT eligible.
That seems wrong. He needs at least one before he hangs it up.
The winning SB TD in his last game would be a nice parting gift.
Aw, Ghoolie is going to hate this but I'm easily entertained. Watched the Pro Bowl, and with 10 out of 10 Joe is in pretty exclusive company. ESPN heaped some praise on him. Hey Tom, you can cut the crap now- every one of the 10\10 club is in the HOF. Thomas can't help it if the rest of the team sucks.
"Just four other players in NFL history — Merlin Olsen, Mel Renfro, Barry Sanders and Lawrence Taylor — were named to the Pro Bowl in at least the first 10 seasons of their careers. All of those players are Hall of Famers; only Olsen, with 14, went over 10."
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JB could block, when he wanted to...
Got me curious so I checked and it does not appear that Joe has a single TD... be it by fumble recovery or OT eligible.
That seems wrong. He needs at least one before he hangs it up.
The winning SB TD in his last game would be a nice parting gift.
Aw, Ghoolie is going to hate this but I'm easily entertained. Watched the Pro Bowl, and with 10 out of 10 Joe is in pretty exclusive company. ESPN heaped some praise on him. Hey Tom, you can cut the crap now- every one of the 10\10 club is in the HOF. Thomas can't help it if the rest of the team sucks.
"Just four other players in NFL history — Merlin Olsen, Mel Renfro, Barry Sanders and Lawrence Taylor — were named to the Pro Bowl in at least the first 10 seasons of their careers. All of those players are Hall of Famers; only Olsen, with 14, went over 10."
Aw, Ghoolie is going to hate this but I'm easily entertained. Watched the Pro Bowl, and with 10 out of 10 Joe is in pretty exclusive company. ESPN heaped some praise on him. Hey Tom, you can cut the crap now- every one of the 10\10 club is in the HOF. Thomas can't help it if the rest of the team sucks.
"Just four other players in NFL history — Merlin Olsen, Mel Renfro, Barry Sanders and Lawrence Taylor — were named to the Pro Bowl in at least the first 10 seasons of their careers. All of those players are Hall of Famers; only Olsen, with 14, went over 10."
When you say Tom - I'm guessing you mean Ghoolie. I've always been a huge Joe Thomas fan.
One of these days people will figure out Ghoolie isn't here to talk football (ie; wasting time trying to convince him a 10 time Pro Bowl player doesn't suck).
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Aw, Ghoolie is going to hate this but I'm easily entertained. Watched the Pro Bowl, and with 10 out of 10 Joe is in pretty exclusive company. ESPN heaped some praise on him. Hey Tom, you can cut the crap now- every one of the 10\10 club is in the HOF. Thomas can't help it if the rest of the team sucks.
"Just four other players in NFL history — Merlin Olsen, Mel Renfro, Barry Sanders and Lawrence Taylor — were named to the Pro Bowl in at least the first 10 seasons of their careers. All of those players are Hall of Famers; only Olsen, with 14, went over 10."
When you say Tom - I'm guessing you mean Ghoolie. I've always been a huge Joe Thomas fan.
One of these days people will figure out Ghoolie isn't here to talk football (ie; wasting time trying to convince him a 10 time Pro Bowl player doesn't suck).
When you say Tom - I'm guessing you mean Ghoolie. I've always been a huge Joe Thomas fan.
One of these days people will figure out Ghoolie isn't here to talk football (ie; wasting time trying to convince him a 10 time Pro Bowl player doesn't suck).
Of course I meant the other Tom.
Joe is probably a lock first ballot HOFer when he hangs 'em up. -
When you say Tom - I'm guessing you mean Ghoolie. I've always been a huge Joe Thomas fan.
One of these days people will figure out Ghoolie isn't here to talk football (ie; wasting time trying to convince him a 10 time Pro Bowl player doesn't suck).
Of course I meant the other Tom.
Joe is probably a lock first ballot HOFer when he hangs 'em up. Of course I meant the other Tom.
Joe is probably a lock first ballot HOFer when he hangs 'em up. You mean the other, other Tom?
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You mean the other, other Tom?
The Ghoolie Tom. Sheeze, we have the Tom-Tom club.
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Our new scout has found just the player we are looking for-no more failed picks.
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Winter is getting long as the season is but a distant memory if we are now chatting about the next TE for the Cleveland Browns
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O.J. Howard always seems to save his best work for the post season. Here's his first matchup with Clemson as a junior the night he became a National Champion. A couple TDs and some nice seal blocks (like the one on Henry's first TD run). He had well over 100 yards receiving in that game. Barnidge will be 32 this year; and I think this kid will be a great target at 6'6". He also played well in the Senior Bowl. There's a lot of room for improvement especially in staying with his blocks longer but I think this guy has the frame to be a dual purpose TE like a Jason Witten with better gears. I'd hate to see Baltimore or Pittsburgh draft him. The last time we drafted a guy in round 1 to play TE here from Alabama - we frequented post seasons throughout his Hall of Fame career. We could do a lot worse - and have repeatedly.
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Martellus Bennett is still a FA.
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Barn is a decent receiving TE with a knack for finding holes in a zone and above average hands. But he is a liability as a blocker and has issues vs. competent man coverage.
What troubles me more is his YAC... or lack of it. I looked before this season's start at his YAC and it was not good. I grade in can't remember him doing anything this year to improve that.
YAC is an area where I think Devalve can improve the TE position, but he's not a blocker either
I see OJH as a significant upgrade in those two areas, blocking and YAC, without diminishing the positive aspects of the position. In short, I see him as one of the best, most well-rounded TEs to enter the league in years.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Barn is a decent receiving TE with a knack for finding holes in a zone and above average hands. But he is a liability as a blocker and has issues vs. competent man coverage.
What troubles me more is his YAC... or lack of it. I looked before this season's start at his YAC and it was not good. I grade in can't remember him doing anything this year to improve that.
YAC is an area where I think Devalve can improve the TE position, but he's not a blocker either
I see OJH as a significant upgrade in those two areas, blocking and YAC, without diminishing the positive aspects of the position. In short, I see him as one of the best, most well-rounded TEs to enter the league in years.
Barn is a decent receiving TE with a knack for finding holes in a zone and above average hands. But he is a liability as a blocker and has issues vs. competent man coverage.
What troubles me more is his YAC... or lack of it. I looked before this season's start at his YAC and it was not good. I grade in can't remember him doing anything this year to improve that.
YAC is an area where I think Devalve can improve the TE position, but he's not a blocker either
I see OJH as a significant upgrade in those two areas, blocking and YAC, without diminishing the positive aspects of the position. In short, I see him as one of the best, most well-rounded TEs to enter the league in years.
Well articulated! I was sort of surprised at how well Howard consistently hustled into position to be an effective blocker (seeing plenty of room for growth though). I hope people watch that whole highlight of the Clemson game I linked up in my previous post. He was the game changer in that passing game the last time Bama was crowned a National Champion. I'll guarantee a guy like Ozzie Newsome that played at Alabama will be all over this kid. I keep reminding myself that if you take this guy away from a true freshman QB and put him in an NFL offense that leans on a TE - he can be a significant.
As for Barnidge, he turns 32 in September and I posted the huge difference between his 2015 and 2016 stats (understanding part of that wasn't all his fault). When I watched some of his highlights, he almost looked like he was fighting some pain more than defenders. He looked like he was waddling side to side. I remembered hearing more about his blocking skills when he arrived than what he had done receiving so if those are diminishing too - the timing of an O.J.Howard couldn't be any better. It's not that I don't like DeValve. In fact, I think I'd prefer to see him in the slot in the near future. My concern with DeValve is he seems too injury prone to count on. I like his talent though...
This probably won't mean a thing to a lot of us outside of me; but after the Senior Bowl I saw 2 guys wearing a Cleveland Browns baseball cap on their domes. They were O.J. Howard and Davis Webb.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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