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Palin was also her own enemy
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Guys guys we're being so unfair. Cal just wants to turn over a new leaf. 8 years of incessant bullshitting has taken its toll. He just wants everyone to know his bullshit was our fault cause we wouldnt listen to him.
Do i have that about right cal?
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Cal bullshitted and trolled and attacked the president for the last 8 years, but only because he remember liberals totally doing the same exact thing to Bush. But now we just need to stop and respect president Trump... I mean come on.
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One thing I like about Trump which bothered me about Bush. Trump fights back every time. Bush rarely fought back which was a primary reason his approval ratings were so low when he left office. When you don't fight back you have basically accepted the charges leveled against you.
One thing I like about Trump which bothered me about Bush. Trump fights back every time. Bush rarely fought back which was a primary reason his approval ratings were so low when he left office. When you don't fight back you have basically accepted the charges leveled against you.
Agree, but sadly, Trump is going to have to battle this media for at least 4 years. He brought it on himself when he went after Megan Kelly. The media will never let that go.
Ultimately, we Americans won't be better off with this feud going on.
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One thing I like about Trump which bothered me about Bush. Trump fights back every time. Bush rarely fought back which was a primary reason his approval ratings were so low when he left office. When you don't fight back you have basically accepted the charges leveled against you.
Agree, but sadly, Trump is going to have to battle this media for at least 4 years. He brought it on himself when he went after Megan Kelly. The media will never let that go.
Ultimately, we Americans won't be better off with this feud going on.
Agree, but sadly, Trump is going to have to battle this media for at least 4 years. He brought it on himself when he went after Megan Kelly. The media will never let that go.
Ultimately, we Americans won't be better off with this feud going on.
So, when obaMao talked about "lipstick on a pig" about Palin, why didn't HE "bring it on
to himself" then? The media never gave him crap about it. cept Fox news...
They happily gave him a pass. for eight years.
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As for that Osiris: I personally don't hate Muslims. I don't hate Christians either. But to be honest I have an unfavorable opinion of both religions. Judaism too. I'm cool with Hindus and buddhists. I would say I have a slightly more unfavorable opinion of Islam because of their proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty. Christians are also huge assholes but I don't know the last time they bombed a plane full of people. A lot of Muslim apologists try to pass the Oklahoma city bombings off as Christian terrorism but there's no evidence McVeigh was religiously motivated.
As for that Osiris: I personally don't hate Muslims. I don't hate Christians either. But to be honest I have an unfavorable opinion of both religions. Judaism too. I'm cool with Hindus and buddhists. I would say I have a slightly more unfavorable opinion of Islam because of their proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty. Christians are also huge assholes but I don't know the last time they bombed a plane full of people. A lot of Muslim apologists try to pass the Oklahoma city bombings off as Christian terrorism but there's no evidence McVeigh was religiously motivated.
I understand your position. I have an atheist friend that I am pretty close with and honestly I have more in common with him than any extremist who calls himself Muslim because we both believe in human decency and we have similar values in terms of how people should be treated. Whether you arrive at those values by being a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, atheist... I couldn't care less.
I'm not blind, I see the terrorist attacks same as everyone else. Your choice of words is very important: "proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty." That last part especially is key. In the act of trying to pass it off as religious duty, we empower them if we believe that they are correct, and that blowing up shit REALLY is their religious duty. When I say they are wrong, that it is not their religious duty, and not only that, but they are performing a sin in the eyes of the religion, I say that from a position that I can substantiate from religious sources.
I don't think McVeigh was motivated by religion. I think he was motivated by anti-government feelings. If Muslims want to point out that Christians have committed a lot of atrocities in history, there is plenty of evidence for that. I used to be into that, but now I see it as counterproductive. This 'battle' between religions is stupid. Conflict all over the world is being caused by people who have extreme ideologies of various types and a lack of tolerance. ISIS, KKK, Neo-Nazi and White Supremacy movements, Christian Right, PKK, 'Saffron terrorism', etc, they are all cut from the same cloth: You can only live if you are like us.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
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Cal always leaves out crucial context
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As for that Osiris: I personally don't hate Muslims. I don't hate Christians either. But to be honest I have an unfavorable opinion of both religions. Judaism too. I'm cool with Hindus and buddhists. I would say I have a slightly more unfavorable opinion of Islam because of their proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty. Christians are also huge assholes but I don't know the last time they bombed a plane full of people. A lot of Muslim apologists try to pass the Oklahoma city bombings off as Christian terrorism but there's no evidence McVeigh was religiously motivated.
I understand your position. I have an atheist friend that I am pretty close with and honestly I have more in common with him than any extremist who calls himself Muslim because we both believe in human decency and we have similar values in terms of how people should be treated. Whether you arrive at those values by being a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, atheist... I couldn't care less.
I'm not blind, I see the terrorist attacks same as everyone else. Your choice of words is very important: "proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty." That last part especially is key. In the act of trying to pass it off as religious duty, we empower them if we believe that they are correct, and that blowing up shit REALLY is their religious duty. When I say they are wrong, that it is not their religious duty, and not only that, but they are performing a sin in the eyes of the religion, I say that from a position that I can substantiate from religious sources.
I don't think McVeigh was motivated by religion. I think he was motivated by anti-government feelings. If Muslims want to point out that Christians have committed a lot of atrocities in history, there is plenty of evidence for that. I used to be into that, but now I see it as counterproductive. This 'battle' between religions is stupid. Conflict all over the world is being caused by people who have extreme ideologies of various types and a lack of tolerance. ISIS, KKK, Neo-Nazi and White Supremacy movements, Christian Right, PKK, 'Saffron terrorism', etc, they are all cut from the same cloth: You can only live if you are like us.
I'll try to explain why I mistrust Islam. Please don't view this as an attack because I'm able to diffetentiate individuals from institutions. Unlike some of the people here I've bothered to read up on Islam to some degree because I rather like history and so I like to know the context of historic periods such as the Abbasid and umayyed caliphates and the crusades. So I know that Islam allows for tolerance but it's largely up to whoever is in charge interpreting the Quran and Hadith. There's also dhimmitude and jizya. Islam worries me because over the various empires there's a constant: it's always ISLAMIC rule they're after. When Napoleon conquered most of Europe he didn't do it for the glory of Christ or to advance Christianity he did it for the oldest reasons: power, to be king. Hitler had his own nefarious motivations but religion was not one of them. Interestingly Hitler was said to have admired the aggressiveness of Islam, the way it rewarded war and was spread at the point of the sword and was said to have felt it would suit the German temperament.I understand your position. I have an atheist friend that I am pretty close with and honestly I have more in common with him than any extremist who calls himself Muslim because we both believe in human decency and we have similar values in terms of how people should be treated. Whether you arrive at those values by being a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, atheist... I couldn't care less.
I'm not blind, I see the terrorist attacks same as everyone else. Your choice of words is very important: "proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty." That last part especially is key. In the act of trying to pass it off as religious duty, we empower them if we believe that they are correct, and that blowing up shit REALLY is their religious duty. When I say they are wrong, that it is not their religious duty, and not only that, but they are performing a sin in the eyes of the religion, I say that from a position that I can substantiate from religious sources.
I don't think McVeigh was motivated by religion. I think he was motivated by anti-government feelings. If Muslims want to point out that Christians have committed a lot of atrocities in history, there is plenty of evidence for that. I used to be into that, but now I see it as counterproductive. This 'battle' between religions is stupid. Conflict all over the world is being caused by people who have extreme ideologies of various types and a lack of tolerance. ISIS, KKK, Neo-Nazi and White Supremacy movements, Christian Right, PKK, 'Saffron terrorism', etc, they are all cut from the same cloth: You can only live if you are like us.
So though this is long and rambling I hope it gives some insight as to why I take a din view of Islam and why I distrust it. I dislike it for the reasons Hitler admired it. Where Islam rules it is the enemy of freedom and human rights. I can't accept so oppressive a doctrine that it literally means "submission". I see that some Muslims are trying to modernize the religion to make it compatible with 21st century values and I support that but there's a stumbling block: the queran and Hadith are to be taken literally, as the literal word of God, and unfortunately they are rooted firmly in 7th century values with no way to update them for the modern era without rebuking the literal word of God. Therefore ISIS are not only Muslims - they are the purest Muslims living by the literal word of God.
I've no issue with modernized Muslims in America as long as America remains secular and American values and law are always always always placed before Islamic considerations like Sharia and the Constitution always takes precedence over the 'word of god' whether it be the gospel or the Quran.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I'll try to explain why I mistrust Islam. Please don't view this as an attack because I'm able to diffetentiate individuals from institutions. Unlike some of the people here I've bothered to read up on Islam to some degree because I rather like history and so I like to know the context of historic periods such as the Abbasid and umayyed caliphates and the crusades. So I know that Islam allows for tolerance but it's largely up to whoever is in charge interpreting the Quran and Hadith. There's also dhimmitude and jizya. Islam worries me because over the various empires there's a constant: it's always ISLAMIC rule they're after. When Napoleon conquered most of Europe he didn't do it for the glory of Christ or to advance Christianity he did it for the oldest reasons: power, to be king. Hitler had his own nefarious motivations but religion was not one of them. Interestingly Hitler was said to have admired the aggressiveness of Islam, the way it rewarded war and was spread at the point of the sword and was said to have felt it would suit the German temperament.I understand your position. I have an atheist friend that I am pretty close with and honestly I have more in common with him than any extremist who calls himself Muslim because we both believe in human decency and we have similar values in terms of how people should be treated. Whether you arrive at those values by being a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, atheist... I couldn't care less.
I'm not blind, I see the terrorist attacks same as everyone else. Your choice of words is very important: "proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty." That last part especially is key. In the act of trying to pass it off as religious duty, we empower them if we believe that they are correct, and that blowing up shit REALLY is their religious duty. When I say they are wrong, that it is not their religious duty, and not only that, but they are performing a sin in the eyes of the religion, I say that from a position that I can substantiate from religious sources.
I don't think McVeigh was motivated by religion. I think he was motivated by anti-government feelings. If Muslims want to point out that Christians have committed a lot of atrocities in history, there is plenty of evidence for that. I used to be into that, but now I see it as counterproductive. This 'battle' between religions is stupid. Conflict all over the world is being caused by people who have extreme ideologies of various types and a lack of tolerance. ISIS, KKK, Neo-Nazi and White Supremacy movements, Christian Right, PKK, 'Saffron terrorism', etc, they are all cut from the same cloth: You can only live if you are like us.
So though this is long and rambling I hope it gives some insight as to why I take a din view of Islam and why I distrust it. I dislike it for the reasons Hitler admired it. Where Islam rules it is the enemy of freedom and human rights. I can't accept so oppressive a doctrine that it literally means "submission". I see that some Muslims are trying to modernize the religion to make it compatible with 21st century values and I support that but there's a stumbling block: the queran and Hadith are to be taken literally, as the literal word of God, and unfortunately they are rooted firmly in 7th century values with no way to update them for the modern era without rebuking the literal word of God. Therefore ISIS are not only Muslims - they are the purest Muslims living by the literal word of God.
I've no issue with modernized Muslims in America as long as America remains secular and American values and law are always always always placed before Islamic considerations like Sharia and the Constitution always takes precedence over the 'word of god' whether it be the gospel or the Quran.
I'll try to explain why I mistrust Islam. Please don't view this as an attack because I'm able to diffetentiate individuals from institutions. Unlike some of the people here I've bothered to read up on Islam to some degree because I rather like history and so I like to know the context of historic periods such as the Abbasid and umayyed caliphates and the crusades. So I know that Islam allows for tolerance but it's largely up to whoever is in charge interpreting the Quran and Hadith. There's also dhimmitude and jizya. Islam worries me because over the various empires there's a constant: it's always ISLAMIC rule they're after. When Napoleon conquered most of Europe he didn't do it for the glory of Christ or to advance Christianity he did it for the oldest reasons: power, to be king. Hitler had his own nefarious motivations but religion was not one of them. Interestingly Hitler was said to have admired the aggressiveness of Islam, the way it rewarded war and was spread at the point of the sword and was said to have felt it would suit the German temperament.
So though this is long and rambling I hope it gives some insight as to why I take a din view of Islam and why I distrust it. I dislike it for the reasons Hitler admired it. Where Islam rules it is the enemy of freedom and human rights. I can't accept so oppressive a doctrine that it literally means "submission". I see that some Muslims are trying to modernize the religion to make it compatible with 21st century values and I support that but there's a stumbling block: the queran and Hadith are to be taken literally, as the literal word of God, and unfortunately they are rooted firmly in 7th century values with no way to update them for the modern era without rebuking the literal word of God. Therefore ISIS are not only Muslims - they are the purest Muslims living by the literal word of God.
I've no issue with modernized Muslims in America as long as America remains secular and American values and law are always always always placed before Islamic considerations like Sharia and the Constitution always takes precedence over the 'word of god' whether it be the gospel or the Quran.
Spoken like a true Air Farce who never fought in combat.
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What, like someone with a modicum of intelligence and not an emotional hate-ape? That's OK with me. You do whatever it is you do and I'll worry about me.
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http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
To honest, it has to be really offensive for American Muslims who don't believe
like some do.
Unfortunately, per this poll, 51% of American Muslims support sharia law.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
"According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).
More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts."
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To be fair I'm much more (and I do mean much more) worried about Mexico than Muslims. The shit Mexicans do with complete abandon make ISIS look like pretty reasonable guys. Complete disregard for humanity down there and they can just stroll over the border any time they want. I won't regale you with the filthy details but if you were inclined you could easily find the most violent, horrific, disgusting examples of humanity on certain sites and they're all Mexicans. If liberals were forced to watch this stuff for a few minutes they might revise their opinion of Trump's wall plan.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
To honest, it has to be really offensive for American Muslims who don't believe
like some do.
Unfortunately, per this poll, 51% of American Muslims support sharia law.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
"According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).
More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts."
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
To honest, it has to be really offensive for American Muslims who don't believe
like some do.
Unfortunately, per this poll, 51% of American Muslims support sharia law.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
"According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).
More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts."
and that poll was conducted by.....
The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C.-based national security think tank whose activities are focused on exposing and researching perceived jihadist threats to the United States. The Center has been widely accused of engaging in conspiracy theorizing by a range of individuals, media outlets and organizations. They have been described as "not very highly respected"[1] by BBC News and "disreputable" by Salon. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the CSP as a "conspiracy-oriented mouthpiece" in 2016.[2] It has faced strong criticism from people across the political spectrum, but has also had its reports cited by political figures such as Donald Trump and Michele Bachmann.[3][4]
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I'll accept the BBC, but salon and the southern poverty law center???
that makes the poll far more legit.
There are other aspects to the conclusion:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/poll-most-u-s-muslims-would-trade-constitution-for-shariah/
According to a local newspaper report, Omar Ahmad, a founder of CAIR, told a conference hall packed with California Muslims in July 1998 that Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant.
The reporter paraphrased Ahmad saying, “The Quran … should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
When CAIR issued a statement in 2003 denying Ahmad made the remarks and claiming the paper had issued a retraction, WND News Editor Art Moore talked to the reporter and two of her editors and found that they stood by the story. Moore then spoke with CAIR national spokesman Ibrahim Hooper, who repeated the claim that the paper had issued a retraction. When Moore informed Hooper that the reporter and the editors stood by the story, the CAIR communications director ended the call. But he called back a few minutes later saying he wanted to amend CAIR’s statement to say that the Muslim organization was seeking a retraction. Three years later, however, when the issue came up again, CAIR still had not contacted the paper.
On April 4, 1993, Hooper told a reporter for the Minneapolis Star-Tribune: “I wouldn’t want to create the impression that I wouldn’t like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future.”
Hooper appeared on Michael Medved’s radio show in October 2003 and stated: “If Muslims ever become a majority in the United States, it would be safe to assume that they would want to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law, as most Muslims believe that God’s law is superior to man-made law.”
In May 2015, WND reported that an informal survey of Somali-American Muslims on the streets of Minneapolis showed widespread support for Islamic law as preferable to U.S. law.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/poll-most-u-s-muslims-would-trade-constitution-for-shariah/#LE8hUgmIbGlHujR4.99
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globally, the percentage skyrockets.
this is worrisome... since so many are coming here....
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https://counterjihadreport.com/category/muslim-polls/
These profound threats to US constitutional liberties notwithstanding, polling data reveal an ominous—and growing—proportion of American Muslims wish to impose Sharia on America.
Wenzel Strategies during October 22 to 26, 2012, polled 600 US Muslims of high socio-economic status. When asked, “Do you believe that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted under the Constitution’s First Amendment?, 58% replied “no,” while only 42% affirmed this most basic manifestation of freedom of speech, i.e., to criticize religious, or any other dogma. Indeed, oblivious to US constitutional law, as opposed to Islam’s Sharia, a largely concordant 45% of respondents agreed “…that those who criticize or parody Islam in the U.S. should face criminal charges,” while 38% did not, and 17% were “unsure”. Moreover, fully 12% of this Muslim sample even admitted they believed in application of the draconian, Sharia-based punishment for the non-existent crime of “blasphemy” in the US code, answering affirmatively, “…that Americans who criticize or parody Islam should be put to death.” Three years later, in June of 2015, data from a survey of another 600 US Muslims conducted by the respected political pollster Kellyanne Conway revealed 51%, “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Sharia.” (A “mere” 25% of those polled agreed that “violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad”)
Why is Sharia supremacism—diametrically opposed to US Constitutional law—so alarmingly prevalent among US Muslims? The inescapable conclusion, validated in Senate Judiciary Committee testimony this week by Department of Homeland Security whistleblower Philip Haney, is that mainstream institutional Islam within the US inculcates this liberty-crushing mentality. Haney’s presentation mentioned in passing the mainstream Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America, (AMJA). Well-accepted by the broader American Muslim community, the Islamic scholars affiliated with AMJA have attained influential positions in universities, Islamic centers, and mosques throughout the United States. AMJA scholars train American imams, and issue online “fatwas”, Islamic Sharia rulings, to guide individual Muslims. Should the mainstream AMJA accomplish its unabashed goal of implementing Sharia in North America, the organization has already issued, for example, a ruling which sanctions the killing of non-Muslim “blasphemers.”
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Minnesota Somalies....
really?
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