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Deep Thoughts ... Featuring Brownsfaninpa and Nw220

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    Zombo said:

    New Contracts???

    I think we would just like to end the old ones.

    Gordon is on the indefinite suspension list, so nothing going on there.

    Grif may be a March 15 casualty.

    Zombo

    Not positive about Gordon. But sportrac says he's a RFA, meaning the Browns would have to pony up at least $1.6 million to keep him hanging around.

    Griffin's day of reckoning is March 11th. if they decide to keep him, the Browns will owe him $750k as a roster bonus, plus his $6 million salary. Ghoolie fer sure doesn't think he worth it, and neither do I.

    @hoorta said:

    Not positive about Gordon. But sportrac says he's a RFA, meaning the Browns would have to pony up at least $1.6 million to keep him hanging around.

    Griffin's day of reckoning is March 11th. if they decide to keep him, the Browns will owe him $750k as a roster bonus, plus his $6 million salary. Ghoolie fer sure doesn't think he worth it, and neither do I.

    I only think they should let him go if they have a plan in place to replace him......as a veteran bridge/backup QB. (with the understanding that they will draft a QB) Or the other option I guess if they let him go would be to bring McCown back.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    They will be as neutral as the teams let them be.

    @tour2ma said:

    They will be as neutral as the teams let them be.

    The Steelers are not playing, so there should be neutrality.

    Figure this: 2005 Seahawks.....Super Bowl title stolen by poor/prejudiced referring.

    2014 Seahawks....Super Bowl title stolen by their own stupidity.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @hoorta said:

    Not positive about Gordon. But sportrac says he's a RFA, meaning the Browns would have to pony up at least $1.6 million to keep him hanging around.

    Griffin's day of reckoning is March 11th. if they decide to keep him, the Browns will owe him $750k as a roster bonus, plus his $6 million salary. Ghoolie fer sure doesn't think he worth it, and neither do I.

    Gordon being suspended rolls his contract over, so despite it being the 2017 season he'd be on his rookie contract. We're not paying him while suspended, so there's not much to be gained from cutting him.

    @gftchris said:

    Gordon being suspended rolls his contract over, so despite it being the 2017 season he'd be on his rookie contract. We're not paying him while suspended, so there's not much to be gained from cutting him.

    This...

    Suspensions stop the season accrual clock. Theoretically he could be ours until he is in his 40's... at which time I think I would join the chorus of those who want to release him.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    gftChrisG hoortaH 2 Replies
  • Who owns who ?

    If the team owner wanted to move the team, name & colors to a different city, would you still cheer for the BROWNS no matter what city it was in? Does the NFL own the rights , names, and colors of a team?

    For example, The owner of the Houston Oilers moved the team, and changed the name, logo, and colors. If the Browns moved, could the owner change the team name and keep the colors?

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @gftchris said:

    Gordon being suspended rolls his contract over, so despite it being the 2017 season he'd be on his rookie contract. We're not paying him while suspended, so there's not much to be gained from cutting him.

    This...

    Suspensions stop the season accrual clock. Theoretically he could be ours until he is in his 40's... at which time I think I would join the chorus of those who want to release him.

    @tour2ma said:

    Theoretically he could be ours until he is in his 40's... at which time I think I would join the chorus of those who want to release him.

    He'd probably still be better than what we're drafting.

  • We just did this a couple weeks ago...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • BrownsfaninPaB BrownsfaninPa
    Who owns who ?

    If the team owner wanted to move the team, name & colors to a different city, would you still cheer for the BROWNS no matter what city it was in? Does the NFL own the rights , names, and colors of a team?

    For example, The owner of the Houston Oilers moved the team, and changed the name, logo, and colors. If the Browns moved, could the owner change the team name and keep the colors?

    @brownsfaninpa said:

    Who owns who ?

    If the team owner wanted to move the team, name & colors to a different city, would you still cheer for the BROWNS no matter what city it was in? Does the NFL own the rights , names, and colors of a team?

    For example, The owner of the Houston Oilers moved the team, and changed the name, logo, and colors. If the Browns moved, could the owner change the team name and keep the colors?

    All can be done with approval. Don't use the Browns, bad example. Your better example is the Oilers/Tits. They change their name, colors etc. to better reflect the new location. "Oilers" was pretty specific to the Houston area. No oilers worked the oil fields of Tennessee. Other, more generic team names have stayed the same upon a move: Chargers/Raiders/Rams./Cardinals/Colts

    When the AFL Dallas Texans moved to Kansas City, they certainly did not keep the name Texans. TheWashington Redskins started out as the Boston Redskins. While that name is inappropriate to either city, it was not endemic to either, so it stayed.

    As for previous names....I believe that the NFL retains rights via trademark registration to all former team names. They may even still own all the old ones: Canton Bulldogs, Providence Steam Roller, Pottsville Maroons, etc. The ones they probably do not own are where NFL team adopted the same name as the local baseball team. There used to be Cleveland Indians, Pittsburgh Pirates, Cincinnati Reds etc. etc. football teams.

  • I don't cheer for the "Browns" I cheer for Cleveland. 😉

    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978

  • I was thinking that maybe 'Big Daddy' Dan Wilkinson would be a really good hire as Head Coach for the Cleveland Browns, any thoughts? The straight connection to Ohio St. would be what I'd be intersted in..

    Thanks God Bless an Nature as Well.... 🙂

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • I think you need some serious help... or at least a new hobby.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • N Nw220

    I was thinking that maybe 'Big Daddy' Dan Wilkinson would be a really good hire as Head Coach for the Cleveland Browns, any thoughts? The straight connection to Ohio St. would be what I'd be intersted in..

    Thanks God Bless an Nature as Well.... 🙂

    @nw220 said:

    I was thinking that maybe 'Big Daddy' Dan Wilkinson would be a really good hire as Head Coach for the Cleveland Browns, any thoughts? The straight connection to Ohio St. would be what I'd be intersted in..

    Thanks God Bless an Nature as Well.... 🙂

    Mike Vrabel may more likely be the candidate who is an OSU alum to become HC in the NFL. I believe he was just promoted to DC somewhere...Houston?

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @gftchris said:

    Gordon being suspended rolls his contract over, so despite it being the 2017 season he'd be on his rookie contract. We're not paying him while suspended, so there's not much to be gained from cutting him.

    This...

    Suspensions stop the season accrual clock. Theoretically he could be ours until he is in his 40's... at which time I think I would join the chorus of those who want to release him.

    @tour2ma said:

    This...

    Suspensions stop the season accrual clock. Theoretically he could be ours until he is in his 40's... at which time I think I would join the chorus of those who want to release him.

    That was my understanding too Tour. Then why would sportrac list Gordon as a RFA? That's why I put an * by what they're saying.

  • Z Zombo

    @nw220 said:

    Thanks for the info I still am uncertain on there situations seems very many different people have different perspectives about what they signed on there deals.. I think we should defentily keep them both trade back an grab more picks.. Go Browns!!!!

    The Browns are done with Gordon. He's only technically on the team because he's suspended.

    Griffin sucks.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    The Browns are done with Gordon. He's only technically on the team because he's suspended.

    Griffin sucks.

    Zombo

    Yep.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • Z Zombo

    @nw220 said:

    Thanks for the info I still am uncertain on there situations seems very many different people have different perspectives about what they signed on there deals.. I think we should defentily keep them both trade back an grab more picks.. Go Browns!!!!

    The Browns are done with Gordon. He's only technically on the team because he's suspended.

    Griffin sucks.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    The Browns are done with Gordon. He's only technically on the team because he's suspended.

    Griffin sucks.

    Zombo

    That's the kind of attitude that the Browns are portraying...and rightfully so...but we're now in the offseason phase of building a good football team. He belongs to us. He doesn't affect our roster or payroll or nuttin'. No cutting off our nose to spite our face. We wait and see what transpires...and when it does or doesn't transpire.

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE

  • Could Gordon go into a package to the Patriots for Garropolo?

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  • alporciniA alporcini

    Could Gordon go into a package to the Patriots for Garropolo?

    @alporcini said:

    Could Gordon go into a package to the Patriots for Garropolo?

    I've thought of it, even posted it. It would eliminate the need for giving up a first round pick. I could almost live with that.

  • Man, it's hard enough to value Garroppallo...how would you even value Gordon?

    He's not worth anything right now.

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
  • OrionO Orion

    Man, it's hard enough to value Garroppallo...how would you even value Gordon?

    He's not worth anything right now.

    @orion said:

    Man, it's hard enough to value Garroppallo...how would you even value Gordon?

    He's not worth anything right now.

    Well, he's totally dropped off the radar- you do sort of wonder what he's been up to. Yeah- I agree until we find out what Goodell is going to do about the suspension- he isn't worth anything. Other than the Browns still retain his rights.

    The GipperT D 2 Replies
  • BROWNS-STEELERS MNF Match-ups

    I did some research and came up with an interesting fact. Monday Night Football became a huge success and it had always looked to match up rivals to face each other in prime time. Browns and Steelers games were always a heated . physical battle 2 times a year. And being that these two teams had such a big rivalry, oddly they were only matched up to meet on Monday Night Football only two times. Even though it was the Browns to be the very first team to play on MNF against the Jets, the Browns & Steelers rivalry didn't meet on MNF until 1985, and then again 10 years later In 1995.

    I know the BROWNS - STEELERS met several times on Sunday Night Football on ESPN, BUT it was MNF that was the big spotlight.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @orion said:

    Man, it's hard enough to value Garroppallo...how would you even value Gordon?

    He's not worth anything right now.

    Well, he's totally dropped off the radar- you do sort of wonder what he's been up to. Yeah- I agree until we find out what Goodell is going to do about the suspension- he isn't worth anything. Other than the Browns still retain his rights.

    @hoorta said:

    Well, he's totally dropped off the radar- you do sort of wonder what he's been up to. Yeah- I agree until we find out what Goodell is going to do about the suspension- he isn't worth anything. Other than the Browns still retain his rights.

    Is he under suspension by the league....or by the team.

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