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Trump’s New Religious Freedom Executive Order Is Little Short Of Awesome

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan
    Double standard? You bet:
    Bakeries Can Refuse Bible Verses But Not Gay Weddings, Colorado Decides

    A bakery in Colorado will not be punished for refusing to bake a cake requested by a Christian activist that included quotes from the Bible denouncing homosexuality.

    Azucar Bakery in Denver was found not guilty of discrimination by the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Regulatory Agencies when it refused to make a cake requested by Christian activist Bill Jack.

    In comments sent to The Christian Post on Sunday, Jack denounced the decision by the Civil Rights Division and its use of the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act.

    "Colorado prosecuted Jack Phillips of Masterpiece Cakeshop for bringing his Christian faith to bear in his decision not to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, yet business owners who decide to refuse service to a Christian wanting Bible verses on cakes are exonerated by the state," stated Jack.


    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/bakeries-can-refuse-bible-verses-but-not-gay-weddings-colorado-decides-136971/#JBxlU4QAdmCuCFcq.99
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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Double standard? You bet:

    Sexuality: not a choice

    Religion: a choice

    That's the distinction being made. Frankly anyone who refuses to write stuff on a cake (I'm not talking about baking a penis shaped cake or whatever might 'offend') is an idiot, and anyone who gets bent out of shape about someone not wanting to write stuff they disagree with on a cake is just as much of an idiot. I'm not going to demand a bakery in Ann Arbor write 'Go Buckeyes! Michigan sucks!' or whatever on a cake, but they also should just do it because it's just a fucking cake. Also applies to t-shirts, posters, whatever. *maybe* not big banners to be used in demonstrations.

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      @oldbrownsfan said:

      Double standard? You bet:

      Sexuality: not a choice

      Religion: a choice

      That's the distinction being made. Frankly anyone who refuses to write stuff on a cake (I'm not talking about baking a penis shaped cake or whatever might 'offend') is an idiot, and anyone who gets bent out of shape about someone not wanting to write stuff they disagree with on a cake is just as much of an idiot. I'm not going to demand a bakery in Ann Arbor write 'Go Buckeyes! Michigan sucks!' or whatever on a cake, but they also should just do it because it's just a fucking cake. Also applies to t-shirts, posters, whatever. *maybe* not big banners to be used in demonstrations.

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      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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      @gftchris said:

      Sexuality: not a choice

      Religion: a choice

      That's the distinction being made. Frankly anyone who refuses to write stuff on a cake (I'm not talking about baking a penis shaped cake or whatever might 'offend') is an idiot, and anyone who gets bent out of shape about someone not wanting to write stuff they disagree with on a cake is just as much of an idiot. I'm not going to demand a bakery in Ann Arbor write 'Go Buckeyes! Michigan sucks!' or whatever on a cake, but they also should just do it because it's just a fucking cake. Also applies to t-shirts, posters, whatever. *maybe* not big banners to be used in demonstrations.

      Homosexuality is a choice.

      If you are a black owner of a bakery and you are offended a customer wants you to bake a cake for the KKK party then he should have the right to refuse. It is a matter of conscience.

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        acting out is always a choice. Society defining "Real Marriage" is a choice.

        a gay couple going to a Christian bakery is a choice.

        pandering to sick freaks, the gays, and illegals and Muslims is a choice...of obamao and the dems.

        trying to deny Christians the freedom of worship...is a choice.

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          @gftchris said:

          Sexuality: not a choice

          Religion: a choice

          That's the distinction being made. Frankly anyone who refuses to write stuff on a cake (I'm not talking about baking a penis shaped cake or whatever might 'offend') is an idiot, and anyone who gets bent out of shape about someone not wanting to write stuff they disagree with on a cake is just as much of an idiot. I'm not going to demand a bakery in Ann Arbor write 'Go Buckeyes! Michigan sucks!' or whatever on a cake, but they also should just do it because it's just a fucking cake. Also applies to t-shirts, posters, whatever. *maybe* not big banners to be used in demonstrations.

          Homosexuality is a choice.

          If you are a black owner of a bakery and you are offended a customer wants you to bake a cake for the KKK party then he should have the right to refuse. It is a matter of conscience.

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          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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          @oldbrownsfan said:

          Homosexuality is a choice.

          If you are a black owner of a bakery and you are offended a customer wants you to bake a cake for the KKK party then he should have the right to refuse. It is a matter of conscience.

          unfortunately in rational debate evidence with sound conclusions usually wins debates. In which case there is far more credible evidence being gay is NOT a choice.

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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            gays setting up Christians to be slapped with a radical gov lawsuit is a choice.

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              @oldbrownsfan said:

              Homosexuality is a choice.

              If you are a black owner of a bakery and you are offended a customer wants you to bake a cake for the KKK party then he should have the right to refuse. It is a matter of conscience.

              unfortunately in rational debate evidence with sound conclusions usually wins debates. In which case there is far more credible evidence being gay is NOT a choice.

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              OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              @tiamat63 said:

              unfortunately in rational debate evidence with sound conclusions usually wins debates. In which case there is far more credible evidence being gay is NOT a choice.

              In rational debate on this forum I am sure I can match you study for study about homosexuality being a choice.

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                Despite what you may have read, there's no 'gay gene' | Genetic ...

                https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/.../despite-what-you-may-have-rea...

                Oct 12, 2015 - Amid the ever-present “homosexuality is a choice” chants of the anti-gay community, it is, naturally, tempting to claim that this study is concrete proof that sexual orientation is entirely genetic.

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                  Gay people not 'born that way,' sexual orientation not fixed – US study ...

                  https://www.rt.com/news/356848-study-sexual-orientation-fixed/

                  Aug 23, 2016 - The notion that sexual orientation is predetermined by biology is an important part of the current LGBT discourse. If a person has no choice over ...

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                    Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

                    concernedwomen.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
                    by R Knight - ‎Cited by 1 - ‎Related articles

                    Recent studies among women suggest that female homosexuality may be grounded more ... a biological phenomenon, rather than a fuzzier matter of “choice” or ...

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                      https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2014/06/17/the-latest-in-scientific-research-there-is-no-gay-gene

                      Study: No Proof That People Are Born Gay or Transgender - NewsMax
                      www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/lgbt-gay-transgender-study/.../744644/

                      Aug 22, 2016 - Tags: lgbt | gay | transgender | study | johns hopkins | born this way ... people are born with heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual attractions. ..... Common sense says this all is human choice, because there is NO scientific ...

                      Homosexuality 'may be triggered by environment after birth'
                      www.telegraph.co.uk › Science
                      Oct 8, 2015 - Homosexuality may be triggered by environmental factors during childhood ... “Epigenetic differences are one obvious reason and this study ...
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                        People Are Not Born Gay or Transgender, According to A New Johns ...

                        https://pjmedia.com/.../johns-hopkins-research-no-evidence-people-are-b...

                        Aug 23, 2016 - The study breaks down in three parts: First, Mayer and McHugh examined whether homosexuality is an inherited trait, and concluded that ...

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                          Studies of identical twins show homosexuality is acquired, not genetic ...

                          https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/.../identical-twins-studies-show-homose...

                          Jan 12, 2016 - For no scientific reason, we've all been brainwashed into believing thathomosexuality is not by choice, that homosexuals are born that way.

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                            Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic | Life In HD ...

                            www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647







                            May 13, 2013 - By Mark Ellis. Dr. Neil Whitehead. Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all ...






                            Identical Twins Studies Prove Homosexuality Not Genetic – Godfather ...

                            godfatherpolitics.com/identical-twins-studies-prove-homosexuality-not-g...






                            Jun 16, 2015 - There have been other studies done that also prove homosexuality is not genetic and that people do and can have a choice in their own sexual ...


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                              liberals hate science when it doesn't help their cause

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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                Homosexuality is a choice.

                                If you are a black owner of a bakery and you are offended a customer wants you to bake a cake for the KKK party then he should have the right to refuse. It is a matter of conscience.

                                unfortunately in rational debate evidence with sound conclusions usually wins debates. In which case there is far more credible evidence being gay is NOT a choice.

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                                @tiamat63 said:

                                unfortunately in rational debate evidence with sound conclusions usually wins debates. In which case there is far more credible evidence being gay is NOT a choice.

                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                In rational debate on this forum I am sure I can match you study for study about homosexuality being a choice.

                                You're both probably right and wrong.

                                https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/is-homosexuality-a-choice/

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                                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                                  Which lasted until 1954 (well past the colonial days..it started with the colonial days). Johnson did not evolve or anything about this he just wanted to silence his political opponents.

                                  So what other old laws do you want to bring back from the good old days? Segregation? Marital rape?

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                                  @gftchris said:

                                  So what other old laws do you want to bring back from the good old days? Segregation? Marital rape?

                                  Come on Chris let's use the LCD slavery.

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                                    How many of u actually know gay people? My cousins daughter came out as a lesbian and ger mother told me we had that pegged by the time she was 4....so it didnt surprise us. The other daughter is 100% straight and hands out bj's at clubs like someone handing out political action fliers. Life just doesnt fit in u alls conservative little black/white box no matter how much you despetately want it too.

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                                      How many of u actually know gay people? My cousins daughter came out as a lesbian and ger mother told me we had that pegged by the time she was 4....so it didnt surprise us. The other daughter is 100% straight and hands out bj's at clubs like someone handing out political action fliers. Life just doesnt fit in u alls conservative little black/white box no matter how much you despetately want it too.

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                                      @clevfan4life said:

                                      How many of u actually know gay people? My cousins daughter came out as a lesbian and ger mother told me we had that pegged by the time she was 4....so it didnt surprise us. The other daughter is 100% straight and hands out bj's at clubs like someone handing out political action fliers. Life just doesnt fit in u alls conservative little black/white box no matter how much you despetately want it too.

                                      I know some. Human beings are a mix of nature and nurture. Homesexuality is observable in non-human species, so it is pretty clear that a major part of it is genetics. We can't ignore the effects of peer pressure and the need for people to conform, though. So it doesn't fit in either box.

                                      "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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                                        @clevfan4life said:

                                        The word "entertaining" dies not begin to encompass the level of gleeful giddiness i will exp if something like that goes down. I might have to fap to it is what im saying

                                        We'll see. We've already seen the consequences of the loss of rights of religious beliefs.

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                                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                                        We'll see. We've already seen the consequences of the loss of rights of religious beliefs.

                                        Oh yeah? We have?

                                        Like the spread of scientific knowledge and critical thinking?

                                        Was that too harsh?

                                        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                          I believe homosexuality IS very likely a choice....but it's a choice that soul/consciousness made before it came here. Those are my beliefs that I expect no one else to adhere to. I'm just saying I think we were all somewhere else before this and will be somewhere else after this...and we carry certain things with us from lifetime to lifetime. I just don't see either way how it's anybodys business how we as individuals choose to live our lives. So what if someone later in life chooses to become gay? Some people know early on what they are some people don't. It doesn't matter imo. That red head from sex and the city said she chose later in life to become a lesbian because it just felt more right to her, but that it wasn't always that way. So some people change. There are people who were gay most of their lives and became straight later on. Good for them too. Why is it the human race's sole overriding occupation/obsession seems to be determining for others who and what they are?

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