Fantasy Draft
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How did you end up with the Chargers' 2018 #1 when you traded down with the Bears???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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I took ATL for practice since they are going to win Sunday...
Here's what the sim did for to us...
1. Cleveland Browns - 10729
Round 1 Pick 8 (8) (CAR) Browns: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
Round 1 Pick 15 (15) (PHI) Browns: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
Round 2 Pick 1 (33) Browns: Budda Baker, FS, Washington
Round 2 Pick 8 (40) (CAR) Browns: Tim Williams, OLB/DE, Alabama
Round 2 Pick 11 (43) (PHI) Browns: Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State
Round 2 Pick 20 (52) Browns: Curtis Samuel, WR/RB, Ohio State
Round 3 Pick 1 (65) Browns: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia
Round 3 Pick 39 (103) Browns: Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech
Round 4 Pick 1 (106) Browns: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
Round 4 Pick 36 (141) Browns: Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois
Round 5 Pick 1 (147) Browns: Damien Mama, OG, Southern California
Round 5 Pick 18 (164) (T.B.) Browns: Jayon Brown, ILB, UCLA
Round 5 Pick 34 (180) Browns: Jadar Johnson, SS, Clemson -
Your score is: 10151 (GRADE:
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (B+)
Round 3 Pick 11 (BUF): Justin Evans, SS, Texas A&M (
Round 3 Pick 27 (K.C.): Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kevin King, CB, Washington (A-)
Round 4 Pick 8 (CAR): Julien Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A)
Round 4 Pick 26 (K.C.): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 1: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
Round 5 Pick 8 (CAR): Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A-)
Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)
Round 5 Pick 34: Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: KD Cannon, WR, Baylor (B-)
Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2019 Round 1 Pick
Not bad but this one's better. I think this would make everyone happy.
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Your score is: 11883 (GRADE: A-)Your Picks:Round 1 Pick 12: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)Round 1 Pick 14 (IND): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)Round 2 Pick 20: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (B+)Round 3 Pick 7 (LAC): Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio (B+)Round 4 Pick 1: Josh Jones, FS, NC State (A-)Round 4 Pick 12 (PHI): Kevin King, CB, Washington (A)Round 4 Pick 36: Artavis Scott, WR, Clemson (A+)Round 5 Pick 1: Jake Butt, TE, Michigan (B+)Round 5 Pick 31: Levon Myers, OT, Northern Illinois (B+)Round 5 Pick 34: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)Round 6 Pick 1: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, OLB, Tennessee (B+)Your Future Picks:2018 Round 1 Pick2018 Round 1 Pick (IND)2019 Round 1 Pick
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Your score is: 12233 (GRADE: A)Your Picks:Round 1 Pick 11 (N.O.): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A+)Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)Round 4 Pick 1: Josh Jones, FS, NC State (A-)Round 4 Pick 36: Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois (B+)Round 5 Pick 1: Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane (A+)Round 5 Pick 31: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A+)Round 5 Pick 34: Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar (TX) (A+)Round 6 Pick 8 (CAR): Jalen Reeves-Maybin, OLB, Tennessee (B+)Round 6 Pick 33 (CINN): Justin Senior, OT, Mississippi State (A-)Your Future Picks:2018 Round 1 Pick2018 Round 1 Pick (LAC)2019 Round 1 Pick
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I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
Foster is one of those special athletes that can take on just about any role in the defensive back 7 that does not have CB attached to it. He's one of those Kuechly type players that can read plays so fast that he often gets near handoffs or covers TE's and RBs out of the backfield if he's not eating the QB for lunch. Just too great a player to pass up if we have a legit shot at him.
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I agree Ag but Osiris has a point. Then again, Kirksey's contract comes up in the next year or two. As POTUS says, "you always gotta be willing to walk away."
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I agree Ag but Osiris has a point. Then again, Kirksey's contract comes up in the next year or two. As POTUS says, "you always gotta be willing to walk away."
I agree Ag but Osiris has a point. Then again, Kirksey's contract comes up in the next year or two. As POTUS says, "you always gotta be willing to walk away."
So we take a guy, in Kirksey, that we drafted not particularly early, put a lot of effort into developing, see him become a very good player, important part of our D, so we can take another guy? Create a hole where one doesn't exist because we *can* fill it?
I'm not saying I'm against drafting Foster, but suggesting the reasoning is because Kirksey's contract is coming up is crazy. This is how we keep ourselves in this situation - in the rare cases we draft someone worthy of a second contract, when was the last time we kept one? Haden? Nobody from 2013. Nobody from 2012. Nobody from 2011. Haden from 2010. 2014 draft is coming up for resigning and there are two guys who have developed into very good players in Bitonio and Kirksey and it makes less than no sense to let them walk.
Other players we developed into important starters have gone on to feature heavily in playoff teams, including Ward, Mack, Schwartz, among others. I don't want to keep dredging up history but if you don't learn from it you're an idiot (not you specifically war).
Keep the players that have actually developed into competent starters.
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Foster is an elite player that can make the rotation more versatile -
some mismatches on our lbs happen - they get outrun by some of the
faster te's and slot receivers/rbs in the league. I guess the same logic
would say we shouldn't draft Garrett or Allen because we already
invested in our dline...
Would an Adams at safety be more a dramatic impact player? yep.
Trubisky? Not immediately? Howard or Njuku at TE? yep.
I thought to do another mock, but it's hopeless. Even if the Browns signed
Kirk Cousins if he becomes a FA, it's tough. Garrett is elite at the top. But
maybe a trade down with the Bears, if you aren't going to draft a qb at one...
you could still get Lattimore or Adams or Peppers with your first pick,
and whoever else at 12...
It's crazy. The Browns defense needs pass defense and more speed on
the pass rush... right now, the pass defense desperately needs fixing.
Hell if I know. It's crazy.
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I agree Ag but Osiris has a point. Then again, Kirksey's contract comes up in the next year or two. As POTUS says, "you always gotta be willing to walk away."
So we take a guy, in Kirksey, that we drafted not particularly early, put a lot of effort into developing, see him become a very good player, important part of our D, so we can take another guy? Create a hole where one doesn't exist because we *can* fill it?
I'm not saying I'm against drafting Foster, but suggesting the reasoning is because Kirksey's contract is coming up is crazy. This is how we keep ourselves in this situation - in the rare cases we draft someone worthy of a second contract, when was the last time we kept one? Haden? Nobody from 2013. Nobody from 2012. Nobody from 2011. Haden from 2010. 2014 draft is coming up for resigning and there are two guys who have developed into very good players in Bitonio and Kirksey and it makes less than no sense to let them walk.
Other players we developed into important starters have gone on to feature heavily in playoff teams, including Ward, Mack, Schwartz, among others. I don't want to keep dredging up history but if you don't learn from it you're an idiot (not you specifically war).
Keep the players that have actually developed into competent starters.
So we take a guy, in Kirksey, that we drafted not particularly early, put a lot of effort into developing, see him become a very good player, important part of our D, so we can take another guy? Create a hole where one doesn't exist because we *can* fill it?
I'm not saying I'm against drafting Foster, but suggesting the reasoning is because Kirksey's contract is coming up is crazy. This is how we keep ourselves in this situation - in the rare cases we draft someone worthy of a second contract, when was the last time we kept one? Haden? Nobody from 2013. Nobody from 2012. Nobody from 2011. Haden from 2010. 2014 draft is coming up for resigning and there are two guys who have developed into very good players in Bitonio and Kirksey and it makes less than no sense to let them walk.
Other players we developed into important starters have gone on to feature heavily in playoff teams, including Ward, Mack, Schwartz, among others. I don't want to keep dredging up history but if you don't learn from it you're an idiot (not you specifically war).
Keep the players that have actually developed into competent starters.
Fair enough. I'm just speaking of the hypothetical where Kirksey's agent really tries to bend you over. Hopefully he won't.
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I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
Foster is one of those special athletes that can take on just about any role in the defensive back 7 that does not have CB attached to it. He's one of those Kuechly type players that can read plays so fast that he often gets near handoffs or covers TE's and RBs out of the backfield if he's not eating the QB for lunch. Just too great a player to pass up if we have a legit shot at him.
Foster is one of those special athletes that can take on just about any role in the defensive back 7 that does not have CB attached to it. He's one of those Kuechly type players that can read plays so fast that he often gets near handoffs or covers TE's and RBs out of the backfield if he's not eating the QB for lunch. Just too great a player to pass up if we have a legit shot at him.
I get that he is special, but can he play safety? I guess my point is, let's say you take Foster and he replaces Kirksey or Collins. Sure, he might be better than both of those guys, but by how much? You are taking two steps forward and one step back. If you can find a way to get him on the field without taking snaps away from Kirksey or Collins, okay, I can see it, but otherwise, no, just no. It isn't a sound investment. The net increase in replacing a good starter with a great one isn't worth it.
If we instead take the top safety on the board we take two steps forward without taking two steps back. The net increase in the talent of the starting eleven increases more when you replace bad starters with good ones, and that's what we should be doing.
So we take a guy, in Kirksey, that we drafted not particularly early, put a lot of effort into developing, see him become a very good player, important part of our D, so we can take another guy? Create a hole where one doesn't exist because we *can* fill it?
I'm not saying I'm against drafting Foster, but suggesting the reasoning is because Kirksey's contract is coming up is crazy. This is how we keep ourselves in this situation - in the rare cases we draft someone worthy of a second contract,
This. Plus we need to start signing and paying guys to second contracts because it makes us more attractive to young free agents.
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I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
Foster is one of those special athletes that can take on just about any role in the defensive back 7 that does not have CB attached to it. He's one of those Kuechly type players that can read plays so fast that he often gets near handoffs or covers TE's and RBs out of the backfield if he's not eating the QB for lunch. Just too great a player to pass up if we have a legit shot at him.
There are very very good FSs that will be there in Rnd 2. There will not be for MLB/ILBs.
Foster is one of those special athletes that can take on just about any role in the defensive back 7 that does not have CB attached to it. He's one of those Kuechly type players that can read plays so fast that he often gets near handoffs or covers TE's and RBs out of the backfield if he's not eating the QB for lunch. Just too great a player to pass up if we have a legit shot at him.
This... and I'll add that a Collins-Foster-Kirksey LB-crew allows you to play your base more. It's the kind of crew that can fuel a D that dictates what an O must do. So long as there is a TE and an RB on the field, this crew can work.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
There are very very good FSs that will be there in Rnd 2. There will not be for MLB/ILBs.
Foster is one of those special athletes that can take on just about any role in the defensive back 7 that does not have CB attached to it. He's one of those Kuechly type players that can read plays so fast that he often gets near handoffs or covers TE's and RBs out of the backfield if he's not eating the QB for lunch. Just too great a player to pass up if we have a legit shot at him.
This... and I'll add that a Collins-Foster-Kirksey LB-crew allows you to play your base more. It's the kind of crew that can fuel a D that dictates what an O must do. So long as there is a TE and an RB on the field, this crew can work.
There are very very good FSs that will be there in Rnd 2. There will not be for MLB/ILBs.
This... and I'll add that a Collins-Foster-Kirksey LB-crew allows you to play your base more. It's the kind of crew that can fuel a D that dictates what an O must do. So long as there is a TE and an RB on the field, this crew can work.
Okay, but do you really want to play your base more? To what end? What makes playing your base more attractive when teams are trotting out 3-receiver sets more often than not?
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There are very very good FSs that will be there in Rnd 2. There will not be for MLB/ILBs.
This... and I'll add that a Collins-Foster-Kirksey LB-crew allows you to play your base more. It's the kind of crew that can fuel a D that dictates what an O must do. So long as there is a TE and an RB on the field, this crew can work.
Okay, but do you really want to play your base more? To what end? What makes playing your base more attractive when teams are trotting out 3-receiver sets more often than not?
Okay, but do you really want to play your base more? To what end? What makes playing your base more attractive when teams are trotting out 3-receiver sets more often than not?
I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?
Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
I don't get the obsessive n with Foster. We have Collins and Kirksey. The Browns are going to be in a 4-2-5 defense 80% of the time. Why would we invest a first round pick on someone who won't be on the field most of the time?
I didn't intend to but when I watched film of Allen; but Foster was jumping off the screen with his instincts and God givens flying to the football. He made everyone else on the best defense look like they were in slow motion in comparison, which is pretty tough to do. It felt like I was saying who the flock of seagulls was that repeatedly. Rewind. It's Foster again.
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I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?
Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?
Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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