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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @osiris said:

    Okay, but do you really want to play your base more? To what end? What makes playing your base more attractive when teams are trotting out 3-receiver sets more often than not?

    I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?

    Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?

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    OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?

    Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?

    Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

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      so Foster, being explosive, fast, etc etc etc... lets the base defense set be

      more versatile........ I keep watching film of Foster, he has instincts that

      other players just don't have. He is amazing. and he can back up his instincts

      with serious quickness, strength and skill.

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        @tour2ma said:

        I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?

        Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?

        Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

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        @osiris said:

        Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

        And that is exactly what a player like Foster can do like no other LB out there. Plus it's also under my contention that we go with BPA, not position chasing. If he is still there (a huge IF), take him @#12. I might even consider trading up for this guy. Combine him with Garrett and who we already have and this is instantly a D to recon with. Add a S and CB the second day and then you have instant Browns fans filling seats in NE Ohio.

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          @osiris said:

          Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

          And that is exactly what a player like Foster can do like no other LB out there. Plus it's also under my contention that we go with BPA, not position chasing. If he is still there (a huge IF), take him @#12. I might even consider trading up for this guy. Combine him with Garrett and who we already have and this is instantly a D to recon with. Add a S and CB the second day and then you have instant Browns fans filling seats in NE Ohio.

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          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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          @texasag1969 said:

          And that is exactly what a player like Foster can do like no other LB out there.

          Foster runs a 4.6 40 time - according to the college. You look up and down the league at third receivers and they don't run a 4.6 40 time. Hawkins and Gabriel for a start. Tedd Ginn. Tyler Lockett. Tyreek Hill. You want Foster covering those guys?

          I could get behind the thinking that you can remove a *safety* for a nickel back because Foster can play both the OLB/SS role in those downs potentially, but suggesting he's as effective as a straight corner back is just crazy.

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            @tour2ma said:

            I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?

            Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?

            Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

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            FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
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            @osiris said:

            Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

            Now we understand why BB is a big fan of using zone coverages.

            He never asked LBers Bruschi or Vrabel to cover WRs or RBs. He asked them to cover a hook zone or flats and close on the football thrown to any opponent in that area. In the process, we'd occasionally see Bruschi in big games beating faster athletes to the football because of his schematic positioning and instincts.

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            • OsirisO Osiris

              @tour2ma said:

              I want to play my best unit as much as possible. What team doesn't?

              Why do 3WR sets scare Ds into nickel sets?

              Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

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              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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              @osiris said:

              Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

              Then use a DB... last I looked at a base 4-3 there were still 4 out there.

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                @osiris said:

                Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

                Now we understand why BB is a big fan of using zone coverages.

                He never asked LBers Bruschi or Vrabel to cover WRs or RBs. He asked them to cover a hook zone or flats and close on the football thrown to any opponent in that area. In the process, we'd occasionally see Bruschi in big games beating faster athletes to the football because of his schematic positioning and instincts.

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                @flugel said:

                Now we understand why BB is a big fan of using zone coverages.

                He never asked LBers Bruschi or Vrabel to cover WRs or RBs. He asked them to cover a hook zone or flats and close on the football thrown to any opponent in that area. In the process, we'd occasionally see Bruschi in big games beating faster athletes to the football because of his schematic positioning and instincts.

                Even Bill gets caught... Ninkovich victimized on AtL's last TD, but still you have to play to your strengths.

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                  @osiris said:

                  Because of the potential mismatch that the third wide receiver presents if a linebacker were to cover them.

                  Then use a DB... last I looked at a base 4-3 there were still 4 out there.

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                  OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by Osiris
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                  @tour2ma said:

                  Then use a DB... last I looked at a base 4-3 there were still 4 out there.

                  That works if your defense employs safeties with man coverage capabilities, but most safeties are used in deep zone coverage on pass plays. That's why they are called safeties, they are the last line of defense against a pass attack. You put them in man-coverage at your own risk.

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                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                    Yup... I'm for employing some of them...

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                      http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/How-the-Browns-will-spend-February-preparing-for-the-NFL-Combine/5bfaafce-48bf-423c-9508-fbaf417ad754

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                        darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                        The lets go next year draft

                        Your score is: 11814 (GRADE: A-)
                        Your Picks:
                        Round 1 Pick 12: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
                        Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
                        Round 1 Pick 23 (NYG): Teez Tabor, CB, Florida (A)
                        Round 2 Pick 1: Forrest Lamp, OG/OT, Western Kentucky (B+)
                        Round 2 Pick 20: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A+)
                        Round 2 Pick 23 (NYG): Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
                        Round 3 Pick 1: DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (A)
                        Round 3 Pick 39: Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa (A)
                        Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (A-)
                        Round 4 Pick 36: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A)
                        Round 5 Pick 1: Lorenzo Jerome, SS, Saint Francis (PA) (A)
                        Round 5 Pick 31: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
                        Round 5 Pick 34: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)
                        Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)
                        Your Future Picks:
                        2018 Round 1 Pick
                        2018 Round 1 Pick (NYG)
                        2018 Round 1 Pick (TENN)
                        2019 Round 1 Pick
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                          The lets go next year draft

                          Your score is: 11814 (GRADE: A-)
                          Your Picks:
                          Round 1 Pick 12: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
                          Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
                          Round 1 Pick 23 (NYG): Teez Tabor, CB, Florida (A)
                          Round 2 Pick 1: Forrest Lamp, OG/OT, Western Kentucky (B+)
                          Round 2 Pick 20: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A+)
                          Round 2 Pick 23 (NYG): Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
                          Round 3 Pick 1: DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (A)
                          Round 3 Pick 39: Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa (A)
                          Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (A-)
                          Round 4 Pick 36: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A)
                          Round 5 Pick 1: Lorenzo Jerome, SS, Saint Francis (PA) (A)
                          Round 5 Pick 31: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
                          Round 5 Pick 34: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)
                          Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)
                          Your Future Picks:
                          2018 Round 1 Pick
                          2018 Round 1 Pick (NYG)
                          2018 Round 1 Pick (TENN)
                          2019 Round 1 Pick
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                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                          @darren15 said:

                          The lets go next year draft

                          Your score is: 11814 (GRADE: A-)
                          Your Picks:
                          Round 1 Pick 12: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
                          Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
                          Round 1 Pick 23 (NYG): Teez Tabor, CB, Florida (A)
                          Round 2 Pick 1: Forrest Lamp, OG/OT, Western Kentucky (B+)
                          Round 2 Pick 20: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A+)
                          Round 2 Pick 23 (NYG): Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
                          Round 3 Pick 1: DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (A)
                          Round 3 Pick 39: Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa (A)
                          Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (A-)
                          Round 4 Pick 36: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A)
                          Round 5 Pick 1: Lorenzo Jerome, SS, Saint Francis (PA) (A)
                          Round 5 Pick 31: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
                          Round 5 Pick 34: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)
                          Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)
                          Your Future Picks:
                          2018 Round 1 Pick
                          2018 Round 1 Pick (NYG)
                          2018 Round 1 Pick (TENN)
                          2019 Round 1 Pick

                          If they could pull that off...!

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                            darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                            The Feeney and Mathis MKII Draft .....bookend DE's rushing passer


                            Your score is: 11250 (GRADE: B+)


                            Your Picks:

                            Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)

                            Round 1 Pick 12: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A+)

                            Round 2 Pick 1: TreDavious White, CB, LSU (B+)

                            Round 2 Pick 20: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)

                            Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A)

                            Round 3 Pick 39: Julien Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A-)

                            Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A+)

                            Round 4 Pick 36: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A+)

                            Round 5 Pick 1: Davis Webb, QB, California (A-)

                            Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)

                            Round 5 Pick 34: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)

                            Round 6 Pick 1: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)

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                              The Feeney and Mathis MKII Draft .....bookend DE's rushing passer


                              Your score is: 11250 (GRADE: B+)


                              Your Picks:

                              Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)

                              Round 1 Pick 12: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A+)

                              Round 2 Pick 1: TreDavious White, CB, LSU (B+)

                              Round 2 Pick 20: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)

                              Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A)

                              Round 3 Pick 39: Julien Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A-)

                              Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A+)

                              Round 4 Pick 36: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A+)

                              Round 5 Pick 1: Davis Webb, QB, California (A-)

                              Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)

                              Round 5 Pick 34: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)

                              Round 6 Pick 1: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)

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                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                              @darren15 said:

                              The Feeney and Mathis MKII Draft .....bookend DE's rushing passer
                              Your score is: 11250 (GRADE: B+)
                              Your Picks:
                              Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
                              Round 1 Pick 12: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A+)
                              Round 2 Pick 1: TreDavious White, CB, LSU (B+)
                              Round 2 Pick 20: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
                              Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A)
                              Round 3 Pick 39: Julien Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A-)
                              Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A+)
                              Round 4 Pick 36: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A+)
                              Round 5 Pick 1: Davis Webb, QB, California (A-)
                              Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)
                              Round 5 Pick 34: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
                              Round 6 Pick 1: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)

                              Why two DEs that high....when we just took 2 DEs high last year in Ogbah/Nassib?

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                                darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                                I just think both are better prospects at pass rush .....

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                                  @darren15 said:

                                  The Feeney and Mathis MKII Draft .....bookend DE's rushing passer
                                  Your score is: 11250 (GRADE: B+)
                                  Your Picks:
                                  Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
                                  Round 1 Pick 12: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A+)
                                  Round 2 Pick 1: TreDavious White, CB, LSU (B+)
                                  Round 2 Pick 20: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
                                  Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A)
                                  Round 3 Pick 39: Julien Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A-)
                                  Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A+)
                                  Round 4 Pick 36: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A+)
                                  Round 5 Pick 1: Davis Webb, QB, California (A-)
                                  Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)
                                  Round 5 Pick 34: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
                                  Round 6 Pick 1: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)

                                  Why two DEs that high....when we just took 2 DEs high last year in Ogbah/Nassib?

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Why two DEs that high....when we just took 2 DEs high last year in Ogbah/Nassib?

                                  I think Ogbah is going to be elated to have Garrett getting all the offensive plan attention by our opponents this year. He was coming along nicely by the end of 2016.

                                  But if Thomas is the BPA? Got to take him. Fresh legs for edge rushers every play throughout the game is not a bad thing.

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    Why two DEs that high....when we just took 2 DEs high last year in Ogbah/Nassib?

                                    I think Ogbah is going to be elated to have Garrett getting all the offensive plan attention by our opponents this year. He was coming along nicely by the end of 2016.

                                    But if Thomas is the BPA? Got to take him. Fresh legs for edge rushers every play throughout the game is not a bad thing.

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                                    @texasag1969 said:

                                    I think Ogbah is going to be elated to have Garrett getting all the offensive plan attention by our opponents this year. He was coming along nicely by the end of 2016.

                                    But if Thomas is the BPA? Got to take him. Fresh legs for edge rushers every play throughout the game is not a bad thing.

                                    Sounds fine in theory...sort of. But the Browns have other pressing needs.

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                                      darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                                      Liked my first 9 picks then I screwed up the end


                                      Your score is: 10934 (GRADE: B+)


                                      Your Picks:

                                      Round 1 Pick 3 (CHI): Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)

                                      Round 1 Pick 12: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A)

                                      Round 1 Pick 13 (ARI): Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)

                                      Round 2 Pick 2 (S.F.): Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A-)

                                      Round 2 Pick 4 (CHI): TreDavious White, CB, LSU (B+)

                                      Round 3 Pick 2 (S.F.): T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin (A+)

                                      Round 3 Pick 3 (CHI): Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A)

                                      Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A)

                                      Round 4 Pick 36 (COMP): Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (A+)

                                      Round 5 Pick 1: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B-)

                                      Round 5 Pick 31: Josh Harvey-Clemons, SS/OLB, Louisville (😎

                                      Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota (😎

                                      Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)


                                      Your Future Picks:

                                      2018 Round 1 Pick

                                      2019 Round 1 Pick

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                                        Don't see anything wrong with the end there. That's a phenomenal draft. Who went 1 and 2 if it was neither Myles nor Mitch?

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