A principle of islam i do find appealing...

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Disgusting.

[Westside Steve]

But I don't think Osiris believes that way and I think he gets an inordinate amount of shit.

Just my opinion

WSS

[Osiris]

@westside-steve said:

But I don't think Osiris believes that way and I think he gets an inordinate amount of shit.

Just my opinion

WSS

The alt-right isn't interested in what I believe. They are interested in making other people believe their charicature of me and of most other Muslims.

[Clevfan4life]

@pumpkin-eater said:

So it's not the subhuman treatment of women, the killing of homosexuals, the raping of young boys that appeals to you?

The subhuman treatment and all the rest of that doesnt go on in all of the middle east you monkey, but for the umpteenth time (can u read?) i dont dispute what goes on in some parts of islam. Im sorry i dont have the black and white lenses on today.

I simply stated "some things they get right". And on q the chickens came hopping.....

[Pumpkin Eater]

I sure liked it when the Taliban banned all forms of music. No one was stuck having to listen a song they didn't like! And I'm sure not one of them has regrets about missing hip-hop.

[Clevfan4life]

@pumpkin-eater said:

I sure liked it when the Taliban banned all forms of music. No one was stuck having to listen a song they didn't like! And I'm sure not one of them has regrets about missing hip-hop.

So can u distinguish between the varying forms of islam or not? Sunni/shia is only just the beginning distinction...there are many interpretations within each of those sects. So the taliban gadbtheir version of islam, which is diffetent than isis's as well as hezbollah and hamas. Frankly i cant keep track of all of these monkeys, i just feel sorry for the people caught amongst them that just want to be simple muslims and be left in peace. Just as theres christians in the middle east that dont want to tell anyone what to do but just want yo live in peace as christians.

The jews though this is a different story, i dont fully know what to make of them. But even trump admonished them for their new rash of settlements, let that one digest. Trump himself, now that he has full access to the history of israeli actions that dont make it to the public....even he's now like ok chill the fuck out bibi

[Canton Dawg]

Islam gets a bad reputation, but that's the byproduct when you kill in the name of religion.

[Clevfan4life]

@canton-dawg said:

Islam gets a bad reputation, but that's the byproduct when you kill in the name of religion.

Yup. Christianity had a bad rep too couple hundred years ago cause they'd land somewhere then tell some loincloth wearing ngrs accept cheesus christ as ur lord and savior "or else". If u put a bunch of muslims on another planet with indiginous species on it, i would fully expect that they'd sail all over the place and force alien ngrs to accept allah "or else".

These are the archetypal narratives still left over from the days of the old testament that i wish humans could wash themselves of. At some point in their histories, ALL the abrahamic religions got about to trying to convert the whole planet to their way of thinking. And i have zero doubt at some point christians will start up the old bullshit mill again.....zero doubt.

[Pumpkin Eater]

I'm sure some people who are into torture probably appreciate Islam, since the torture and killing of canines is Mohammed approved.

[Clevfan4life]

Oh snap ron mexico slam

[Osiris]

@pumpkin-eater said:

I'm sure some people who are into torture probably appreciate Islam, since the torture and killing of canines is Mohammed approved.

No it is not.

[Clevfan4life]

@osiris said:

No it is not.

Yes it is. C'mon havent u heard mohammed also diddled little boys?

[Osiris]

@clevfan4life said:

Yes it is. C'mon havent u heard mohammed also diddled little boys?

I don't count "thereligionofpeace.com", "answering-islam.com", Fox News, Briebart, and other alt-right echo chambers as my sources for religious information.

[calfoxwc]

@osiris said:

I don't count "thereligionofpeace.com", "answering-islam.com", Fox News, Briebart, and other alt-right echo chambers as my sources for religious information.

yet, you didn't answer the question. That is not good. You do that a lot. I'm still waiting to

learn how the Koran has many references to extreme violence, etc.... yet seemingly has no

clear way of superceding all that and rendering it invalid.

The Bible has the New Testament. The Koran has... "blank" ?

[calfoxwc]

@clevfan4life said:

Yup. Christianity had a bad rep too couple hundred years ago cause they'd land somewhere then tell some loincloth wearing ngrs accept cheesus christ as ur lord and savior "or else". If u put a bunch of muslims on another planet with indiginous species on it, i would fully expect that they'd sail all over the place and force alien ngrs to accept allah "or else".

crusades? that again? couple of hundred years ago ???

Crusades

War

The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period, especially the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean with the aim of capturing Jerusalem and the Holy ...Wikipedia

Period: 1095 – 1291

[Clevfan4life]

Do you think we have to go far back as the crusades? How bout the spanish sailing around douth anerica and the caribbean? Everbread the shit they did? That was in the 1400-1800's cal. Do i need to post the things christopher Columbus and his men did to folks down south that didnt want to mine gold for the carholic church?

[Clevfan4life]

Its quite clear coatse u are willfully ignorant of christianitys true history. You know all about islams dirty laundry ofc but none of ur own

[calfoxwc]

you said Christians.

Yeah, we have to say terrorists aren't real Muslims, but anyone that

commits a heineous crime is definately a real Christian.

you don't know what you are talking about again.

more emotional knee-jerk. Nose suffer much?

[Pumpkin Eater]

Dogs in the eyes of Prophet Muhammad

1. Dogs reduce good deeds of Muslims

Bukhari 3:515:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."”

2. Dogs spoil prayers

a) Bukhari Vol. 1, #490:

Narrated 'Aisha: "he things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.""

b ) BAbu Dawud Number 704:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.

3. Angels don’t enter a house having dogs

a) Bukhari 3:515:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."”

b )Sahih Muslim 5246:

Narrated 'Aisha: “Gabriel made a promise with Allah's Messenger to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: Aisha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.”

4. Kill the Dogs

a) Sahih Muslim 5248:

Narrated Maymunah: “One morning Allah's Messenger was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).”

b ) Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Number 54.5.13:

"Malik related from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar that the Messenger of God ordered all dogs (other than sheepdogs or hunting dogs) to be killed".

c) Hanbal 4/85; 5/54:

The Messenger of God said: "You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils."

[Osiris]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Dogs in the eyes of Prophet Muhammad

1. Dogs reduce good deeds of Muslims

Bukhari 3:515:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."”

2. Dogs spoil prayers

a) Bukhari Vol. 1, #490:

Narrated 'Aisha: "he things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.""

b ) BAbu Dawud Number 704:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.

3. Angels don’t enter a house having dogs

a) Bukhari 3:515:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."”

b )Sahih Muslim 5246:

Narrated 'Aisha: “Gabriel made a promise with Allah's Messenger to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: Aisha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.”

4. Kill the Dogs

a) Sahih Muslim 5248:

Narrated Maymunah: “One morning Allah's Messenger was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).”

b ) Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Number 54.5.13:

"Malik related from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar that the Messenger of God ordered all dogs (other than sheepdogs or hunting dogs) to be killed".

c) Hanbal 4/85; 5/54:

The Messenger of God said: "You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils."

You posted nothing from the Quran. Only Hadith, many of which have been widely discredited.

From the book, "The Textbook of Hadith Studies" by Muhammad Hashim Kamali: Chapter 7: "Hadith Forgery":

Paragraphs 1 to 3:

Extensive forgery in hadith was commonly known and acknowledged to have occurred in the early decades of the advent of Islam. It is believed to have begun following the turmoil over the murder of the third caliph, Uthman, which dealt a heavy blow to the unity of the umma. This momentous event is held responsible for the emergence of serious political differences and partisan groups such as Shia, Kharijites and Mutazila, as well as the onset of forgery in hadith. Hadith forgery was to a large extent an epiphenomenon of these developments and the conflicts they precipitated eventually led to the collapse of the early caliphate barely forty year after its inception.

A forged hadith or al-mawdu, may be defined as a report, invented by a liar, who has attributed it to the Prophet and it may include either the text or both the text and isnad of the report. Even if this is done with a pious purpose in order to promote what is deemed to be a good cause, it would still count as a forgery and no credibility would be given to the motive and purpose of a deliberate forgery. Hadith forgery has not been confined to isolated cases but took rather a wide dimension barely before the end of the first generation of Muslims in Madina. A part of this phenomenon has been associated with the expansion of the territorial domains of the Islamic state and the ever increasing number of new immigrants of Persians, Romans, Egyptians, Syrians and others who were easy prey to misguided influences against hadith.

The historical origins of forgery in hadith are somewhat uncertain. While some observers have given the caliphate of Uthman as a starting point, others have dated it a little later, at around the year 40 hijra, when political differences between the fourth caliph, Ali and the governor of al-Sham, Muawiya, led to military confrontation and the division of Muslims into various factions. According to a third view, forgery in hadith started even earlier, that is, during the caliphate of Abu Bakr when he waged the war of apostasy (ridda) against the refusers of zakah. But the year 40 is considered the more likely starting point for the development of serious and persistent differences in the community. Muslims were thus divided and hostility between them acquired a religious dimension when they began to use the Qur'an and Sunna in support of their claims. When the misguided elements among them failed to find any authority in the sources for their views, they either imposed a distorted interpretation on the source material, or embarked on outright fabrication.

Paragraphs 5 to 6:

Forgery in hadith is believed to have begun in the context of personality cults (fada'il -al-ashkhas) which aimed to credit or discredit leading political figures with exaggerated claims. An example of this is the following statement attributed to the Prophet: "Whoever wished to behold Adam for his knowledge, Noah for his piety, Abraham for his gentleness, Moses for his commanding patience and Jesus for his devotion to worship - let him behold Ali."

Political differences between Ali and Abu Bakr, Ali and Muawiya, Ali and Aisha, between Abd Allah b. Zubayr and Abd al-Malik b. Marwan, and generally between the Umayyads and Abbasids were among the causes for hadith forgery. Numerous fabricated hadith have thus been recorded in condemnation of Muawiya including, for example, the one in which the Prophet is quoted to have ordered the Muslims "When you see Muawuya on my pulpit, kill him." The fanatical supporters of Muawiya and the Umayyad dynasty are, on the other hand, known to have fabricated hadith such as "The trusted ones are three: I, Gabriel and Muawiya." Political motives also seem to be behind the so-called hadith, for example, that "When the caliphate reaches bani al-Abbas, it will not leave them until they surrender it to Jesus the Son of Mary."

Paragraph 8:

The heretic faction known as al-Zanadiqa, (pl. of Zindiq), owing to their hatred of Islam, fabricated hadith which discredited Islam in the view of its followers. Included among such are: "eggplants are a cure for every illness"; and "beholding a good-looking face is a form of ibada". It is reported that just before his execution at the time of Caliph al-Mahdi, one of the notorious fabricators of hadith, Abd al-Karim b. Abu al-Awja, confessed that he had fabricated 4,000 ahadith in which halal was rendered haram and haram was rendered halal. It has been further reported that the Zanadiqa have fabricated a total of 14,000 ahadith, a report which may or may not be credible. For a statement of this nature tends to arouse suspicion as to its veracity: even in fabricated matters, it is not a facile task to invent such a vast number of hadith on the subject of halal and haram.

Paragraph 10:

Known among the classes of forgers are also professional story-tellers and preachers (al-qussas wa al-waizun) whose urge for popularity through arousing emotional response in audience led them to indulge in forgery. They made up stories and attributed them to the Prophet.

Paragraphs 11-13:

Juristic and theological differences constitute another theme of forgery in hadith. The ulama were thus divided into the Ahl al-Sunna, Mutazila, Jabriyya, Murijia etc., and they disagreed over many issues, such as the attributes of God, the definition of faith (iman), whether faith is only a state of mind or that it relates to both belief and conduct, whether faith is liable to increase or decrease, whether the Qur'an is created or uncreated and so forth. Some of these differences are known to have led to exaggerated statements, even forgery, in hadith.

Another category of fabricated hadith is associated with the religious zeal of individuals whose devotion to Islam led them to careless ascription of hadith to the Prophet. This is illustrated by the forgeries committed by Nuh b. Abi Maryam on the virtues of the various suras of the Qur'an. He is said to have later regretted what he did and explained that he fabricated such hadith because he saw people who were turning away from the Qur'an and occupying themselves with the fiqh of Abu Hanifa and the battle stories of Muhammad b. Ishaq and that he did so as part of carrying out hisba, that is promoting good and forbidding evil, and that he "lied for the Prophet and not against him". This is considered as one of the worst forms of forgery as it almost succeeds to be convincing and becomes difficult to isolate.

Other themes of hadith forgery include the urge on the part of courtiers who distorted hadith so as to please and flatter their overlords. Similarly, the desire to establish the permissibility or virtue of certain varieties of food, beverages, clothes and customary practices has led to forgery in the hadith. A number of fabricated hadiths have thus been recorded on the virtues of food items such as rice, lentils, aubergines, and places such as Asqalan, months of the year, days and even certain times of the day, and also of personal names such as Ahmed and Muhammad.

Paragraph 19:

Qur'an commentaries (tafsir) in both the tafsir bil-mathur (commentary based on precedent) and tafsir bil-ray varieties have not escaped forgeries especially in regard to what is known as Jewish anecdotes (Israliyat). It is noted in this connection that prior to Islam when the Bedouin and illiterate strata of the Arabian people wanted to learn more about certain subjects such as the origins of creation and its mysteries, turmoil and fitna, and so forth they asked the Jews and Christians who has known of such subjects from the Torah and the Bible. Later when these people converted to Islam they conveyed the information they had in their commentaries and elaborations on the Qur'anic passages, especially on subjects outside the area of the ahkam. Some of the recognised names among the ahl al-kitab such as Abd Allah b. Sallam, Kab al-Ahbar, and Wahb b. Munabbih were famed for their anecdotes and stories some of which then found their way into the context of the Qur'anic commentaries. Since these were stories and anecdotes outside of the ahkam, their veracity was often overlooked. "The Qur'an commentaries treated these relatively lightly and filled their tafsir works with such anecdotes ... " that were of questionable origin and content. (Ibid p. 345.)