A principle of islam i do find appealing...
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you said Christians.
Yeah, we have to say terrorists aren't real Muslims, but anyone that
commits a heineous crime is definately a real Christian.
you don't know what you are talking about again.
more emotional knee-jerk. Nose suffer much?
you said Christians.
Yeah, we have to say terrorists aren't real Muslims, but anyone that
commits a heineous crime is definately a real Christian.
you don't know what you are talking about again.
more emotional knee-jerk. Nose suffer much?
Oh ic, so when Muslims do bad shit it's cause they're muslim but when Christians do bad shit it's just a few bad apples is it? So when Columbus was sending back 9 year old girls from the new land to be slaves to other christians under the watchful eye of priests sent along with him on his voyages all reporting back to the vatican, never was he or any of the spanish fleet even said a cross word to. So spare me your bullshit coatse.
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Yet the primary guide for Muslims relates the story of the faithful dog:
"In the Surah Al Kahf (The Cave), a faithful dog is mentioned, accompanying a group of youths in the story of People of the Cave, protecting them as they sleep for more than 300 years. They were concealed and saved from those who were after them.
As described in verse 18, whenever people passed by the cave, it looked as if the dog was just keeping watch at the entrance, making them afraid to look inside. Those who slept: "Were youths who believed in their Lord" (18:13) and were hiding from persecution for their belief in the oneness of Allah and rejection of worshipping many idols. They saw what their elders and majority of the people of their town refused to accept and embrace."
- www.thenational.ae/uae/heritage/quran-in-focus-islams-reverence-for-the-faithful-dog
And more about why what you posted is invalid:
www.quran-islam.org/articles/dogs_(P1159).html
Man, that's like over 2000 dog years. DedicationYet the primary guide for Muslims relates the story of the faithful dog:
"In the Surah Al Kahf (The Cave), a faithful dog is mentioned, accompanying a group of youths in the story of People of the Cave, protecting them as they sleep for more than 300 years. They were concealed and saved from those who were after them.
As described in verse 18, whenever people passed by the cave, it looked as if the dog was just keeping watch at the entrance, making them afraid to look inside. Those who slept: "Were youths who believed in their Lord" (18:13) and were hiding from persecution for their belief in the oneness of Allah and rejection of worshipping many idols. They saw what their elders and majority of the people of their town refused to accept and embrace."
- www.thenational.ae/uae/heritage/quran-in-focus-islams-reverence-for-the-faithful-dog
And more about why what you posted is invalid:
www.quran-islam.org/articles/dogs_(P1159).html
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Man, that's like over 2000 dog years. DedicationYet the primary guide for Muslims relates the story of the faithful dog:
"In the Surah Al Kahf (The Cave), a faithful dog is mentioned, accompanying a group of youths in the story of People of the Cave, protecting them as they sleep for more than 300 years. They were concealed and saved from those who were after them.
As described in verse 18, whenever people passed by the cave, it looked as if the dog was just keeping watch at the entrance, making them afraid to look inside. Those who slept: "Were youths who believed in their Lord" (18:13) and were hiding from persecution for their belief in the oneness of Allah and rejection of worshipping many idols. They saw what their elders and majority of the people of their town refused to accept and embrace."
- www.thenational.ae/uae/heritage/quran-in-focus-islams-reverence-for-the-faithful-dog
And more about why what you posted is invalid:
www.quran-islam.org/articles/dogs_(P1159).html
Man, that's like over 2000 dog years. Dedication
I know your being facetious, but it's really no worse than claims that the universe was created in six days, really. In any case, I love dogs. I have a collie. Best dog ever.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Man, that's like over 2000 dog years. Dedication
I know your being facetious, but it's really no worse than claims that the universe was created in six days, really. In any case, I love dogs. I have a collie. Best dog ever.
. I have a collie. Best dog ever.
All lies u bloodthirsty mooslim, just waitin for the day u can eat that dog. No doubt
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you said Christians.
Yeah, we have to say terrorists aren't real Muslims, but anyone that
commits a heineous crime is definately a real Christian.
you don't know what you are talking about again.
more emotional knee-jerk. Nose suffer much?
Oh ic, so when Muslims do bad shit it's cause they're muslim but when Christians do bad shit it's just a few bad apples is it? So when Columbus was sending back 9 year old girls from the new land to be slaves to other christians under the watchful eye of priests sent along with him on his voyages all reporting back to the vatican, never was he or any of the spanish fleet even said a cross word to. So spare me your bullshit coatse.
Oh ic, so when Muslims do bad shit it's cause they're muslim but when Christians do bad shit it's just a few bad apples is it? So when Columbus was sending back 9 year old girls from the new land to be slaves to other christians under the watchful eye of priests sent along with him on his voyages all reporting back to the vatican, never was he or any of the spanish fleet even said a cross word to. So spare me your bullshit coatse.
I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
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Oh ic, so when Muslims do bad shit it's cause they're muslim but when Christians do bad shit it's just a few bad apples is it? So when Columbus was sending back 9 year old girls from the new land to be slaves to other christians under the watchful eye of priests sent along with him on his voyages all reporting back to the vatican, never was he or any of the spanish fleet even said a cross word to. So spare me your bullshit coatse.
I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
"Today". I say this unequivocally, without secular progressives conservatives would never have abandoned slavery(among other things) Why would they? Its in their bible.
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I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
"Today". I say this unequivocally, without secular progressives conservatives would never have abandoned slavery(among other things) Why would they? Its in their bible.
"Today". I say this unequivocally, without secular progressives conservatives would never have abandoned slavery. Why would they? Its in their bible.
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
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Yes they are..."today". In 100 years we'll see. People forget that when europe was burning things were good in the middle east.
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"Today". I say this unequivocally, without secular progressives conservatives would never have abandoned slavery. Why would they? Its in their bible.
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of man-stealing, which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are ungodly and sinful and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:810).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced Gods gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be a brother in the Lord (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced Gods grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bibles prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
^^^^complete bullshit. More old testament apologizing
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Its a nice work around though...."oh no people werent forced into nothin they they sold themselves voluntarily"
Nauseating rubbish
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"Today". I say this unequivocally, without secular progressives conservatives would never have abandoned slavery. Why would they? Its in their bible.
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
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All lies u bloodthirsty mooslim, just waitin for the day u can eat that dog. No doubt
Did I say best dog ever? I meant to say best-tasting dog ever...
I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
False. Western media simply under-reports it. Americans don't want to hear about stuff like this happening in the world, because only the 'other' is capable of such things:
The Army of God - attacks on abortion clinics and doctors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)#Actions
Ant-Balaka - a Christian terrorist group killing Muslims in Africa and burning down mosques
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/04/22/central-african-republic-muslims-held-captive-raped
Buddhist Extremism in Myanmar
http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/
Hindu Terrorism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimpura_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
Yes they are..."today". In 100 years we'll see. People forget that when europe was burning things were good in the middle east.
As I've said before, Islam is 640 years younger than Christianity. Reform of interpretation is needed and ongoing. A more accurate comparison with today's Islam is Christianity in the 1400s.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
Instead of addressing the debate of radical Islam that is terrorizing the world you have to go back hundreds of years to find bad behavior in another faith. The unhappy fact is you will find evil people doing evil things in the name of all faiths but there is one real problem today and that is radical Islam. They are the ones cutting heads off of innocent people and killing innocent people in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah.
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Recommended Resource: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch
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Oh ic, so when Muslims do bad shit it's cause they're muslim but when Christians do bad shit it's just a few bad apples is it? So when Columbus was sending back 9 year old girls from the new land to be slaves to other christians under the watchful eye of priests sent along with him on his voyages all reporting back to the vatican, never was he or any of the spanish fleet even said a cross word to. So spare me your bullshit coatse.
I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
OldBrownsFan, on 13 Feb 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:
I don't know Cleve maybe it is because we have Muslims today in this century killing innocent people in the name of Allah and we are not having that problem today with other faiths ?
False. Western media simply under-reports it. Americans don't want to hear about stuff like this happening in the world, because only the 'other' is capable of such things:
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There may be some extremism in other faiths but not comparable to radical Islam that is a problem world wide today. The main problem today in regards to terrorism is from radical Islam. Hands down...not even debatable.
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this is stupid. a few examples around the world where some nasty cult
commits violent crimes.
how is that the same as a world wide major sub-religion - "Islamic Extremist" jihad?
It's freaking everywhere.
Meanwhile, bringing up the "army of God" is asswholish. Know why? There's about one dozen
members. Smaller than the Weathermen of bill ayers and bernadine dorn fame.
12... members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)
Now, compare twelve members to tens of thousands of Muslim extremists terrorists
all around the world.
Now, which number is bigger, twwwweeeellllllvvvvve.... or.... tens of thousands?
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Osiris, to be quite fair and honest...what must have been done to piss off a nation of fucking buddhists to get them to that stage? And they're terrified of muslims gaining power there and destroying "thousands" of years of their heritage like what isis did in palmyra.
I know they're brutal against muslims there but when basically told ur buddhist heritage is haram and will eventually be destroyed, what choice do they have?
This is the conundrum moderate muslims will always face because people dont trust moderates, for with them come the fundamentalists that preach destruction of all things un islamic.
I have no answer for that problem, because i see both sides. Muslims like u chafe at being lumped in with the assholes, which is regrettable that happens
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Nobody is arguing that Daesh and their kind are not the biggest terrorism problem. The media, however, would have you think they are the only problem. A map that provides a more rational view of modern terrorism shows significant terrorism occurring in Africa and other non-Middle-Eastern countries, and also shows that it is almost non-existent in the USA despite America's obsession with it.
A map that traces 45 years of terrorism shows even more ambiguity:
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I never understood the reasoning behind Obama not wanting to call out radical Islamic terrorism. What I heard was in his administration they were afraid of turning off and alienating moderate Muslims. It seems to me that moderate Muslims would have no problem with calling out radical Islam. Why would they not?
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Osiris, to be quite fair and honest...what must have been done to piss off a nation of fucking buddhists to get them to that stage? And they're terrified of muslims gaining power there and destroying "thousands" of years of their heritage like what isis did in palmyra.
I know they're brutal against muslims there but when basically told ur buddhist heritage is haram and will eventually be destroyed, what choice do they have?
This is the conundrum moderate muslims will always face because people dont trust moderates, for with them come the fundamentalists that preach destruction of all things un islamic.
I have no answer for that problem, because i see both sides. Muslims like u chafe at being lumped in with the assholes, which is regrettable that happens
Osiris, to be quite fair and honest...what must have been done to piss off a nation of fucking buddhists to get them to that stage? And they're terrified of muslims gaining power there and destroying "thousands" of years of their heritage like what isis did in palmyra.
I know they're brutal against muslims there but when basically told ur buddhist heritage is haram and will eventually be destroyed, what choice do they have?
This is the conundrum moderate muslims will always face because people dont trust moderates, for with them come the fundamentalists that preach destruction of all things un islamic.
I have no answer for that problem, because i see both sides. Muslims like u chafe at being lumped in with the assholes, which is regrettable that happens
To be fair, reverse the question. "What must've been done to piss of the entire Muslim world to get them to that stage." And it isn't just extremist Muslims who hold attitudes that their religion is superior to others. I rode a school bus as a kid where a Catholic kid was fond of telling me I was going to hell because I wasn't Christian. That Anti-Balaka group of Christians has killed Muslims who refuse to convert to Christianity.
Also, when you say "I know they're brutal against muslims there but when basically told ur buddhist heritage is haram and will eventually be destroyed, what choice do they have?" It sounds like you are arguing that uncomfortable speech is grounds for violent retaliation. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't intend that meaning because I know you to be a reasonable person here.
Palestinians are displaced en-masse from their homes, their civilians are killed 3 times as much Israelis according to a Jewish non-profit, but they don't (and shouldn't) get a pass for acts of terrorism. The entire Middle-East has been the world's oil-spurting punching bag for decades. Many terrorists have probably radicalized when their relatives were killed in war. Every terrorist can come up with justifications for their actions, it doesn't make it right. If you are going to be 'understanding' of brutal behavior as a response to existential threats, than do it evenhandedly.
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I never understood the reasoning behind Obama not wanting to call out radical Islamic terrorism. What I heard was in his administration they were afraid of turning off and alienating moderate Muslims. It seems to me that moderate Muslims would have no problem with calling out radical Islam. Why would they not?
I never understood the reasoning behind Obama not wanting to call out radical Islamic terrorism. What I heard was in his administration they were afraid of turning off and alienating moderate Muslims. It seems to me that moderate Muslims would have no problem with calling out radical Islam. Why would they not?
I explained this in another thread. He doesn't have a problem calling them out. He has a problem using the word "radical Islamic terrorism." It implies a fundamental link between Islamic doctrine and terrorism, and Obama understands that the problem is one of interpretation and manipulation, not the doctrine itself.
So, put another way, you are well-versed in the Bible and are a devout Christian it seems. How does the term "radical Christian terrorism" make you feel?
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