Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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Gipper...
Despite the unfortunate Dick Shiner example I don't think trading within the division is a big concern. The Browns don't scare anyone and it's hard to underestimate how friendly and close Hue and Marvin are. The bigger question is if the Browns would be willing to meet the Bengals trade demands. The Bengals have openly asked for a 1st and a 4th, and claim to have turned down a 2nd and a 4th last year. They haven't said who made the bid or if it's still a good offer.
My take? McCarron is going to look pretty attractive to any team that drops out of the Garappolo sweepstakes.
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Gipper...
Despite the unfortunate Dick Shiner example I don't think trading within the division is a big concern. The Browns don't scare anyone and it's hard to underestimate how friendly and close Hue and Marvin are. The bigger question is if the Browns would be willing to meet the Bengals trade demands. The Bengals have openly asked for a 1st and a 4th, and claim to have turned down a 2nd and a 4th last year. They haven't said who made the bid or if it's still a good offer.
My take? McCarron is going to look pretty attractive to any team that drops out of the Garappolo sweepstakes.
Gipper...
Despite the unfortunate Dick Shiner example I don't think trading within the division is a big concern. The Browns don't scare anyone and it's hard to underestimate how friendly and close Hue and Marvin are. The bigger question is if the Browns would be willing to meet the Bengals trade demands. The Bengals have openly asked for a 1st and a 4th, and claim to have turned down a 2nd and a 4th last year. They haven't said who made the bid or if it's still a good offer.
My take? McCarron is going to look pretty attractive to any team that drops out of the Garappolo sweepstakes.
I still think it is not really business as usual to trade within the division. Very rare outliers involved.
Besides Dick Shiner and Justin Gilbert, what other trades have ever been made between the two teams?
What trade has ever been made between the Browns and Bengals? I don't remember any.
And likewise the Ravens?
We got DA from the Ravens...but was not that a waiver wire deal?
What about back in the like 25 years the Browns and Oilers were in a division together? Any trades?
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@boo-fagley said:
The Aikman 3 time winning SB Cowboys were 3rd, 2nd and 5th defensively in points allowed.
The Rodgers 1 time winning SB Packers were 2nd in pts allowed
The Farve 1 time winning SB Packers were 1st in pts allowed.
The Peyton Manning losing SB Broncos were 1st in offensive pts and 22nd in pts allowed defense.
The Peyton Manning winning SB Broncos were 19th in offensive pts and 2nd in pts allowed defense
Peyton Manning was lucky to win 1 SB Indy. Why? He had no defense in Indy and it took a great Denver defense for Manning to get his 2nd ring.
The Vermiel KC Chiefs had a great offense but couldnt stop anyone with their awful defense.
Brady has had great defenses when he won SBs.
So....again, you prove my point that you need balance....great QB, great defense. These QBs rarely won without a very good defense....and a great defense has rarely won without a top notch QB.
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@boo-fagley said:
Youre dead on. Remember the kick ass Safety from Iowa? Bob Sanders?
Absolutely... oft-injured Bob Sanders... most of the time due to reckless disregard for his own body. Also took out a couple teammates thru his years.
But when on the field he was a real difference maker.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Who's Dick Shiner?
Ghoolie is the only dick shiner I know
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Gipper...
Despite the unfortunate Dick Shiner example I don't think trading within the division is a big concern. The Browns don't scare anyone and it's hard to underestimate how friendly and close Hue and Marvin are. The bigger question is if the Browns would be willing to meet the Bengals trade demands. The Bengals have openly asked for a 1st and a 4th, and claim to have turned down a 2nd and a 4th last year. They haven't said who made the bid or if it's still a good offer.
My take? McCarron is going to look pretty attractive to any team that drops out of the Garappolo sweepstakes.
Gipper...
Despite the unfortunate Dick Shiner example I don't think trading within the division is a big concern. The Browns don't scare anyone and it's hard to underestimate how friendly and close Hue and Marvin are. The bigger question is if the Browns would be willing to meet the Bengals trade demands. The Bengals have openly asked for a 1st and a 4th, and claim to have turned down a 2nd and a 4th last year. They haven't said who made the bid or if it's still a good offer.
My take? McCarron is going to look pretty attractive to any team that drops out of the Garappolo sweepstakes.
The short answer Uma- is no. I can't see the Browns offering up multiple picks for Garropolo, and I sure as hell can't envision them ponying up a first round pick for McCarron. If they don't take Trubisky, it's going to be two defensive picks in the first this year.
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Gipper...If it isn't business as usual the problem is likely on your end.
Agree to pay what the Bengals are asking and I'm guessing your team will soon have a brand new starting QB who already knows your offense.
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Hoorta --If you don't want to give up draft picks for Garrappolo or McCarron there's no trade possible, and that's fine, but lets stop pretending this has anything to do with Dick Shiner or the Bengals not wanting to trade a young QB to a division rival.
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@boo-fagley said:
Youre dead on. Remember the kick ass Safety from Iowa? Bob Sanders?
Absolutely... oft-injured Bob Sanders... most of the time due to reckless disregard for his own body. Also took out a couple teammates thru his years.
But when on the field he was a real difference maker.
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Why the fuck would we trade anything for AJ McCarron
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Bill Belichik
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Dangit, he's not Dick Shiner.
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Hoorta --If you don't want to give up draft picks for Garrappolo or McCarron there's no trade possible, and that's fine, but lets stop pretending this has anything to do with Dick Shiner or the Bengals not wanting to trade a young QB to a division rival.
Hoorta --If you don't want to give up draft picks for Garrappolo or McCarron there's no trade possible, and that's fine, but lets stop pretending this has anything to do with Dick Shiner or the Bengals not wanting to trade a young QB to a division rival.
The Bengals certainly can shop McCarron, and the Patriots Garropolo. I'm saying that asking price you're talking about is absurd for McCarron- in division or not.
Why the fuck would we trade anything for AJ McCarron
One of our conditional fifths? Yeah- won't happen- he's darn near a clone of Kessler.
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No Manning was UNLUCKY only to win one running into snow storms against a team with the opposition playbook arelady in hand
This has become a Patriots forum the last few weeks
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Why the fuck would we trade anything for AJ McCarron
Why the fuck would we trade anything for AJ McCarron
He was a starting QB for a long time at a big school in a relatively pro-style offense, who has spent time in and knows Hue Jackson's scheme.
Now - am I talking about McCarron or Kessler? Yeah, pass on McCarron.
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Why the fuck would we trade anything for AJ McCarron
Why the fuck would we trade anything for AJ McCarron
Because he was my 2014 darkhorse?
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@boo-fagley said:
Defense wins championships.
You can say it. Its OK.
Defense gets you close. Balance wins championships.
Even the greatest defenses in history didn't win it alone.
I mean....the 1985 Bears had McMahon, Walter, Willie Gault......a pretty damned good offense.
The 2000 Ravens had a shit offense at first...that is true. But check out the numbers that their offense put up once Dilfer took over:
Here are the points they scored: 27, 24, 27, 44, 24, 34
And they scored 34 points against the Giants in the Super Bowl.
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Gipper...If it isn't business as usual the problem is likely on your end.
Agree to pay what the Bengals are asking and I'm guessing your team will soon have a brand new starting QB who already knows your offense.
Gipper...If it isn't business as usual the problem is likely on your end.
Agree to pay what the Bengals are asking and I'm guessing your team will soon have a brand new starting QB who already knows your offense.
Tell me any time the Bengals have ever made a trade with the Browns/Steelers/Ravens...or going back to Houston etc.
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Who's Dick Shiner?
Aren't you one?
Nevertheless: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/ShinDi00.htm
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