Russia, America's New Frenemy
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So for those of you that think the USA and Russia getting cozy is a good idea (someone here asked me why I thought better relations with Russia was a bad thing, don't remember which thread), please note the following. In the past week...
Russian Spy Ship Spotted Off Delaware Coast
http://nypost.com/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-spotted-off-us-coast/
Russia Redeployed Cruise Missiles, Breaking 1987 INF Arms Treaty
http://nypost.com/2017/02/14/russia-secretly-deploys-cruise-missile-violating-arms-treaty/
Russian Fighters Buzz US Destroyer in Baltic
Russian SU-27 Comes Within 15 Feet of US Recon Plane
http://abcnews.go.com/International/russian-fighter-jet-15-feet-us-air-force/story?id=36601212
Meanwhile, Flynn resigns amidst allegations of inappropriate Russian contacts.
But wait a minute, I thought Trump and Putin were buddies? They say such wonderful things about each other:
Trump on Putin
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/
Putin on Trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/putin-praises-clever-trump_us_58440893e4b0c68e0481671c
Trump is right about one thing, Putin is outsmarting the US right now, precisely because he's playing Trump for a fool. Putin's praise for Trump is not admiration, it's a calculated strategy based on Putin's understanding of Trump's personality. Trump craves admiration and attention, so he gives it to him, and he'll keep giving it to him until he's got Trump wrapped around his finger.
Putin's already got Trump disrespecting NATO because it isn't "taking care of terror." At the same time, he's saying he wants to lift sanctions on Russia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/world/europe/donald-trump-nato.html?_r=0
Russia has never gotten over being outsmarted and broken by Reagan. Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union:
According to Vladimir Bukovsky, a dissident who spent a decade in Soviet prisons before his exile to the West in 1976, Putin is totally genuine when he says the disintegration of the Soviet Union was a "geopolitical catastrophe".
"He does not understand that the collapse of the Soviet system was predetermined, therefore he believes his mission is to restore the Soviet system as soon as possible," he says.
-http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481
Russia is planning on major expansion and redeployment to it's forces in 2017 on it's borders with Europe.
Let's put it all together.:
- Putin, who wants to restore the USSR, comes into power in 1999.
- Using 'War on Terror' after 9/11 as a pretext, he invades and eventually annexes Georgia and Crimea.
- Putin encourages friction between Trump and NATO, with Trump criticizing NATO for not doing enough about terrorism. Trump talks about lifting sanctions imposed on Russia for annexing Crimea.
- Trump's immigration ban sneaks in language that can get America drawn into the war in Syria, making our military further committed elsewhere around the globe.
- Who benefits? Russia. The more NATO can be focused on terrorism, the less it can be focused on what Russia is doing. Russia wants nothing more than for the US, Europe and NATO to be singularly focused (distracted) by the threats posed by terrorists who in reality do not pose an existential threat to any nation outside of the Middle East.
- Missiles have already been redeployed in violation of the 1987 treaty.
- With the Western powers distracted, Russia will redeploy forces as mentioned in the link above.
Appropriately aggressive responses to this will not come from a terrorism-obsessed US administration that seems to admire Russia and has been talking with them even before they came into power. A terrorism-obsessed US populace will not put any pressure on this administration to counter Russian maneuvers.
Say hello to the Soviet Union 2.0.
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Dont know what to make of putin yet, its funny though hiw conservatives maligned liberal actors for hanging out with him but as soon as he rubs trumps balls just right he's now our best buddy.
Cal doesnt know from day to day whether he likes putin or not. Until he gets his daily field orders from blaze or breitbart ofc. Today putin good!!! Wait, lo there yonder leftist abort abort putin bad putin bad now!! Bad putin!!
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Muslim bigotry, who knew?
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More evidence of Russia's plans:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/21/marine-le-pens-russian-links-us-scrutiny/
In May, Le Pen said in an interview that she will recognise Crimea as Russian territory if she wins the French presidency."
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So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR.
It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
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not off topic at all. You are goading about terrible Trump wanting to be
friendly with Russia, and you ignore, ignorantly/dishonestly about the
lack of respect Russian has for us, over the trashheap of obamao/higgardly
disasters the last eight years. It's right on subject - who is responsible
for Russia not respecting us, and why it's bad to trust them.
Whining sombeitch. You bragged about goading me, but you can't take goading.
I suppose because you're a Muslim, you get to decide you get to goad, but
nobody else does. Hypocrite whiner.
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Ur one to talk coatse
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So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR.
It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff.
So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR.
It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff.
The re-set button was kind of silly gimmick though from Clinton.
I would think about all administrations would try to have improved relations with Russia. It would be in our best interest. I remember Obama promising to Putin he would have more flexibility after he was re-elected. As long as we go into trying to improve relations with Russia with our eyes wide open and do things in our best interest why not?
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So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR.
It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff.
The re-set button was kind of silly gimmick though from Clinton.
I would think about all administrations would try to have improved relations with Russia. It would be in our best interest. I remember Obama promising to Putin he would have more flexibility after he was re-elected. As long as we go into trying to improve relations with Russia with our eyes wide open and do things in our best interest why not?
The re-set button was kind of silly gimmick though from Clinton.
I would think about all administrations would try to have improved relations with Russia. It would be in our best interest. I remember Obama promising to Putin he would have more flexibility after he was re-elected. As long as we go into trying to improve relations with Russia with our eyes wide open and do things in our best interest why not?
If you have someone as savvy as Putin, sure. That guy isn't Trump.
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The re-set button was kind of silly gimmick though from Clinton.
I would think about all administrations would try to have improved relations with Russia. It would be in our best interest. I remember Obama promising to Putin he would have more flexibility after he was re-elected. As long as we go into trying to improve relations with Russia with our eyes wide open and do things in our best interest why not?
If you have someone as savvy as Putin, sure. That guy isn't Trump.
If you have someone as savvy as Putin, sure. That guy isn't Trump.
Obama was savvy I will give him that. He was far more radical in his ideas and views than most people realized because of how he presented himself and his demeanor. There is something to say though for someone like Trump and a what you see is what you get person. You know where they are coming from.
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Be calm comrades, all is gut in the motherland.
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