Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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Gipper---You may be as stupid as I think you're pretending to be if you think any team worries about the Browns beating their brains out for 5 years in a row.
Your team is the worst in football and at least two years away from being two years away.
Gipper---You may be as stupid as I think you're pretending to be if you think any team worries about the Browns beating their brains out for 5 years in a row.
Your team is the worst in football and at least two years away from being two years away.
Maybe, maybe not. That remains to be seen. The Bengals WOULD be in fear of the opposite if they traded McCarron to the Browns.
But no one is as stupid as you who thinks they will make a trade in the division.
Again....come up with one. Show me ONE trade made between the Bengals and the Browns/Steelers/Ravens. One trade.
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The Browns are barely relevant and you think another team would be afraid to trade with them?
Yeah, that's the smoke shoveler I remember.
Always quick to answer the trivia question nobody bothered to ask.
Dayton Triangles! Dick Shiner! The Cleveland Browns!
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Dick Shiner is a real dude. Wow.
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Sometimes it's funny the way you guys act like you've already got a QB.
LOL, we have several- they're just not very good.
I'm pretty sure we are all aware of our QB need...
It's just that we also know that flailing around for one is not productive... and it was a hard lesson to learn.
Other than one shot with Couch high first round, we've tried everything else multiple times. It's pretty universal that fans tend to way overvalue their teams players. Like Uma and boo. NFLN said a fair price for Jimmy is a second and something else.
Gipper---Yeah, you're missing the point. Bengals could trade McCarron to any team and the results are exactly the same. Browns will want to control which draft picks are traded and where their draft picks go. If there's a problem making an intra-division trade it's on the Cleveland side.
Who's arguing that? If you want my 0.02 cents, see above. MHO? Anything more than a low 4th rounder for McCarron is nuts. I can use the same argument (slightly modified) I've been using on Boo. Dalton is no Brady. If McCarron is that damn good, he should easily beat out Andy, if in your mind he's worth a first round pick +.
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Hoorta --- You're about the 5th or 6th Brownie to argue McCarron isn't worth today what the Bengals turned down in trade last year.
It's almost like you guys don't know the value of numbers.
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Hoorta --- You're about the 5th or 6th Brownie to argue McCarron isn't worth today what the Bengals turned down in trade last year.
It's almost like you guys don't know the value of numbers.
...when he had an extra year on his contract.Hoorta --- You're about the 5th or 6th Brownie to argue McCarron isn't worth today what the Bengals turned down in trade last year.
It's almost like you guys don't know the value of numbers.
Also, what someone is worth it the same as what someone is willing to pay.
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gftChris --- Congrats, you're wrong on both counts. A persons worth is determined by what the high bidder will pay. What a brownie fan on the internet thinks is a mere curiosity and worthy only of contempt. Furthermore, it was recently ruled that because he wasn't able to practice as a rookie McCarron didn't accrue a season towards free agency. Thus, the Bengals can easily and cheaply keep him on the roster for the next 2 years, and that's exactly what I think they'll do if a team doesn't meet their trade demands. This isn't a fire sale.
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Cool. Let them keep him. He's garbage anyway.
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Hey, did any of you dinks get a chance to read Daniel Jeremiah's recent NFL.com article where he asks 5 NFL GM types which current NFL QB's they would attempt to get if they were desperate for a new QB?
Two out of five specifically mentioned McCarron as the player they'd target, and one even suggested a trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick as a reasonable strategy.
None of the five felt trading for Garappolo or staying put to draft Trubisky was the answer. In fact, even Davis Webb got more votes than those guys.
And Dick Shiner wasn't mentioned at all.
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gftChris --- Congrats, you're wrong on both counts. A persons worth is determined by what the high bidder will pay. What a brownie fan on the internet thinks is a mere curiosity and worthy only of contempt. Furthermore, it was recently ruled that because he wasn't able to practice as a rookie McCarron didn't accrue a season towards free agency. Thus, the Bengals can easily and cheaply keep him on the roster for the next 2 years, and that's exactly what I think they'll do if a team doesn't meet their trade demands. This isn't a fire sale.
gftChris --- Congrats, you're wrong on both counts. A persons worth is determined by what the high bidder will pay. What a brownie fan on the internet thinks is a mere curiosity and worthy only of contempt. Furthermore, it was recently ruled that because he wasn't able to practice as a rookie McCarron didn't accrue a season towards free agency. Thus, the Bengals can easily and cheaply keep him on the roster for the next 2 years, and that's exactly what I think they'll do if a team doesn't meet their trade demands. This isn't a fire sale.
Fair enough, I didn't know about the extra year on his contract - but that was the case a year ago as well, anyone doing their due diligence would know that, so it *was* the case.
I'm not going to get into fair market valuation, except to say that with quarterbacks, as we've discussed with Jimmy G, he'll either be 'worth' a whole lot because he's a franchise guy, or he's 'worth' nothing because he's not. Without knowing how he will turn out, it's difficult to arrive at a fair market valuation because it's essentially just a probability of success scaling between #1 overall pick and condition 2025 7th round pick, and each team will put a different number on him. Whoever puts the highest probability is, so the cliché goes, 'setting the market', but really they're likely overpaying, and if they were to turn around that same day and try to trade him, they wouldn't get as much as they gave up.
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Hey, did any of you dinks get a chance to read Daniel Jeremiah's recent NFL.com article where he asks 5 NFL GM types which current NFL QB's they would attempt to get if they were desperate for a new QB?
Two out of five specifically mentioned McCarron as the player they'd target, and one even suggested a trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick as a reasonable strategy.
None of the five felt trading for Garappolo or staying put to draft Trubisky was the answer. In fact, even Davis Webb got more votes than those guys.
And Dick Shiner wasn't mentioned at all.
Hey, did any of you dinks get a chance to read Daniel Jeremiah's recent NFL.com article where he asks 5 NFL GM types which current NFL QB's they would attempt to get if they were desperate for a new QB?
Two out of five specifically mentioned McCarron as the player they'd target, and one even suggested a trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick as a reasonable strategy.
None of the five felt trading for Garappolo or staying put to draft Trubisky was the answer. In fact, even Davis Webb got more votes than those guys.
And Dick Shiner wasn't mentioned at all.
Which is another way of saying most of them didn't say McCarron.
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Have I mentioned I like McCarron?
I fail to see where trading for McCarron would net us a QB.
The dude is buttIsn't that what you said about Dak?
Also, what someone is worth it the same as what someone is willing to pay.
A persons worth is determined by what the high bidder will pay.
I guess high bidders aren't willing...
Do you split hairs professionally or is it just a hobby?
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Yeah let's spend a first and a third on a QB worse than Andy dalton, awesome. Then I'll go give the manager of Burger King a pound of beluga caviar for letting me rummage through their dumpster.
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gftChris --- Wrong again. Of the 5 GM types polled McCarron was mentioned twice, more than any other QB. The trade cost was projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
I found it amusing how none of the GM's cast a single vote in favor of trading for Garappolo or drafting Trubisky.
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The Browns are barely relevant and you think another team would be afraid to trade with them?
Yeah, that's the smoke shoveler I remember.
Always quick to answer the trivia question nobody bothered to ask.
Dayton Triangles! Dick Shiner! The Cleveland Browns!
The Browns are barely relevant and you think another team would be afraid to trade with them?
Yeah, that's the smoke shoveler I remember.
Always quick to answer the trivia question nobody bothered to ask.
Dayton Triangles! Dick Shiner! The Cleveland Browns!
Yes.....the Bengals are afraid to trade with them.....because they believe that if they trade a QB to them...it could mean the Browns would become relevent.
(Besides...The Browns will be relevent sooner than the Bengals will be in terms of vying for a championship anyway)
I will say this: I agree that I want no part of a trade for McCarron.
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Hoorta --- You're about the 5th or 6th Brownie to argue McCarron isn't worth today what the Bengals turned down in trade last year.
It's almost like you guys don't know the value of numbers.
Hoorta --- You're about the 5th or 6th Brownie to argue McCarron isn't worth today what the Bengals turned down in trade last year.
It's almost like you guys don't know the value of numbers.
Don't know about the value of numbers. We know the value of QBs. (at least the fans do..not sure about our FOs)
And if the Bengals believed that McCarron is worth more than the Browns are willing to pay..then they should have taken the deal from the other team.
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gftChris --- Congrats, you're wrong on both counts. A persons worth is determined by what the high bidder will pay. What a brownie fan on the internet thinks is a mere curiosity and worthy only of contempt. Furthermore, it was recently ruled that because he wasn't able to practice as a rookie McCarron didn't accrue a season towards free agency. Thus, the Bengals can easily and cheaply keep him on the roster for the next 2 years, and that's exactly what I think they'll do if a team doesn't meet their trade demands. This isn't a fire sale.
gftChris --- Congrats, you're wrong on both counts. A persons worth is determined by what the high bidder will pay. What a brownie fan on the internet thinks is a mere curiosity and worthy only of contempt. Furthermore, it was recently ruled that because he wasn't able to practice as a rookie McCarron didn't accrue a season towards free agency. Thus, the Bengals can easily and cheaply keep him on the roster for the next 2 years, and that's exactly what I think they'll do if a team doesn't meet their trade demands. This isn't a fire sale.
Well....perhaps the first thing you said in this thread that makes sense. McCarron knows their system....they may have confidence in him as a backup QB....and he comes cheap...thus they should just keep him...unless overwhelmed with a trade offer.
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Gip---You admit the Browns aren't relevant, but insist teams are afraid to trade with them now? Sounds to me like you're still trying to shovel smoke up a flight of stairs.
As for you not wanting any part of a trade for McCarron, well....I told you the problem would be on your end.
Choking on the cost to acquire a QB is your job, not mine.
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Hey, did any of you dinks get a chance to read Daniel Jeremiah's recent NFL.com article where he asks 5 NFL GM types which current NFL QB's they would attempt to get if they were desperate for a new QB?
Two out of five specifically mentioned McCarron as the player they'd target, and one even suggested a trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick as a reasonable strategy.
None of the five felt trading for Garappolo or staying put to draft Trubisky was the answer. In fact, even Davis Webb got more votes than those guys.
And Dick Shiner wasn't mentioned at all.
Hey, did any of you dinks get a chance to read Daniel Jeremiah's recent NFL.com article where he asks 5 NFL GM types which current NFL QB's they would attempt to get if they were desperate for a new QB?
Two out of five specifically mentioned McCarron as the player they'd target, and one even suggested a trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick as a reasonable strategy.
None of the five felt trading for Garappolo or staying put to draft Trubisky was the answer. In fact, even Davis Webb got more votes than those guys.
And Dick Shiner wasn't mentioned at all.
It doesn't matter what others think. It matters what Sashi Brown, Andrew Berry, and Hue Jackson think.
Those 5 GMs that were asked apparently ARE NOT desperate for a new QB. Jeremiah should reveal who he asked. If those were the GMs of the Bears, 49ers, Jets, Cardinals, and Browns....then the article may have some relevency. Otherwise it is just folderol.
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gftChris --- Wrong again. Of the 5 GM types polled McCarron was mentioned twice, more than any other QB. The trade cost was projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
I found it amusing how none of the GM's cast a single vote in favor of trading for Garappolo or drafting Trubisky.
gftChris --- Wrong again. Of the 5 GM types polled McCarron was mentioned twice, more than any other QB. The trade cost was projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
I found it amusing how none of the GM's cast a single vote in favor of trading for Garappolo or drafting Trubisky.
Provide the link. Because honestly....we don't trust your interpretation.
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