Mini-Camp reports
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If he becomes a good but not all-pro safety...that is better than being a all-pro special teamer.
JMO
Plus...just because he played D doesn't mean he couldn't return a kick or cover a punt.
If he was on the starting D, I would rather him not covering kicks...why sprint him 60 yards, then line him up on D the next play.
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Good stuff.
Davis really shouldn't be a surprise...he has been quick to the hole for a while...we really haven't had a back like him since possibly Byner back in the day.
I don't usually get gaga over rookies, especially late round picks, but this guy could gain 1200 yards for us this year if given the carries.
I will be shocked if Davis isn't by year end our #1 back.
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I know we have seen vids before, but this was was pretty good IMO. It gives a good idea of Davis' burst to the hole and his ability to make a quick cut to break it loose.
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That one is pretty sweet. You can look at the helmets, and if you let the imagination wander just a bit, you can see that in a Browns uniform.
Those navy blue stripes aren't hard to imagine in brown.
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Shep said what I thought. "How is this kid there for the Browns to draft the second day?"
You have to smile at his instincts as a rb, an Ernest Byner comparison doesn't seem far-fetched at all.
He looks far more elusive in the open field than most would imagine a rb drafted so late could do, I think.
Brilliant choice, and lucky he was there. Seems like a kid who will be labeled a huge steal for the Browns.
Gotta love it.
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@shepwrite said:
With all the science, it still happens. Kids still get drafted way later than their talent suggests and it always confuses me. There's a Who's Not list of backs drafted ahead of this guys and, again... I don't get it. Right size, right speed, explosive, natural cutback runner... how is that available in round 6?But it happens every damn year.
It does indeed happen....nice to see it happen to the Browns this time..or so it seems.
Mike
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@shepwrite said:
- The Browns are thrilled not only with Robiskie and Massoquai, but also Jordan Norwood. Based on what he showed over the weekend -- explosive speed and quickness and great hands -- Norwood could very well make the team as a slot receiver. Steptoe better get a realtor.I figured I would just let Norwood go out and prove himself rather than me being a homer just because he is from PSU. I dont like pimping guys just because they are from my school of interest, but it is refreshing to know the kid went out and impressed. I think he would be perfect for the slot. The kid made many, many tough catches and despite his size, he is not afraid to go across the middle and take a hit.
I would love to see them break camp with Robo, Mass, Edwards, Patten and Norwood.
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I know we have seen vids before, but this was was pretty good IMO. It gives a good idea of Davis' burst to the hole and his ability to make a quick cut to break it loose.
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@shepwrite said:
- The Browns are thrilled not only with Robiskie and Massoquai, but also Jordan Norwood. Based on what he showed over the weekend -- explosive speed and quickness and great hands -- Norwood could very well make the team as a slot receiver. Steptoe better get a realtor.I figured I would just let Norwood go out and prove himself rather than me being a homer just because he is from PSU. I dont like pimping guys just because they are from my school of interest, but it is refreshing to know the kid went out and impressed. I think he would be perfect for the slot. The kid made many, many tough catches and despite his size, he is not afraid to go across the middle and take a hit.
I would love to see them break camp with Robo, Mass, Edwards, Patten and Norwood.
I figured I would just let Norwood go out and prove himself rather than me being a homer just because he is from PSU. I dont like pimping guys just because they are from my school of interest, but it is refreshing to know the kid went out and impressed. I think he would be perfect for the slot. The kid made many, many tough catches and despite his size, he is not afraid to go across the middle and take a hit.
I would love to see them break camp with Robo, Mass, Edwards, Patten and Norwood.
Let's don't go overboard. The kid was a undrafted FA for a reason. He will have to compete with and beat out Steptoe, Hubbard, Drew Bennett, Devale Ellis, Leggett and the other UDFAs for the last WR spot on the roster, because you forgot to mention Cribbs as the #5 guy. I'd be looking for Norwood as a practice squad guy at this point. Maybe he has a great camp but I don't see them cutting all those veterans to keep him.
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Possibly so on Cribbs. But maybe not....Cribbs may end up counting as a defensive roster position.
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I think that scouts and personel people can get TOO focused on combine, pro-day, team visit numbers, season stats instead of watching film or actually seeing them play. When Mike Mayock has any opinion on a player that doesn't jive with someone else on the panel, he just says "look at the film on this kid."@shepwrite said:
I didn't get why he wasn't a first day pick at least.It's becoming pretty clear that Manko wanted character and actual players. Not combine olympians.
They look like they did their homework by the sounds of things.
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By Jeff Schudel
Fans who have gone bald from pulling their hair out because of all the bonehead penalties and mistakes committed by the Browns the last 10 years are going to be very happy with Eric Mangini's rules to combat incompetence.
Mangini is going to hold every player accountable for everything he is supposed to do on the field if his first minicamp is an indication of things to come. That became evident when rookie Brian Robiskie was ordered to run a lap for dropping a punt during the second practice of minicamp last weekend.
Robiskie was not the primary punt returner at Ohio State. He returned 12 punts as a senior. He won't be returning punts for the Browns, but he was asked to stand in as a return man for the minicamp and he dropped the ball. So, under the Mangini Doctrine, he had to run.
That isn't all. I covered the minicamps and training camps of seven Browns head coaches before Mangini and cannot recall any of them employing officials to keep watch over a minicamp. But they were there for Mangini's rookie minicamp, and he says they will be there for every practice until the season ends with the exception of walkthroughs the day before a game. Any player committing a penalty in practice will be flagged.
Just as Robiskie had to run for putting the ball on the ground, anyone committing a penalty in practice will have to run a lap. It isn't so bad in a May minicamp when players are in shorts and T-shirts, but when it is August and the pads are on, players are going to remember the snap count or pay the consequence. Obviously, the theory is if they can be made to remember the snap count in practice there will be fewer false starts in games.
The Browns' facility under Romeo Crennel wasn't quite the country club it has been made out to be, but clearly things are going to be different under Mangini.
Last year, the Browns committed 100 penalties. The 2008 Jets coached by Mangini committed 23 fewer.
Game after game under Chris Palmer, Butch Davis and Crennel, the Browns were penalized for not having enough players at the line of scrimmage, illegal shifts and false starts. The 100 penalties last year were the ninth-most in the league, but the Browns were right at the top in pre-snap penalties. Avoiding false start penalties, especially in home games, and knowing the formation is strictly a matter of concentration. Mangini's rules reinforce that concentration.
Mangini will give his players pop quizzes at various times throughout the season. The quizzes could be about the game plan or about the upcoming opponent. If Player A is taking the quiz, it could be about how what Player B does relates to Player A's job.
Some veterans with the Jets did not like Mangini's quizzes. Kellen Winslow Jr., now with Tampa Bay, was notorious for lining up wrong initially and being directed to the right spot by the quarterback. He would not have liked the quizzes. Too bad.
I am not predicting Mangini will magically turn the Browns around in one season or four seasons. There are still too many unanswered questions — the starting quarterback for one. As it stands now, the Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger, the Ravens with Joe Flacco and the Bengals with Carson Palmer are better than the Browns at the most important position on the field.
But teams that do not beat themselves can find ways to beat teams with superior talent. If Mangini gets his message across to the veterans, there might be times next fall when the TV commentators ask rhetorically, "How did the Browns beat such a good team?"
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Not to change the topic but what are the odds of us getting Joe J back? Would he be willing to comeback?
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