Cousins?
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ESPN's Jason Reid reports "former Redskins officials who know Kirk Cousins" have said Cousins doesn't want to be in Washington and would prefer to be franchise-tagged rather than sign a long-term deal.
The sides have made what sounds like zero progress on a long-term deal, and Cousins may be fed up with the way Washington handled negotiations the past two years. The front office clearly didn't believe in Cousins last year, making him prove himself again on a one-year tag, and Cousins answered the bell with a big season. It's fair to wonder if the "former Redskins officials" Reid is referring to is someone from the old Shanahan regime, as then-OC Kyle Shanahan literally "stood on a table" for Cousins when they drafted him. Now the head coach in quarterback-less San Francisco, Shanahan remains enamored with Cousins, who has made it known the feeling is mutual. If Cousins is able to force his way out of D.C., a reunion in Santa Clara would be a good bet.sounds like he wants out! Would you give up 12 for him? Would washington take that or want more?
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Our #12 for a player not under contract who at best would be tagged?
I like the player, but not under those circumstances.
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our 12 trade down to their 17 ?
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Our #12 for a player not under contract who at best would be tagged?
I like the player, but not under those circumstances.
Our #12 for a player not under contract who at best would be tagged?
I like the player, but not under those circumstances.
Exactly Tour. Our #12 maybe, #33 sounds good. Problem is- he's already been tagged once, and he's going to demand top 10 qb money fer sure.
LOL. Imagine RG3's reaction! He'd be like, seriously Cousins... WTH! He couldn't get away from him...
Sure he would- they bring in Kirk, it's adios, RG III. It would be in with the Cousins, out with the Griffin. There would be zero need for him.
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Maybe a sign and trade?
Or a trade deal contingent upon our signing him? Not sure I want WSH negotiating on our behalf.
Exactly Tour. Our #12 maybe, #33 sounds good. Problem is- he's already been tagged once, and he's going to demand top 10 qb money fer sure.
If it were only "Top 10 money", I have a feeling he'd be signed by now.
Here's the other side of the coin... wait.
In 2017 WSH has three options: Sign, tag, release. If they tag, then in 2018 they have two: sign, release. There's little doubt that unless we do something stupid, colossally stupid, we will be a far more attractive landing spot in 2018.
After all of the above I am left wondering why WSH doesn't simply slap their non-exclusive tag on him. Clearly they can't agree on his market value, so letting the market determine it and having first right of refusal would seem to be the path to chose. And if they refuse, then they get two firsts as a consolation prize.
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i would like to see Cousins move on just so Colt McCoy gets a chance to start. I would hate it if the Browns pick him up though. Would be a waste of draft picks when the Browns have so many holes to fill.
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@ghoolie said:
I like the Browns philosophy of building for the future...........
Let's get any cocksucker we can get, as long as we don't have to take a top prospect. YES YES YES.................. let's keep signing quagmire players. YES YES YES FUCKING YESSSSSSSSS Cousins............................... He is our future......................Or Garraposhit ...................................or (Insert underachiever who we believe is going to magically be Joe Montana once he comes to Cleveland)
Yes. only Paxton lynch will do
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I mean Cousins only threw for around 5000 yards and 25 TD's with about a half dozen more rushing TD's. Yea he's garbage right? I mean fuck he was beat out for total passing yards in 2017 by both Brees and Ryan, definitely a POS right?@ghoolie said:
I like the Browns philosophy of building for the future...........
Let's get any cocksucker we can get, as long as we don't have to take a top prospect. YES YES YES.................. let's keep signing quagmire players. YES YES YES FUCKING YESSSSSSSSS Cousins............................... He is our future......................Or Garraposhit ...................................or (Insert underachiever who we believe is going to magically be Joe Montana once he comes to Cleveland)
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i would like to see Cousins move on just so Colt McCoy gets a chance to start. I would hate it if the Browns pick him up though. Would be a waste of draft picks when the Browns have so many holes to fill.
i would like to see Cousins move on just so Colt McCoy gets a chance to start. I would hate it if the Browns pick him up though. Would be a waste of draft picks when the Browns have so many holes to fill.
If Cousins moved on...it would not be Colt who would be their starter. No. They would get someone else.
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I'll give you the potential for a contractual nightmare. I cannot agree on the fact you can't build a team around him.@ghoolie said:
Never said he was a POS. What I said was, he is a fucking contractual nightmare and NOT a guy to build a team around. Garbage pick for the Browns.
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Your mom already did.Amen hallelujah praise Jesus if we can get him.
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@ghoolie said:
jcam, let me post this without the Ghoolie flare. Cousins is a very, very good QB. But he isn't going to come to Cleveland. He would cost a fucking arm and a leg, and come to a team where he has no weapons, a coward HC, a defense that can't stop anyone. He just isn't the guy to bring. He won't have enthusiasm to sign a Cleveland contract. It's not like the Redskins are going to give the guy up.
The reason you can't build OUR team around him is because he has history, and it isn't one of soaking his nuts in Holy Water praying for someone to catch the fucking ball. (Immaculate Reception????)
Trubisky is the guy, He is the pick. The Browns fucked themselves in last year's draft, they can't do it again. SPending #1 #1 on an edge rusher, who, as the Alabama game showed, is not all that, would be a monumental mistake. The Browns need a rookie guy to come stamp his brand on Browns football. Cousins is not going to do that. He is going to lobby for the Browns to become the skins.
Ghoolie, love your shit most of the time. Regarding this year's draft and building for the future, how to we build our defense in your opinion? We gave up so many 2nd half leads because of lack of depth, it just seems smart to use some on some defenaive players. Thanks ghoolie!
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@ghoolie said:
Great defense is important. Great offense makes great defense. The defensive players the Browns had were fine, not great, but fine, certianly 8 - 8 fine. I imagine if you did the calculating and compared all the defenses based on 2 quarters or 3 quarters, our team looks pretty good. The reason we lost so many games down the stretch had EVERYTHING to do with offense, and NOTHING to do with defense.
Absurd? No, not at all.
Any performance, I don't care if it is athletic, musical, job interview, public speaking, building a cabinet, is not simply achieved on motor and physical skills. There is an emotional, intellectual component to it. Next to testosterone, adrenaline is the most powerful chemical in the human body........it cranks out endorphine.....it enables people to play through pain, to overcome adversity, to achieve things far above their pay grade.
Listen to Dwight White talk about Bradshaw. I heard him say that no matter how tired and how beaten they were, when Bradshaw spoke to the team, somehow they found the juice to get him the ball. The D always believed they could win. I am sure this is universal with the D's that played for most of the great QBs.
The Browns lost so many games in the fourth quarter for two reasons.
- Fatigue. The offense put them under pressure the entire game. Giving up 10 points equated to losing
- Absolutely no internal belief that the offense was going to pull it out
There are so many platitudes and euphemisms one could apply to this situation, but it is simple. Why Cleveland fans and experts don't get it, I have no idea; As goes the Quarterback, so goes the entire team. Without offense, defense is largely impotent. Yes, yes, you can cite Ravens first and a couple others, but everything has an exception. Exceptions however don't break the rule.
When you think of the great defensive games over the years, it is always the 4th quarter in which the great Ds really pound the fuck out of the opposition. Yes, because their offense kept them fresh, and motivated.
Unless the Browns have a stellar QB and offense in 2017, drafting Garrett will have no net effect on the Browns outcomes, nor on the defense. Oh, he will make some great hits and moves, but smart offensive schemes will keep him like a heavyweight boxer who tries to throw nothing but knockout punches. He will be as shagged in the 4th qtr as the guy were in 2016..
You want a great defense? Trade the 2018 1st rounder and Joe Thomas for a 2017 first rounder. Pick 3 times in the 1st round, then what is it #1 (33) in the second round? Get a QB, a REAL WR. Get a stud OL if you want, but draft offense. That's the foundation of a good defense.
Thanks for reply! I would agree that we have crap offense, and they did let the defense down. I just never seen any pass rush on the D side. Haden once again got smoked as always. I guess we have the talent, but are very young at that. I don't mind that Thomas trade either, but I think he could get a straight 1st rounder for anow already contender. Here is to hoping we do not shit the bed in the draft again.
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