Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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Gip---Of course you want to use the 1st overall pick on something else. But doing so almost guarantees you won't get a QB at #12 either. Which means Garappolo would be your best option if he were available, but King agrees he isn't. And that leaves trading for McCarron as your best option, prompting you to blather something about Dick Shiner and a bunch of stupid talk about how you and the rest of the fanboys here wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for a chance to get better.
Like you just said, not good options...but options.
Or like I said, funny.
Gip---Of course you want to use the 1st overall pick on something else. But doing so almost guarantees you won't get a QB at #12 either. Which means Garappolo would be your best option if he were available, but King agrees he isn't. And that leaves trading for McCarron as your best option, prompting you to blather something about Dick Shiner and a bunch of stupid talk about how you and the rest of the fanboys here wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for a chance to get better.
Like you just said, not good options...but options.
Or like I said, funny.
Well...if the Browns use #1 on a QB...they won't need to use #12.
And I don't believe McCarron is a good option...because as I said, trades between division members just don't happen any more. And he isn't the thing we need anyway.
And JG may be an option...but I said I would not use our #1 #12 or #33 for him......but I certainly may use #52. That is a second round pick....so yes, I would use a second round pick on him. I think #52 would be fair, just and adequate compensation to the Pat for JG.
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Gip---You keep acting like a lowball offer is going to move the Patriots or the Bengals. In reality, both teams would be very well served to keep their young backup QB's if they aren't offered inflated compensation. Furthermore, to argue you would use pick #52 in trade but not pick #33 is just proof you don't know the value of what you're bidding on.
Regardless, to defend the lowball offer strategy you immediately remind me how the Browns could use the 1st overall pick on Trubisky....something you've already admitted nearly everyone here is trying to avoid.
Seems to me you're trapped in a whirlpool or vortex of stupidity, always steadfastly denying the true cost of the bad options that confront you.
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Gip---You keep acting like a lowball offer is going to move the Patriots or the Bengals. In reality, both teams would be very well served to keep their young backup QB's if they aren't offered inflated compensation. Furthermore, to argue you would use pick #52 in trade but not pick #33 is just proof you don't know the value of what you're bidding on.
Regardless, to defend the lowball offer strategy you immediately remind me how the Browns could use the 1st overall pick on Trubisky....something you've already admitted nearly everyone here is trying to avoid.
Seems to me you're trapped in a whirlpool or vortex of stupidity, always steadfastly denying the true cost of the bad options that confront you.
Well, the general consensus around here Uma is the #52 is plenty enough to offer for Garropolo, and even less for McCarron. If you think it's a lowball offer, fine. I've seen too many trades that burned the team thinking the player they got was going to be a stud. MHO is Garropolo and McCarron are fool's gold.Gip---You keep acting like a lowball offer is going to move the Patriots or the Bengals. In reality, both teams would be very well served to keep their young backup QB's if they aren't offered inflated compensation. Furthermore, to argue you would use pick #52 in trade but not pick #33 is just proof you don't know the value of what you're bidding on.
Regardless, to defend the lowball offer strategy you immediately remind me how the Browns could use the 1st overall pick on Trubisky....something you've already admitted nearly everyone here is trying to avoid.
Seems to me you're trapped in a whirlpool or vortex of stupidity, always steadfastly denying the true cost of the bad options that confront you.
As usual, the team holding the asset just might be overvaluing it. We don't really need either, playing Kessler is an option. I've already said it would be nuts for the Browns to trade a high pick to the Bengals,so get that thought out of your mind.
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Gip---You keep acting like a lowball offer is going to move the Patriots or the Bengals. In reality, both teams would be very well served to keep their young backup QB's if they aren't offered inflated compensation. Furthermore, to argue you would use pick #52 in trade but not pick #33 is just proof you don't know the value of what you're bidding on.
Regardless, to defend the lowball offer strategy you immediately remind me how the Browns could use the 1st overall pick on Trubisky....something you've already admitted nearly everyone here is trying to avoid.
Seems to me you're trapped in a whirlpool or vortex of stupidity, always steadfastly denying the true cost of the bad options that confront you.
Gip---You keep acting like a lowball offer is going to move the Patriots or the Bengals. In reality, both teams would be very well served to keep their young backup QB's if they aren't offered inflated compensation. Furthermore, to argue you would use pick #52 in trade but not pick #33 is just proof you don't know the value of what you're bidding on.
You just don't get it......It is not a matter of it being a lowball offer....it is a matter of what I, me, myself, moi....put on the commodities that you are asking to be traded for.
Me, myself and I...have no interest in paying more than #52 for JG (that does not mean the Browns FO may not go higher)
And I, me, myself put "the value" on whatever it is that I am bidding on. And that value for JG is #52. (again, maybe that is not what the Browns FO values it at)
Again....what is it that YOU don't understand? You don't understand my thinking.....or you don't understand why my thinking doesn't match up with yours? I can't speak to the former...but the latter would be: because you are obtuse.
Regardless, to defend the lowball offer strategy you immediately remind me how the Browns could use the 1st overall pick on Trubisky....something you've already admitted nearly everyone here is trying to avoid.
And I need to remind you that I don't give a flying fuck what nearly everyone else on here would do. I, me, myself....would use that #1 pick on MT...because I...me, myself, value his talents that high.
You don't have to agree with me. You just have to not be obtuse and realize that this is what I...me, myself...think.
Now...my hope is NOT that you agree with me...or that everyothermotherfucker on this board agree with me....but that the Browns FO agree with me.
Am I saying that I am optimistic that they will do so? No, not really.
Seems to me you're trapped in a whirlpool or vortex of stupidity, always steadfastly denying the true cost of the bad options that confront you.
Your ignorance....your dullness of wit......your failure to comprehend simple concepts is beyond measure.
This is what I....The Gipper...believe.
Why are you so goddamn dumb as to not understand that?
If the cost of getting JG is #12...or #33....I don't want the Browns to do it. How can I make that more simple for you to understand?
If the cost of getting AJ McCarron is similar....I don't want the Browns to do it. How can I make that more simple for you to understand?
I do want them to Take Trubisky with the #1 pick. That is a cost that I do want to Browns to make. How can I make that more simple for you to understand?
As for the other options: Taylor, or some other drafted QB, I have not developed my thoughts on what I would want the Browns to give up for them.
It is not my current priority to assess those factors. How can I make that more simple for you to understand?
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@boo-fagley said:
Youre dead on. Belichick wont give Garropolo away like Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
If no team steps up now BB will just wait until pre season and see if another Teddy Twatwater situation arises. Look for Garrapolo to get a lot of snaps in pre season games.
And that is fine. I do NOT want the Browns to overpay for that commodity.
I mean...I REFUSE to pay $9.00 for a beer at the stadium.
I don't think Umadogg gets it. He thinks, apparently, that I HAVE to buy that $9.00 beer. I DO NOT have to buy a fucking $9.00 beer. I do not have to buy JG for the #1, 12, or 33 pick.
I may pay $4.00 for that beer....and that is still twice what it should be. I may pay #52 for JG...and that may still be twice what he is worth...but like the $4.00 beer I may go ahead and get it/him.
I will do without beer at $9.00. I will do without JG/McC...for whatever it seems that Umadogg believes that I MUST pay for them.
I will do without them.
There are other options: I can till I get home or to the bar afterward to buy beer.
I can acquire another QB for a more realistic price. I can draft a QB.
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Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work.
Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations.
And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst.
How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player?
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Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work.
Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations.
And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst.
How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player?
Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work.
Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations.
And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst.
How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player?
There's really no debate- I'd call it a standoff, and you're not going to change Gip's mind. There's no right or wrong in the discussion. You think your commodity is worth X, and Gip (and most Browns fans) thinks it's worth Y. Garropolo and McCarron are far from being the Browns only options. So tough if we think the Browns FO just may value another commodity higher at the given asking price. & FWIW, based on last year they seem to highly value draft picks.
It's as simple as this to my mind. You're saying (maybe) the Bengals shopped McCarron last year. Didn't get what you wanted. No difference to someone putting a house up for sale at $250,000 and all the offers came in at $150,000. So you decide to keep the house. Looks like you overvalued the house, or just maybe you think you're going to get what you want next year. Personally, I wouldn't count on it.
Takes two to agree on a price, and you and me aren't the ones handling the negotiations.
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Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work.
Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations.
And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst.
How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player?
Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work.
Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations.
And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst.
How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player?
Of course nobody in a position of power in the Browns gives a shit what I think.....and they give even less of a shit about what you think. Your overinflation of the value of certain commodities is BY NO MEANS guaranteed to happen.
And you have never, ever apparently engaged in any serious kind of negotiation....the kind that I do all the time as an attorney.
In EVERY negotiation there is ALWAYS a lowball offer made. I mean, clearly you never learned this in your job as a garbage collector.
And....fyi, both Polian and Casserly also said that drafting the QBs last year high....Wentz and Goff....was a bad strategy.
Now we know how certain NFL FOs took their advice to heart, don't we.
And...you, nor I have no fucking clue who the lesser player is going to be.
I mean, clearly the Browns have drafted lesser players than they projected they were drafting.
I mean, you are really doing your best Ace Ventura impression...talking out of your ass and all.
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@boo-fagley said:
I hear Trubinsky is very raw.
Again....the only knock anyone has ever said against him is that he is "inexperienced". Sure, he is that. You got anything else?
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@boo-fagley said:
Youre dead on. Belichick wont give Garropolo away like Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
If no team steps up now BB will just wait until pre season and see if another Teddy Twatwater situation arises. Look for Garrapolo to get a lot of snaps in pre season games.
Backups get lots of preseason snaps... Revelatory post.
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@boo-fagley said:
Im guessing JG gets more than usual.
Jacoby Brissett may get more yet. If they do trade JG somewhere before the season...which they may try to do, then he will be out of their picture and Brissett may be in. If they don't trade JG, they may still give Brissett tons of reps....as they may still try to move JG even during the preseason...(as you say...in case someone loses their QB and IS willing to pay a high price for him ala Bradford)...and they will still want to groom Brissett in any case.
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Gipper---We agree your opinion is worthless. No need to belabor the point by admitting you're an attorney. As long as you stick to trivia you can still be a contributing member of society.
boo - Yeah, if raw is another way of saying Trubisky is a 1-year wonder with game(s) of bad tape.
Gipper - You should write a post about low balling the Patriots for Brissett. You'll win the internet.
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Gipper---We agree your opinion is worthless. No need to belabor the point by admitting you're an attorney. As long as you stick to trivia you can still be a contributing member of society.
boo - Yeah, if raw is another way of saying Trubisky is a 1-year wonder with game(s) of bad tape.
Gipper - You should write a post about low balling the Patriots for Brissett. You'll win the internet.
Gipper---We agree your opinion is worthless. No need to belabor the point by admitting you're an attorney. As long as you stick to trivia you can still be a contributing member of society.
How many times a day do you suck on your mother's titty in order to avoid your feelings of insecurity.
boo - Yeah, if raw is another way of saying Trubisky is a 1-year wonder with game(s) of bad tape.
If by bad you mean: strong, pin point accurate arm, poise, mobility, able to read through his progressions, big, physical, can throw from the pocket or on the run.
Yea, Bad. Michael Jackson bad.
Gipper - You should write a post about low balling the Patriots for Brissett. You'll win the internet.
Just what is your fucking agenda? \
Do you really care if the Browns trade for JG?
Do you really want the Browns to trade with your pathetic Bengals franchise for McCarron?
He may be a decent backup....3rd or 4th round value. Are you wanting to weaken that team by getting rid of their backup?
Your Bengals will suck badly soon enough...why try to push them there any earlier?
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@boo-fagley said:
It's Halftime. We will be offering $9 beers for $4 Bucks. 100k discounts on all Housing Sales. All money discounts will be split fairly between Peter King.Cabot,Polian & Casserly. Buttered Popcorn for everyone..Under 70 days till Browns on Clock..Yippee!!
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@boo-fagley said:
It's Halftime. We will be offering $9 beers for $4 Bucks. 100k discounts on all Housing Sales. All money discounts will be split fairly between Peter King.Cabot,Polian & Casserly. Buttered Popcorn for everyone..Under 70 days till Browns on Clock..Yippee!!
It's Halftime. We will be offering $9 beers for $4 Bucks. 100k discounts on all Housing Sales. All money discounts will be split fairly between Peter King.Cabot,Polian & Casserly. Buttered Popcorn for everyone..Under 70 days till Browns on Clock..Yippee!!
Actually....the Browns are on the clock right now...aren't they?
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LOL! Look at young Tom Brady at the 2000 combine... Man, goes to show that it's all about the work that you put in. All that matters is the love of the game, the body type, the arm strength, the accuracy and the wheels are all a good starting point but what really counts is- Is the player willing to put in the work necessary, are they willing to sacrifice their time and body to become great?
The X's and O's can be taught to one willing to learn... and in the NFL they will receive their master's degree in NFL offense and defenses.
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@boo-fagley said:
14 college starts.
Too risky.
Yet, better than anyone else that has started any more.
Certainly it is a future investment. But I seem to remember the Cavaliers invested in a raw high school kid out of St. Vincent St. Mary.
If there is talent...there is talent....raw, inexperienced or not. You go for talent. Particularly where you need it.
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@boo-fagley said:
I some games his numbers are very good.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545238/mitch-trubisky
I bet he slides and is there at 33.
I accept that bet. You are a Boston area guy. And a fish guy. My wife and I will be in Boston area early June. If MT is drafted before #33....you will pay for our seafood dinner there in Boston. I have my eye on the Chart House restaurant there on the Long Wharf. If he drops to #33 or beyond, I pay for yours. I am already going to be fed Mexican and Margaritas by Atenears if he goes before #10.
What say you.
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AJ McCarron sucks a bag of dicks and we're not trading for him, no matter how much you suck his boner
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