Pryor to Redskins
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Didn't sign Mack we tagged him. Never said we we should've paid him what Atlanta did but tagging him made sense at the time. Thanks for typing 3 paragraphs as if I supported signing Mack to a large contract.
I get that you got all butt hurt over the Howard discussion but please read what I wrote. I didn't address any of Haden's flaws, pretty much gave him a pass due to injury, but more addressed the fact that his contract made no sense for a rebuilding franchise. At the time Haden was inked our defense was lackluster and overall the team was terrible.
And how do you suppose we kept Mack here after another team like Jax offered him up the most money of any player in the NFL at his position? We paid him more $ than Jax was willing to in order to keep him. Did this keep him healthy in 2014, which of course was one of the biggest reasons you needed Tampons in Aisle 3 to plug up your Haden pms right?
I didn't mind any of the adults that disagreed about Howard because they weren't acting like they were in 2nd grade while they explained why. No butt hurtsies at all. My reaction toward you in that thread was from a perspective of surprise that I never follow you around or go out of my way twice in 1 thread to disrespect your opinion prior to joining your precedent with me. As I explained, I let the 1st one go before I got to enjoy how you handled the karma.
And didn't a couple adults address your concerns about re-signing good football players in this thread ? Do you remember how old Haden was when he got the next contract? Now take the age of Dwayne Bowe when he was singed here as a FA for absurd cake when he was 3 years removed from his best football and subtract Haden's age from it. After you get the answer Rain Man - remind me why you threw a tantrum about Haden instead of Bowe...
And how did we keep Mack here after another team like Jax offered him up the most money of any player in the NFL at his position? We paid him more $ than Jax was willing to in order to keep him. Did this keep him healthy in 2014, which of course was one of the biggest reasons you needed Tampons in aisle 3 to plug up your Haden pms right?
Stay with me here...
We actually paid him the same money. With the franchise tag, we allowed Jax to set the market...we just had the right to match it and keep him.
This FO could have Franchised tagged him the next season, but they clearly made the decision to let him walk...in favor of Cam Erving....guh!
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And how did we keep Mack here after another team like Jax offered him up the most money of any player in the NFL at his position? We paid him more $ than Jax was willing to in order to keep him. Did this keep him healthy in 2014, which of course was one of the biggest reasons you needed Tampons in aisle 3 to plug up your Haden pms right?
Stay with me here...
Franchise Tag vs Transition Tag. Do you watch football or just get angry on the internet?
Do you watch football or just get angry on the internet?
Which one of us didn't understand why we needed to resign Haden at the time we did so? I'll give you a hint - it's the one that doesn't watch enough football to understand why he was throwing a tantrum.
The other guy (me) that actually watches this team understands when this franchise finally has a young 1st round pick who makes Pro Bowls - it's a really good idea to re-sign him especially if he's a corner on a defense without a pass rush. Remember what Dixon and Minnifield looked like when we had no pass rush on John Elway? Nobody that watched this team play thought they sucked - only someone like you could think that.
Now take a guess who the most popular prospect is for us in the upcoming draft. My dad used to have a dog like you that confused electric outlets with fire hydrans. The poor thing just never learned the difference...
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And how did we keep Mack here after another team like Jax offered him up the most money of any player in the NFL at his position? We paid him more $ than Jax was willing to in order to keep him. Did this keep him healthy in 2014, which of course was one of the biggest reasons you needed Tampons in aisle 3 to plug up your Haden pms right?
Stay with me here...
We actually paid him the same money. With the franchise tag, we allowed Jax to set the market...we just had the right to match it and keep him.
This FO could have Franchised tagged him the next season, but they clearly made the decision to let him walk...in favor of Cam Erving....guh!
We actually paid him the same money. With the franchise tag, we allowed Jax to set the market...we just had the right to match it and keep him.
This FO could have Franchised tagged him the next season, but they clearly made the decision to let him walk...in favor of Cam Erving....guh!
In other words, Mack received a new contract making him the highest paid Center in the NFL the very same year he went on IR by about week 5 or 6.
Gips, no need to reply or clarify any further. The point was we re-signed 2 first round picks who panned out here to contracts showing them they are very important to us. 1 guy got hurt while the other attempted to play through injury behind a bad run defense and horrible pass rush. People that watch football - understand what Haden does as a tackler and a corner putting team-first.
Here comes the NFL draft with the top rated player, who also happens to be the top pass rusher, on our door step at #1 overall... The last time we had this kind of slam dunk with Khalil Mack on our door step, we traded back and ended up with a Corner that doesn't like to tackle or work hard with any degree of consistency so what could possibly go wrong?
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Pray tell WHAT, in your opinion, the Browns NEED? Please reply before the combine & free agency & please be specific. Surely you have an idea since you know specifically what they DON'T need.
Mike
I think they need a pass rushing end, an ILB that can be effective in pass protection but is fierce against the run and another DB.
First, Mack was Transition Tagged, not Franchise tagged. We signed Mack when we matched JAX's Transition offer.
Second, there is no difference between the Exclusive and Non-Exclusive Franchise tags, if the player draws no offers. And since no team will spend two 1st-round picks for Pryor, there therefore is no effective difference between the two franchise tag options. So either tag means TP will be paid the average of the Top 5 WR salaries for 2017.
... an ILB that can be effective in pass protection...
A two-way, ILB/OG, is an interesting criteria for this era...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Do you watch football or just get angry on the internet?
Which one of us didn't understand why we needed to resign Haden at the time we did so? I'll give you a hint - it's the one that doesn't watch enough football to understand why he was throwing a tantrum.
The other guy (me) that actually watches this team understands when this franchise finally has a young 1st round pick who makes Pro Bowls - it's a really good idea to re-sign him especially if he's a corner on a defense without a pass rush. Remember what Dixon and Minnifield looked like when we had no pass rush on John Elway? Nobody that watched this team play thought they sucked - only someone like you could think that.
Now take a guess who the most popular prospect is for us in the upcoming draft. My dad used to have a dog like you that confused electric outlets with fire hydrans. The poor thing just never learned the difference...
Which one of us didn't understand why we needed to resign Haden at the time we did so? I'll give you a hint - it's the one that doesn't watch enough football to understand why he was throwing a tantrum.
The other guy (me) that actually watches this team understands when this franchise finally has a young 1st round pick who makes Pro Bowls - it's a really good idea to re-sign him especially if he's a corner on a defense without a pass rush. Remember what Dixon and Minnifield looked like when we had no pass rush on John Elway? Nobody that watched this team play thought they sucked - only someone like you could think that.
Now take a guess who the most popular prospect is for us in the upcoming draft. My dad used to have a dog like you that confused electric outlets with fire hydrans. The poor thing just never learned the difference...
And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
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First, Mack was Transition Tagged, not Franchise tagged. We signed Mack when we matched JAX's Transition offer.
Second, there is no difference between the Exclusive and Non-Exclusive Franchise tags, if the player draws no offers. And since no team will spend two 1st-round picks for Pryor, there therefore is no effective difference between the two franchise tag options. So either tag means TP will be paid the average of the Top 5 WR salaries for 2017.
... an ILB that can be effective in pass protection...
A two-way, ILB/OG, is an interesting criteria for this era...
First, Mack was Transition Tagged, not Franchise tagged. We signed Mack when we matched JAX's Transition offer.
Second, there is no difference between the Exclusive and Non-Exclusive Franchise tags, if the player draws no offers. And since no team will spend two 1st-round picks for Pryor, there therefore is no effective difference between the two franchise tag options. So either tag means TP will be paid the average of the Top 5 WR salaries for 2017.
A two-way, ILB/OG, is an interesting criteria for this era...
Poor description should've been fierce in run defense and adequate in pass defense, my bad.
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Which one of us didn't understand why we needed to resign Haden at the time we did so? I'll give you a hint - it's the one that doesn't watch enough football to understand why he was throwing a tantrum.
The other guy (me) that actually watches this team understands when this franchise finally has a young 1st round pick who makes Pro Bowls - it's a really good idea to re-sign him especially if he's a corner on a defense without a pass rush. Remember what Dixon and Minnifield looked like when we had no pass rush on John Elway? Nobody that watched this team play thought they sucked - only someone like you could think that.
Now take a guess who the most popular prospect is for us in the upcoming draft. My dad used to have a dog like you that confused electric outlets with fire hydrans. The poor thing just never learned the difference...
And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead?
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And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead?
You don't see Boddy with upside?As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead?
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Terrel Pryor at all costs.
He is a great example and role model to a player like Josh Gordon.
Both together would be an amazing to watch! Plus, a speedster like Coleman added to Gordon and Pryor would make it nearly impossible to stop.
Pryor and Gordon go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly.
Terrel Pryor at all costs.
He is a great example and role model to a player like Josh Gordon.
Both together would be an amazing to watch! Plus, a speedster like Coleman added to Gordon and Pryor would make it nearly impossible to stop.
Pryor and Gordon go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly.
Throw in Trent and you could have a free for all you fucking faggot.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead?
As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead?
I just don't want to see the Browns make another mistake giving Pryor #1 FA money. Use the non-exclusive franchise tag and see what suitors are out there.
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Which one of us didn't understand why we needed to resign Haden at the time we did so? I'll give you a hint - it's the one that doesn't watch enough football to understand why he was throwing a tantrum.
The other guy (me) that actually watches this team understands when this franchise finally has a young 1st round pick who makes Pro Bowls - it's a really good idea to re-sign him especially if he's a corner on a defense without a pass rush. Remember what Dixon and Minnifield looked like when we had no pass rush on John Elway? Nobody that watched this team play thought they sucked - only someone like you could think that.
Now take a guess who the most popular prospect is for us in the upcoming draft. My dad used to have a dog like you that confused electric outlets with fire hydrans. The poor thing just never learned the difference...
And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
Well, let's see. The article in the link below indicates Cleveland has the most cap room in the NFL in an amount of $50.123 million. Understanding that, why should I panic we gave a young corner that was one of the most reliable tacklers in our defense the contract he deserved at the time? When he had better Safeties and a younger Corner opposite him - we saw what he could do in spite of a mediocre pass rush.
What PFF probably doesn't consider is how crappy our run defense was the last 2 years while a pass rush has been MIA. Again, when we couldn't put a pass rush on John Elway - Dixon and Minnifield had some of their worst games. Now imagine if they had that same circumstance all season while they were also playing hurt - do we really need Pro Football Focus to tell us how that would handcuff their ability to succeed? Let's add the best edge rusher in this draft and some better help in the secondary via free agency and the draft before we race to conclusions about Haden.
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As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead?
I just don't want to see the Browns make another mistake giving Pryor #1 FA money. Use the non-exclusive franchise tag and see what suitors are out there.
I just don't want to see the Browns make another mistake giving Pryor #1 FA money. Use the non-exclusive franchise tag and see what suitors are out there.
Believe it or not, I'm actually with you on that one.
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And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about.
And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/
Well, let's see. The article in the link below indicates Cleveland has the most cap room in the NFL in an amount of $50.123 million. Understanding that, why should I panic we gave a young corner that was one of the most reliable tacklers in our defense the contract he deserved at the time? When he had better Safeties and a younger Corner opposite him - we saw what he could do in spite of a mediocre pass rush.
What PFF probably doesn't consider is how crappy our run defense was the last 2 years while a pass rush has been MIA. Again, when we couldn't put a pass rush on John Elway - Dixon and Minnifield had some of their worst games. Now imagine if they had that same circumstance all season while they were also playing hurt - do we really need Pro Football Focus to tell us how that would handcuff their ability to succeed? Let's add the best edge rusher in this draft and some better help in the secondary via free agency and the draft before we race to conclusions about Haden.
Well, let's see. The article in the link below indicates Cleveland has the most cap room in the NFL in an amount of $50.123 million. Understanding that, why should I panic we gave a young corner that was one of the most reliable tacklers in our defense the contract he deserved at the time? When he had better Safeties and a younger Corner opposite him - we saw what he could do in spite of a mediocre pass rush.
What PFF probably doesn't consider is how crappy our run defense was the last 2 years while a pass rush has been MIA. Again, when we couldn't put a pass rush on John Elway - Dixon and Minnifield had some of their worst games. Now imagine if they had that same circumstance all season while they were also playing hurt - do we really need Pro Football Focus to tell us how that would handcuff their ability to succeed? Let's add the best edge rusher in this draft and some better help in the secondary via free agency and the draft before we race to conclusions about Haden.
Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor.
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Well, let's see. The article in the link below indicates Cleveland has the most cap room in the NFL in an amount of $50.123 million. Understanding that, why should I panic we gave a young corner that was one of the most reliable tacklers in our defense the contract he deserved at the time? When he had better Safeties and a younger Corner opposite him - we saw what he could do in spite of a mediocre pass rush.
What PFF probably doesn't consider is how crappy our run defense was the last 2 years while a pass rush has been MIA. Again, when we couldn't put a pass rush on John Elway - Dixon and Minnifield had some of their worst games. Now imagine if they had that same circumstance all season while they were also playing hurt - do we really need Pro Football Focus to tell us how that would handcuff their ability to succeed? Let's add the best edge rusher in this draft and some better help in the secondary via free agency and the draft before we race to conclusions about Haden.
Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor.
Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor.
I think you're right that we'll probably have to pay worthwhile free agents more money. As for Haden, I think he'd be willing to restructure his contract if we ever got to being only 1 or 2 pieces away. Unfortunately, I don't think Rosenhaus would be nearly as willing to do that on behalf of Pryor.
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Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor.
I think you're right that we'll probably have to pay worthwhile free agents more money. As for Haden, I think he'd be willing to restructure his contract if we ever got to being only 1 or 2 pieces away. Unfortunately, I don't think Rosenhaus would be nearly as willing to do that on behalf of Pryor.
I think you're right that we'll probably have to pay worthwhile free agents more money. As for Haden, I think he'd be willing to restructure his contract if we ever got to being only 1 or 2 pieces away. Unfortunately, I don't think Rosenhaus would be nearly as willing to do that on behalf of Pryor.
Drew is a pain in the ass.
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Well....again....I think that is why the transition tag would be more the way to go with TP. Yes, he is not a completely proven talent.....but he is clearly a talent.
Of course...better yet....get him signed at a value that you think he is worth.
Completely agree on the transition tag or the non-exclusive franchise tag.
Completely agree on the transition tag or the non-exclusive franchise tag.
I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go.
If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time.
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I think you're right that we'll probably have to pay worthwhile free agents more money. As for Haden, I think he'd be willing to restructure his contract if we ever got to being only 1 or 2 pieces away. Unfortunately, I don't think Rosenhaus would be nearly as willing to do that on behalf of Pryor.
Drew is a pain in the ass.
Drew is a pain in the ass.
He sure is. Do you remember when did he become Josh Gordon's agent? Was it before or after his Pro Bowl season? If he tells us how much we need Pryor we should remind him we had a Pro Bowl WR that hasn't had very good career advice from his agent. Therefore, we're hoping this client gets better advice like remembering who was his only team that wanted him to come play WR in the first place. Looks like we're the only team that stuck it's neck out for either of his clients to play WR here.
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Completely agree on the transition tag or the non-exclusive franchise tag.
I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go.
If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time.
I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go.
If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time.
Yeah the non-exclusive franchise tag would provide compensation and a team would have to deal knowing if the Browns don't match they are giving up picks.
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Drew is a pain in the ass.
He sure is. Do you remember when did he become Josh Gordon's agent? Was it before or after his Pro Bowl season? If he tells us how much we need Pryor we should remind him we had a Pro Bowl WR that hasn't had very good career advice from his agent. Therefore, we're hoping this client gets better advice like remembering who was his only team that wanted him to come play WR in the first place. Looks like we're the only team that stuck it's neck out for either of his clients to play WR here.
He sure is. Do you remember when did he become Josh Gordon's agent? Was it before or after his Pro Bowl season? If he tells us how much we need Pryor we should remind him we had a Pro Bowl WR that hasn't had very good career advice from his agent. Therefore, we're hoping this client gets better advice like remembering who was his only team that wanted him to come play WR in the first place. Looks like we're the only team that stuck it's neck out for either of his clients to play WR here.
Not sure if he was there from the beginning just remember him running his mouth when Gordon was having issues. He seems like an enabler.
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Completely agree on the transition tag or the non-exclusive franchise tag.
I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go.
If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time.
I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go.
If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time.
Our other Rosenhaus client hasn't been worth ball sweat since he made the Pro Bowl in 2013. And after Braylon Edwards worked his ass off to rehab his knee injury - he gave us 16 TD receptions to look like the 3rd overall pick we so desperately needed. Unfortunately, he never looked nearly as dialed in and focused while headlines about bar fights and a diva needing brighter lights bigger city started appearing.
The worry about Pryor shouldn't be which tag we give him - it should be who he will be after he gets the dream contract. At Ohio State, he became an entitled brat that put the "I before team." I have mixed feeling about Pryor. While I LIKE many of the things I've seen during his audition for the bigger pay day (the only play maker in our WR Corps) - there's some red flags many of us don't want to acknowledge. For example, he's not a great route runner at all so we're restricted to straight ahead routes/drags or slants. I don't see a lot of good change of direction routes like a 7 or a 9. AND, it wasn't just our inexperienced QBs holding onto the ball forever - maybe he wasn't making good decisions/adjustments to various leverages where Paz, Erving or the QB usually got 100% of the credit for the QB eating the football. A WR that could only score 4 TDs doesn't equal the type of contracts much more complete WRs deserve.
And like Bacon said, Drew Rosenhaus is a pain in the ass. When I think of his other client Josh Gordon the lyrics that come to mind are "You can look at the menu but you just can't eat..." I say we just give Pryor a very generous offer considering we were the only NFL franchise that gave the lad an audition stage in the first place. Without that CPR another Rosenhaus WR career has flat lined. If we lose him, we lose him. It's not like we won more than 1 football game last year. I'm sick of seeing entitled players around here since 99 acting like we can't do without them. And if someone wants to complain about how many WRs we drafted that didn't make a difference last year, we also drafted the 2 edge rushers that ranked #1 and #2 at sacking the QB in D-IA football leaving us needing Myles Garrett most today right?
This FO looks like it has been making good decisions with trades that fleeced Pittsburgh and Carolina. They upgraded Ray Farmer's version of a Center as easily as a Washington Redskins Practice Squad player. They just added a Safety that played for Seattle (and Ohio State before that) who can upgrade what was here previously. Obviously, they will need to draft better than they did as rookies but what's to say some of their choices can't get better as their surroundings get better?
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