Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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@boo-fagley said:
Nobody is talking about trading a 1st for a 1st.
Next years pick is relative to the talent in the 2018 draft. If the 2018 draft is ranked like the 1983 draft for QBs, picks in the 1st round of that draft are absolutely worth more than the 2017 1st round pick. Therefore, next years 1st is just as valuable if not more valuable..
Comprende?
That's all conjecture. There was a time that Matt Barkley was considered the next big thing. Grading a draft class a year away is a fool's errand. I believe the analogy is "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
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@boo-fagley said:
Nobody is talking about trading a 1st for a 1st.
Next years pick is relative to the talent in the 2018 draft. If the 2018 draft is ranked like the 1983 draft for QBs, picks in the 1st round of that draft are absolutely worth more than the 2017 1st round pick. Therefore, next years 1st is just as valuable if not more valuable..
Comprende?
As RR said- trying to "grade" a draft a year in advance is risky at best. In spring 2015 no one, and I'll bet no one- had Carson Wentz as a top 5 pick, even his groupies from North Dakota State. Top prospects can get hurt too- like the kid from Notre Dame who blew out his ACL in a Bowl game. The other thing that you have to factor in is, unless you have a functional crystal ball to look into the future, you have no idea where the team you're trading with is going to land in the draft order a year hence. Case in point would be if the team you want Jimmy to go to- Da Bears, offers you a 2018 first round pick. Goody- they suck and will be drafting high again next year. Not necessarily the case.
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@boo-fagley said:
Nobody is talking about trading a 1st for a 1st.
Next years pick is relative to the talent in the 2018 draft. If the 2018 draft is ranked like the 1983 draft for QBs, picks in the 1st round of that draft are absolutely worth more than the 2017 1st round pick. Therefore, next years 1st is just as valuable if not more valuable..
Comprende?
What a bullshit reply. Set up a strawman "if" that you have no idea js close to true, and then build on it as if it's gold and get puffy. You and Gipper deserve each other.
It's not that hard. The concept is called "net present value" (NPV).
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@boo-fagley said:
The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.
Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.
Like how many times do I & others have to say the Bradford trade was desperation by the Vikings? Stupid it sucked.
And if you would have bothered to follow Tour's logic, 2017 3rd exactly equals 2018 2nd.
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Apparently boo has never had to pay interest.
Apparently boo has never had to pay interest.
Bingo.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.
Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.
LMAO... Why would I ask a Vike's fan when you make my case for me?
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@boo-fagley said:
The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.
Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.
Like how many times do I & others have to say the Bradford trade was desperation by the Vikings? Stupid it sucked.
And if you would have bothered to follow Tour's logic, 2017 3rd exactly equals 2018 2nd.
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No he doesn't
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Yes he does. A 2017 3rd equals a 2018 4th, not 2nd.
Sheeze. Try to follow along. Picks get DISCOUNTED a year in the future. A 2018 second round pick is worth a third today, NOT a fourth. Boo was talking about a 2017 third. So trading a 2017 third for a 2018 second is a wash.
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You're right actually. I'm an idiot. Carry on
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You're right actually. I'm an idiot. Carry on
I'm sorry you have just ruled yourself out of Trump's inner circle with that admission.
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I think the point is with the pick discussion is that we have the ammunition to get JG if he's the guy we truly want. If we determine, with the limited sample size, that JG presents as a better prospect than any of the rookies, then I'd say we'll do just about whatever it takes to get a deal done. A potential deal could look something like picks from this draft, next draft, and possibly players on our roster (Gordon comes to mind if there's belief he'll be reinstated again. Remember what Patriots did with Moss?). Any conjecture on the AMOUNT of picks is just that...conjecture. We're hearing all kinds of crazy talk, and we're even hearing silly stuff like the Bears or 49's using their first pick to get him. When has a QB with a handful of played QUARTERS ever gone for the second or third pick? I certainly can't think of one, and I honestly don't think we'll see it here. If a deal does end up costing the Browns the 12th pick of the draft, so be it. That would mean we still get to take our top rated player on the board, PLUS a QB that would be ready to start day 1. If we take any other QB from the draft, the likelihood of him starting right away is slim, although not impossible. Not many expected Wentz to start the season, and we all know what HE did in his first game.
Mitch Trubisky recently was quoted as saying, "I would love to be the Browns' savior", or something close to it. I know it technically shouldn't matter that a prospect is a hometown kid, or that he wants to play for us, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't sway me a bit. Maybe it's because the story would be so amazing. The love for the team would be so real. The thought of "what if he WAS the guy who turned it around, and how much FUN it would be"....too much to ignore.
Back to JG. What appeals most to me about him is how quickly he gets rid of the ball. I was slightly dismayed about his long ball accuracy, but that generally takes a bit of time to develop with WR's. From what little I've seen, JG surveys the entire field. He doesn't lock in on one guy. He's not afraid to challenge the middle, and he will pick up yards with his legs and slide. He has experience playing in the elements, and again, he can play DAY ONE. If we draft a QB, who the hell is going to start week 1? Kessler? I guess I'd be ok with that, in fact there's a small part of me that actually WANTS to see it. As I've said before, Kessler mostly played better than most expected, and that experience he received is worth SO much. Players get better all of the time, perhaps Kessler gets better? It's a long shot, but it's not impossible.
I hope we get JG, and I really hope we get it done quickly. I REALLY don't see that happening, but who really knows just what the hell will go down? Doesn't free agency and trading open up next week? Perhaps this time next week we have our QB of the future, and we can turn our attention to other positions of need.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.
Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.
LMAO... Why would I ask a Vike's fan when you make my case for me?
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Per Reports this morning from Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Pats have told people that Garropolo will NOT be made available in a trade.
Of course, immediately people began speculating (rightly in my opinion) that this was merely a negotiating ploy to up the ante for JG.
In other words...don't believe a word BB says. It is all bullshit simply to up the price.
Someone (the Browns) should call his bluff and say " We will NOT be pursuing a trade for Garropolo"
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Per Reports this morning from Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Pats have told people that Garropolo will NOT be made available in a trade.
Of course, immediately people began speculating (rightly in my opinion) that this was merely a negotiating ploy to up the ante for JG.
In other words...don't believe a word BB says. It is all bullshit simply to up the price.
Someone (the Browns) should call his bluff and say " We will NOT be pursuing a trade for Garropolo"
Per Reports this morning from Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Pats have told people that Garropolo will NOT be made available in a trade.
Of course, immediately people began speculating (rightly in my opinion) that this was merely a negotiating ploy to up the ante for JG.
In other words...don't believe a word BB says. It is all bullshit simply to up the price.
Someone (the Browns) should call his bluff and say " We will NOT be pursuing a trade for Garropolo"
They should let it leak they are actually now after Cincy's #2 and sit back a bit.
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Per Reports this morning from Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Pats have told people that Garropolo will NOT be made available in a trade.
Of course, immediately people began speculating (rightly in my opinion) that this was merely a negotiating ploy to up the ante for JG.
In other words...don't believe a word BB says. It is all bullshit simply to up the price.
Someone (the Browns) should call his bluff and say " We will NOT be pursuing a trade for Garropolo"
They should let it leak they are actually now after Cincy's #2 and sit back a bit.
They should let it leak they are actually now after Cincy's #2 and sit back a bit.
They? Who they? Browns or Pats?
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Damn, no more Garappolo for you guys to construct lowball fantasies around? Man, that's got to sting.
I'll give you guys a couple of days to compose yourselves.
So when does the new Mary Kay Cabot AJ McCarron thread start?
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Damn, no more Garappolo for you guys to construct lowball fantasies around? Man, that's got to sting.
I'll give you guys a couple of days to compose yourselves.
So when does the new Mary Kay Cabot AJ McCarron thread start?
Damn, no more Garappolo for you guys to construct lowball fantasies around? Man, that's got to sting.
I'll give you guys a couple of days to compose yourselves.
So when does the new Mary Kay Cabot AJ McCarron thread start?
I think these were all far more your fantasies than ours, particularly McCarron.
Show where the Bangles have ever said they would be willing to entertain trade offers for him.
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