Mock Draft Central
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First, I think we could stand pat and not lose more games than we did last year.
Second, you may have given up more of 2017 than you thought, but the sim only let's you deal future 1st-rounders.
Third, the reason "it cost so much" was your hanging onto the #12. To do so for Fournette is the biggest flaw in your effort... and that's from a guy who is not in favor of moving up to get Trubs.
The more sims I do, the more mocks I see, I find that #12 is not in the "impact player" zone of this draft. I thought it once was and, depending upon how the actual draft falls, it may yet be.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
First, I think we could stand pat and not lose more games than we did last year.
Second, you may have given up more of 2017 than you thought, but the sim only let's you deal future 1st-rounders.
Third, the reason "it cost so much" was your hanging onto the #12. To do so for Fournette is the biggest flaw in your effort... and that's from a guy who is not in favor of moving up to get Trubs.
The more sims I do, the more mocks I see, I find that #12 is not in the "impact player" zone of this draft. I thought it once was and, depending upon how the actual draft falls, it may yet be.
The more sims I do, the more mocks I see, I find that #12 is not in the "impact player" zone of this draft. I thought it once was and, depending upon how the actual draft falls, it may yet be.
Right....I have about 7 players on my hit list for the top 2 picks....which means, depending how they fall, we will get 1 for sure....but not likely 2.....I tend to rank players in groups, instead of individually, so I have 3 Id take at #1.....and 4 that Id hope to get at #12.....which means I can trade back to #3 and still get one of my coveted players......also gives me fuel to move up from #12 to tap the second...
So....Id advocate a short trade back.....then a trade up.....Id also spend next years #1 to obtain another first this year. As bad as we were, added to the prospect that we will be better this season, means next years #1 is at it's highest value right now. If we do well, then that value drops.....PLUS, we are committed to the young guys now, so why not get a head start on next years pick?
Just did a mock, using the above tactics and feel it went well....got 2 of my top 3(Garrett & Adams)....and 3 of my top 7(Williams was #6)......all players I feel are elite type impact players....
And the most amazing aspect???..........I picked a WR at #15.....haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 7 (LAC): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 11 (PHI): Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (JAX): Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan (A)
Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (A)
My theory on the late picks.....Rogers and Gonzalez are that Im picking the best(at their positions), rather than picking to 30th best.......
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I don't really see the Titans going for something like that, as I believe they are targeting a potential WR star with one of their picks. Mariota needs a badass stud to toss it to, and once he gets that, he may truly be a force.
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The more sims I do, the more mocks I see, I find that #12 is not in the "impact player" zone of this draft. I thought it once was and, depending upon how the actual draft falls, it may yet be.
Right....I have about 7 players on my hit list for the top 2 picks....which means, depending how they fall, we will get 1 for sure....but not likely 2.....I tend to rank players in groups, instead of individually, so I have 3 Id take at #1.....and 4 that Id hope to get at #12.....which means I can trade back to #3 and still get one of my coveted players......also gives me fuel to move up from #12 to tap the second...
So....Id advocate a short trade back.....then a trade up.....Id also spend next years #1 to obtain another first this year. As bad as we were, added to the prospect that we will be better this season, means next years #1 is at it's highest value right now. If we do well, then that value drops.....PLUS, we are committed to the young guys now, so why not get a head start on next years pick?
Just did a mock, using the above tactics and feel it went well....got 2 of my top 3(Garrett & Adams)....and 3 of my top 7(Williams was #6)......all players I feel are elite type impact players....
And the most amazing aspect???..........I picked a WR at #15.....haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 7 (LAC): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 11 (PHI): Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (JAX): Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan (A)
Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (A)
My theory on the late picks.....Rogers and Gonzalez are that Im picking the best(at their positions), rather than picking to 30th best.......
And the most amazing aspect???..........I picked a WR at #15.....haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 7 (LAC): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 11 (PHI): Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (JAX): Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan (A)
Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (A)
Nicely done Mud. But, how in the H, did you get Philly to trade out of the likes of WR Mike Williams? Or any WR. They need like 4 of them. Remember what you gave up & what Philly took where?
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A scenario I can't see playing out, this one has us taking Jamal Adams #1 overall. Then says Garrett falling to the 49ers is a 'dream scenario'.
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/02/20/2017-nfl-mock-draft-a-new-no-1-for-the-browns/
Everyone knows the 49ers need a QB the same as we do, and that they don't have another high first round pick, yet almost any mock draft with us taking anyone except Garrett sees the 49ers taking him instead. Please don't overthink this, Sashi.
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A safety at #1 could finish Ghoolie off
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000788788/Scouts-combine-for-2017-mock-draft
NFL Network has us taking 2 top players in the draft...there is more chance of Tour and I going 1 and 12 than this happening tho
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000788788/Scouts-combine-for-2017-mock-draft
NFL Network has us taking 2 top players in the draft...there is more chance of Tour and I going 1 and 12 than this happening tho
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000788788/Scouts-combine-for-2017-mock-draft
NFL Network has us taking 2 top players in the draft...there is more chance of Tour and I going 1 and 12 than this happening tho
Garrett AND!!!??? Allen-Browns wet dream!!
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Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A)
Round 1 Pick 2 (S.F.): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Justin Evans, SS, Texas A&M (A-)
Round 4 Pick 35 (COMP): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
Round 5 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OG, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A-)
Round 5 Pick 37 (COMP): Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A)
Your Future Picks:
2019 Round 1 Pick
1a- Garrett- the chosen one.
1b- Trubisky- traded 12, 2nd rounder and a first next year for our QB.
2- McCafferey- Underrated and overlooked, he's a dangerous RB that will change the game.
3- Elflein- Here's our Center.
4a- Evans- He's going to be a Superstar, he's got the talent. Starter.
4b- Hall- The bookend to the other side of the line or a nice rotational with Nassib.
5a- Gennesey- nice solid OG that can step in at RG if Greco needs more time.
5b- Switzer- nice possession receiver with speed and shiftyness, will move to the slot.
5c- Sprinkle- Huge TE target with good blocking skills. He can step in and be productive. Barnidge-DeValve-Sprinkle
6- Rogers- projected as the best FB in the draft. We need one and he's it.
With Elflein, Gennesey, Sprinkle and Rogers our blocking on the offensive side of the ball will be grades better. It should by Trubisky time to find Gordon, Pryor, Coleman and Switzer wide open and provide nice holes for MC to run free. Our Defense has already received an upgrade by picking up Greg Williams, then getting the injured guys back and adding Garrett, Evans and Hall- all starters- we're going to be a very dangerous team.
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Well well, Bucky Brooks has Reuben Foster falling to #27 in his latest mock.
Edit - For some reason the link won't copy and paste but it's on nfl.com
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Mud, I totally agree. I remember when I was pining for the Eagles to continue losing at the end of the year, and a couple of posters made fun of me for paying that much attention, and they said, "It doesn't matter where we pick, we have to pick the right guy no matter where we end up!" Yeah, well it matters now. It matters because most of us amateurs have about 6-8 players that we consider our "impact guys", and while there will certainly be more than that throughout the draft, it certainly MATTERS.
Picking at 12 also knocks us behind 3 or 4 teams that probably need a QB. That REALLY hurts. No matter what your opinion is on Carson Wentz, we passed on him last year, and now we're in the same boat. If we went 1-15 in 2016 with Wentz, we'd be having no issue with taking Garrett at #1, and then proceed to fill out other areas of need. NOW, we have to weight missing a potential blue chip pass rusher and possibly missing the QB we have rated the highest. Make no mistake about it, EVERYONE'S job is on the line right now, and most of it comes down to finding our QB. If we go 3-13 in 2017, but it appears that we finally have our franchise QB, I'm willing to bet everyone will come back, and there will be some freaking optimism. We go 4-12 and still have no idea about the QB....things will get VERY dicey (in my crazy opinion).
We have to get this right, and we have to get our QB. I read that the Bengals are seeking a second round pick for A.J. McCarron...but will they trade within the division? Historically, they haven't. Would they REALLY risk providing a division rival with their franchise QB? The Bengals have benefited for YEARS by us not having a QB worth a damn. Why would they want to change that?
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Yes we need a long term QB but that doesn't mean he is in this draft, reaching for a QB isn't the answer just because we need one.
Everything I've read suggests this is a weak QB class and if that's the case so be it, the wait goes on.
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Mud, I totally agree. I remember when I was pining for the Eagles to continue losing at the end of the year, and a couple of posters made fun of me for paying that much attention, and they said, "It doesn't matter where we pick, we have to pick the right guy no matter where we end up!" Yeah, well it matters now. It matters because most of us amateurs have about 6-8 players that we consider our "impact guys", and while there will certainly be more than that throughout the draft, it certainly MATTERS.
Picking at 12 also knocks us behind 3 or 4 teams that probably need a QB. That REALLY hurts. No matter what your opinion is on Carson Wentz, we passed on him last year, and now we're in the same boat. If we went 1-15 in 2016 with Wentz, we'd be having no issue with taking Garrett at #1, and then proceed to fill out other areas of need. NOW, we have to weight missing a potential blue chip pass rusher and possibly missing the QB we have rated the highest. Make no mistake about it, EVERYONE'S job is on the line right now, and most of it comes down to finding our QB. If we go 3-13 in 2017, but it appears that we finally have our franchise QB, I'm willing to bet everyone will come back, and there will be some freaking optimism. We go 4-12 and still have no idea about the QB....things will get VERY dicey (in my crazy opinion).
We have to get this right, and we have to get our QB. I read that the Bengals are seeking a second round pick for A.J. McCarron...but will they trade within the division? Historically, they haven't. Would they REALLY risk providing a division rival with their franchise QB? The Bengals have benefited for YEARS by us not having a QB worth a damn. Why would they want to change that?
NOW, we have to weight missing a potential blue chip pass rusher and possibly missing the QB we have rated the highest.
If that's the way the decision is actually being framed, then we ought to fire the lot of our FO right now.
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NOW, we have to weight missing a potential blue chip pass rusher and possibly missing the QB we have rated the highest.
If that's the way the decision is actually being framed, then we ought to fire the lot of our FO right now.
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Your score is: 12417 (GRADE: A)Your Picks:Round 1 Pick 1: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A-) Didn't want the flavor of the day in MGRound 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A) Sitting there and why notRound 1 Pick 14 (PHI): Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State (A-) cost a 2018 #1 and 2nd rd #20, but sets a great foundationRound 2 Pick 1: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (B+)Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A-) see above pickRound 4 Pick 5 (LAR): Davis Webb, QB, California ( might of been a reachRound 4 Pick 33 (LAR): Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas (A) depth,starter?Round 4 Pick 34 (COMP): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (A-)Round 5 Pick 1: Jordan Sterns, FS, Oklahoma State (B-) basically a new secondaryRound 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A-) possessionRound 5 Pick 37 (COMP): Storm Norton, OT, Toledo 6ft 8 of massRound 6 Pick 1: Billy Brown, TE, Shepherd (A-) dark horse at te, good valueYour Future Picks:2019 Round 1 Pick
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Your score is: 12417 (GRADE: A)Your Picks:Round 1 Pick 1: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A-) Didn't want the flavor of the day in MGRound 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A) Sitting there and why notRound 1 Pick 14 (PHI): Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State (A-) cost a 2018 #1 and 2nd rd #20, but sets a great foundationRound 2 Pick 1: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (B+)Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A-) see above pickRound 4 Pick 5 (LAR): Davis Webb, QB, California ( might of been a reachRound 4 Pick 33 (LAR): Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas (A) depth,starter?Round 4 Pick 34 (COMP): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (A-)Round 5 Pick 1: Jordan Sterns, FS, Oklahoma State (B-) basically a new secondaryRound 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A-) possessionRound 5 Pick 37 (COMP): Storm Norton, OT, Toledo 6ft 8 of massRound 6 Pick 1: Billy Brown, TE, Shepherd (A-) dark horse at te, good valueYour Future Picks:2019 Round 1 Pick
Your score is: 12417 (GRADE: A)Your Picks:Round 1 Pick 1: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A-)Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A)Round 1 Pick 14 (PHI): Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State (A-)Round 2 Pick 1: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (B+)Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A-)Round 4 Pick 5 (LAR): Davis Webb, QB, California (Round 4 Pick 33 (LAR): Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas (A)Round 4 Pick 34 (COMP): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (A-)Round 5 Pick 1: Jordan Sterns, FS, Oklahoma State (B-)Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A-)Round 5 Pick 37 (COMP): Storm Norton, OT, ToledoRound 6 Pick 1: Billy Brown, TE, Shepherd (A-)Your Future Picks:2019 Round 1 PickI do not believe that a DB has ever been the #1 overall pick in the draft. If this were to happen it would be a first.
The highest DB ever picked though was taken by the Browns: E-Rock Turner #2.
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