Trubisky
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-browns-are-reportedly-strongly-considering-taking-mitch-trubisky-at-no-1/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The few weeks between the end of the NFL season and the start of free agency, and then the few weeks between free agency and the NFL Draft, are often referred to by league observers as lying season (or leverage season). Rumors and innuendo populate the airwaves and dominate the Twittersphere all day, every day, and all the leaks serve a purpose.
Maybe a GM wants to gauge the market for a free agent he likes. Maybe a player’s representatives want to give off the impression that several teams are chasing after him. Or maybe potential draftee’s camp wants it to be known that he has a promise from a team high up in the first round.
Whatever the rumor, there’s always an angle behind it. The rumors are out in full force this week, what with the start of the NFL’s annual scouting combine in Indianapolis, and one that hit on Thursday afternoon is sure to send out at least some minor shockwaves to those that closely follow the draft.
According to Cleveland.com, the Browns are “strongly considering” taking North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky with the No. 1 overall pick. It has long been expected that Texas A&M defensive lineman Myles Garrett will go No. 1, but Cleveland.com states that Trubisky, as well are two other unnamed players, are in the mix along with Garrett, and “he could have a slight edge given that (Browns coach Hue) Jackson said at the Senior Bowl a good quarterback would trump an elite non-QB.”
Jackson would not let on how the team has the quarterbacks ranked heading into the draft, though.
“We kind of have an idea but there’s no final, final (ranking) right now,’’ the Browns coach said. “I think we have an idea heading into it who are the guys that we really want to see more and find out more about, but I think it’s way early to make a decision about exactly where that position is.”
He did say that the things he’s looking for in a QB prospect are arm talent, processing ability, face of the franchise qualities. Those traits make it strange that the fact that Trubisky measured 6-foot-2 1/8 rather than the rumored 6-1 is purportedly a reason he is now in the mix for the No. 1 pick. Height does not fit within any of those boxes.
Given the recent rumors about the New England Patriots not trading Jimmy Garoppolo, it seems entirely possible that this strategic leak is directed at Bill Belichick, by way of letting him know the Browns have other options on the table besides the New England backup. This will all obviously take a while to play out, and more and more leaks are sure to come.
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Draft Grades from NFL.com
Top QBS in 2016:
Wentz 6.53
Goff 6.51
Lynch 6.2
Cook 5.9
Hackenberg 5.6
Brissett 5.5
Prescott 5.4
Kessler 5.4
Top QBs in 2017
Trubisky 6.7
Watson 6.3
Mahomes 5.9
Kizer 5.9
Peterman 5.8
Kaaya 5.6
Davis 5.3
Top overall grades 2016
Tunsil 7.6
Buckner 7.2
Elliott 7.1
Ramsey 6.8
Bosa 6.7
Hargraves 6.6
Stanley 6.5
Wentz 6.5
Goff 6.5
Floyd 6.5
Top overall grades 2017
Garrett 7.6
Fournette 7.1
Thomas 6.8
Allen 6.8
Hooker 6.7
Trubisky 6.7
Adams 6.6
Charlton 6.5
McDowell 6.5
Cook 6.5
After putting the various metrics through the Analytics machine I wonder who the machine says to draft first this year? Obviously Garrett, but Trubisky sports a better grade than any QB drafted last year - how does that weigh into the equation? Does the machine select the best football player that has a higher rating than any player taken last year (Garrett) or does it pick the highest rated player at the most important position on the field (Trubisky)? If faced with taking Julius Peppers or Mathew Stafford - players that the two prospects have been compared to - who would you rather have? A no-brainer (Stafford).
Sashi, take the slide rule out of your pocket protector, get to work, and don't screw this up.
Draft Grades from NFL.com
Top overall grades 2017
Garrett 7.6
Fournette 7.1
Thomas 6.8
Allen 6.8
Hooker 6.7
Trubisky 6.7
Adams 6.6
Charlton 6.5
McDowell 6.5
Cook 6.5
...but what are their values to an NFL football team of today?
You would have to factor in the position that the player plays and/or is projected to play.
You'd have to have a position value chart. This chart would rate positions assuming that each position is a position of need (kinda' like OUR team).
The QB position would be heavily weighted since it's head and shoulders more vital to winning games than any other position.
Certainly...the long snapper position would not have that same type of value....we're all set there anyway, we've got the highest paid long snapper in the league.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
I'm betting that if we took Trubisky with the #1 overall we would get bashed. But if SanFran were to take him at #2, it would be fine.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Draft Grades from NFL.com
Top overall grades 2017
Garrett 7.6
Fournette 7.1
Thomas 6.8
Allen 6.8
Hooker 6.7
Trubisky 6.7
Adams 6.6
Charlton 6.5
McDowell 6.5
Cook 6.5
...but what are their values to an NFL football team of today?
You would have to factor in the position that the player plays and/or is projected to play.
You'd have to have a position value chart. This chart would rate positions assuming that each position is a position of need (kinda' like OUR team).
The QB position would be heavily weighted since it's head and shoulders more vital to winning games than any other position.
Certainly...the long snapper position would not have that same type of value....we're all set there anyway, we've got the highest paid long snapper in the league.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
I'm betting that if we took Trubisky with the #1 overall we would get bashed. But if SanFran were to take him at #2, it would be fine.
...but what are their values to an NFL football team of today?
You would have to factor in the position that the player plays and/or is projected to play.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?I'm betting that if we took Trubisky with the #1 overall we would get bashed. But if SanFran were to take him at #2, it would be fine.
Franchise qb always trumps anything else if you don't have one. The usual value for the top three goes like this-
1) QB
2) Edge Rusher
3) Left Tackle
I had to look up the NFL value chart. and it's as I suspected...... The hype machine on Garrett is in full force. Doesn't come close @ 7.6 to that magical "9" +. FWIW, & FYI QBs individual skill sets gets broken down on the same grading system, John Elway is the only QB I'm aware of that ever got a "9" on arm strength. Predraft one scout famously said of him- "he can throw the ball through a car wash and have it come out dry on the other side."
That said, if the honest rating is Garrett 7.6, and Trubisky a 6.7 it makes the decision a little bit tougher from a value perspective. For kicks and giggles, I looked up these guys predraft ratings.
Garropolo 5.8, McCarron 5.7 still interested? They changed the way they rate players a few years ago, but Andrew Luck came in at a 97, which I would assume would truly translate to a "9" grade today.9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player
8.00-9.00 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl to All-Pro Ability
6.50-6.99 Good NFL Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
6.00-6.49 Chance to become good NFL starter
5.70-5.99 Could become early NFL starter
5.30-5.69 Backup or eventual starter
5.15-5.29 Developmental prospect or special teams potential
5.01-5.14 Back end of the roster
5.00 50/50 Chance of making the roster
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The 97 doesn't translate to a 9 because lots of other guys were in the 90s iirc. The 9 is just silly because they will never give it to anyone.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-browns-are-reportedly-strongly-considering-taking-mitch-trubisky-at-no-1/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The few weeks between the end of the NFL season and the start of free agency, and then the few weeks between free agency and the NFL Draft, are often referred to by league observers as lying season (or leverage season). Rumors and innuendo populate the airwaves and dominate the Twittersphere all day, every day, and all the leaks serve a purpose.
Maybe a GM wants to gauge the market for a free agent he likes. Maybe a player’s representatives want to give off the impression that several teams are chasing after him. Or maybe potential draftee’s camp wants it to be known that he has a promise from a team high up in the first round.
Whatever the rumor, there’s always an angle behind it. The rumors are out in full force this week, what with the start of the NFL’s annual scouting combine in Indianapolis, and one that hit on Thursday afternoon is sure to send out at least some minor shockwaves to those that closely follow the draft.
According to Cleveland.com, the Browns are “strongly considering” taking North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky with the No. 1 overall pick. It has long been expected that Texas A&M defensive lineman Myles Garrett will go No. 1, but Cleveland.com states that Trubisky, as well are two other unnamed players, are in the mix along with Garrett, and “he could have a slight edge given that (Browns coach Hue) Jackson said at the Senior Bowl a good quarterback would trump an elite non-QB.”
Jackson would not let on how the team has the quarterbacks ranked heading into the draft, though.
“We kind of have an idea but there’s no final, final (ranking) right now,’’ the Browns coach said. “I think we have an idea heading into it who are the guys that we really want to see more and find out more about, but I think it’s way early to make a decision about exactly where that position is.”
He did say that the things he’s looking for in a QB prospect are arm talent, processing ability, face of the franchise qualities. Those traits make it strange that the fact that Trubisky measured 6-foot-2 1/8 rather than the rumored 6-1 is purportedly a reason he is now in the mix for the No. 1 pick. Height does not fit within any of those boxes.
Given the recent rumors about the New England Patriots not trading Jimmy Garoppolo, it seems entirely possible that this strategic leak is directed at Bill Belichick, by way of letting him know the Browns have other options on the table besides the New England backup. This will all obviously take a while to play out, and more and more leaks are sure to come.
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The few weeks between the end of the NFL season and the start of free agency, and then the few weeks between free agency and the NFL Draft, are often referred to by league observers as lying season (or leverage season). Rumors and innuendo populate the airwaves and dominate the Twittersphere all day, every day, and all the leaks serve a purpose.
Maybe a GM wants to gauge the market for a free agent he likes. Maybe a player’s representatives want to give off the impression that several teams are chasing after him. Or maybe potential draftee’s camp wants it to be known that he has a promise from a team high up in the first round.
Whatever the rumor, there’s always an angle behind it. The rumors are out in full force this week, what with the start of the NFL’s annual scouting combine in Indianapolis, and one that hit on Thursday afternoon is sure to send out at least some minor shockwaves to those that closely follow the draft.
According to Cleveland.com, the Browns are “strongly considering” taking North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky with the No. 1 overall pick. It has long been expected that Texas A&M defensive lineman Myles Garrett will go No. 1, but Cleveland.com states that Trubisky, as well are two other unnamed players, are in the mix along with Garrett, and “he could have a slight edge given that (Browns coach Hue) Jackson said at the Senior Bowl a good quarterback would trump an elite non-QB.”
Jackson would not let on how the team has the quarterbacks ranked heading into the draft, though.
“We kind of have an idea but there’s no final, final (ranking) right now,’’ the Browns coach said. “I think we have an idea heading into it who are the guys that we really want to see more and find out more about, but I think it’s way early to make a decision about exactly where that position is.”
He did say that the things he’s looking for in a QB prospect are arm talent, processing ability, face of the franchise qualities. Those traits make it strange that the fact that Trubisky measured 6-foot-2 1/8 rather than the rumored 6-1 is purportedly a reason he is now in the mix for the No. 1 pick. Height does not fit within any of those boxes.
Given the recent rumors about the New England Patriots not trading Jimmy Garoppolo, it seems entirely possible that this strategic leak is directed at Bill Belichick, by way of letting him know the Browns have other options on the table besides the New England backup. This will all obviously take a while to play out, and more and more leaks are sure to come.
I think that JG is only like 6'1" no?
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Top QBs in 2017
Trubisky 6.7
Watson 6.3
Mahomes 5.9
Kizer 5.9
Peterman 5.8
Kaaya 5.6
Davis 5.3If I recall from reading this before, the grade on Trubisky is actually higher than not only that of Wentz/Goff....but may have also been higher than Winston/Mariota. (or at least Mariota). In fact, you may have to go back to Luck to find one with a higher grade.
(then again, RG may have had a higher grade as well)
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Who is responsible for the grades?
If it's Ray Farmer I'm out...
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Who is responsible for the grades?
If it's Ray Farmer I'm out...
Who is responsible for the grades?
If it's Ray Farmer I'm out...
They said it was from NFL.com.....not sure if it is a single writer or a committee. or a computer or what.
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Draft Grades from NFL.com
Top overall grades 2017
Garrett 7.6
Fournette 7.1
Thomas 6.8
Allen 6.8
Hooker 6.7
Trubisky 6.7
Adams 6.6
Charlton 6.5
McDowell 6.5
Cook 6.5
...but what are their values to an NFL football team of today?
You would have to factor in the position that the player plays and/or is projected to play.
You'd have to have a position value chart. This chart would rate positions assuming that each position is a position of need (kinda' like OUR team).
The QB position would be heavily weighted since it's head and shoulders more vital to winning games than any other position.
Certainly...the long snapper position would not have that same type of value....we're all set there anyway, we've got the highest paid long snapper in the league.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
I'm betting that if we took Trubisky with the #1 overall we would get bashed. But if SanFran were to take him at #2, it would be fine.
...but what are their values to an NFL football team of today?
You would have to factor in the position that the player plays and/or is projected to play.
You'd have to have a position value chart. This chart would rate positions assuming that each position is a position of need (kinda' like OUR team).
The QB position would be heavily weighted since it's head and shoulders more vital to winning games than any other position.
Certainly...the long snapper position would not have that same type of value....we're all set there anyway, we've got the highest paid long snapper in the league.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
One would hope. Which makes me curious about what the various metrics are that go into the Analytics machine before it spits out who to draft.
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Draft Grades from NFL.com
Top overall grades 2017
Garrett 7.6
Fournette 7.1
Thomas 6.8
Allen 6.8
Hooker 6.7
Trubisky 6.7
Adams 6.6
Charlton 6.5
McDowell 6.5
Cook 6.5
...but what are their values to an NFL football team of today?
You would have to factor in the position that the player plays and/or is projected to play.
You'd have to have a position value chart. This chart would rate positions assuming that each position is a position of need (kinda' like OUR team).
The QB position would be heavily weighted since it's head and shoulders more vital to winning games than any other position.
Certainly...the long snapper position would not have that same type of value....we're all set there anyway, we've got the highest paid long snapper in the league.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
I'm betting that if we took Trubisky with the #1 overall we would get bashed. But if SanFran were to take him at #2, it would be fine.
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
No... and here is why without debating the individual grades.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade
In assembling a board the first thing you do is group players into BPA clusters by how you graded them. There's no way that the difference between a 6.0 and a 5.9 is significant, but the 12% difference between a 7.6 and 6.7 sure as hell should be.
Taking the NFL grades as they are says the top group in the 2017 draft includes at most two players: Garrett and Fournette. Now you apply your need, position weight factors to that grouping... and you take Garrett.
Next you move to the second grouping which I'd argue runs from Solomon/Allen at 6.8 down to Njoku at 6.4. In this group, Trubs zooms to the top based upon position value/need.
What you do not do...
what you cannot do...
what we have done in the past and have regretted doing time after time...
... is allow Need/Value to leapfrog a player from one BPA grouping to the next.
Ask this...
Who is arguing that a QB is the best player in this draft?
Who is arguing that there is a QB in this draft as dominant at his position as Garrett is at his?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Ask this...
Who is arguing that a QB is the best player in this draft?
Who is arguing that there is a QB in this draft as dominant at his position as Garrett is at his?
And who says that just because a player gets the top grade pre draft they it will mean diddly squat when it comes to actually playing the pro game?Levi Brown, Aaron Curry, Gaines Adams, Dion Jordan, Jamarcus Russell< Jason Smith, Trent Richardson....etc. etc etc may have any one of them had the highest pre draft grade....and became the biggest post draft busts.
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NFL.com player ratings from the 2014 draft:
J. Clowney 7.5
G. Robinson 7.5
S. Watkins 7.3
J. Mathews 7.3
K. Mack 7.2
2015
L. Williams 7.5
A. Cooper 7.1
K. White 6.9
D. Fowler 6.9
Apparently more top-end talent in 2014 than in the 2017 draft. However, Garrett's 7.6 is looking very strong.
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Trubisky is picking up a lot of steam in the draft and is interviewing extremely well
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BTW, he wants to be called "Mitchell" not Mitch.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
So, is it at all possible that the #6 rated player in the draft actually has more overall team value than the #1 rated player in the draft?
No... and here is why without debating the individual grades.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade
In assembling a board the first thing you do is group players into BPA clusters by how you graded them. There's no way that the difference between a 6.0 and a 5.9 is significant, but the 12% difference between a 7.6 and 6.7 sure as hell should be.
Taking the NFL grades as they are says the top group in the 2017 draft includes at most two players: Garrett and Fournette. Now you apply your need, position weight factors to that grouping... and you take Garrett.
Next you move to the second grouping which I'd argue runs from Solomon/Allen at 6.8 down to Njoku at 6.4. In this group, Trubs zooms to the top based upon position value/need.
What you do not do...
what you cannot do...
what we have done in the past and have regretted doing time after time...
... is allow Need/Value to leapfrog a player from one BPA grouping to the next.
Ask this...
Who is arguing that a QB is the best player in this draft?
Who is arguing that there is a QB in this draft as dominant at his position as Garrett is at his?
Ask this...
Who is arguing that a QB is the best player in this draft?
Who is arguing that there is a QB in this draft as dominant at his position as Garrett is at his?
...dunno, not me.
But who's going to throw more TD passes?
There's ten other guys to help tackle people.
He won't make it past the #3 overall pick. And that's because the position is so very important to a team's success. (heavily weighted)
...just sayin'
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Ask this...
Who is arguing that a QB is the best player in this draft?
Who is arguing that there is a QB in this draft as dominant at his position as Garrett is at his?
...dunno, not me.
But who's going to throw more TD passes?
There's ten other guys to help tackle people.
He won't make it past the #3 overall pick. And that's because the position is so very important to a team's success. (heavily weighted)
...just sayin'
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Oh wow, 6'2"?
Still don't want him in the 1st
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I'm crossing my fingers that if we do end up going Garrett #1... that SF sees Watson or that ND QB as a better fit and then the other QB needy teams so Trubisky as a project QB, one they are not willing to give the time to develop like we may and he slips to us at 12... I mean it's not that likely but with him only having 1 year starting college exp... there's at least a slim shot at it happening...
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BTW, he wants to be called "Mitchell" not Mitch.
BTW, he wants to be called "Mitchell" not Mitch.
That's gay.
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Top QBs in 2017
Trubisky 6.7
Watson 6.3
Mahomes 5.9
Kizer 5.9
Peterman 5.8
Kaaya 5.6
Davis 5.3If I recall from reading this before, the grade on Trubisky is actually higher than not only that of Wentz/Goff....but may have also been higher than Winston/Mariota. (or at least Mariota). In fact, you may have to go back to Luck to find one with a higher grade.
(then again, RG may have had a higher grade as well)
If I recall from reading this before, the grade on Trubisky is actually higher than not only that of Wentz/Goff....but may have also been higher than Winston/Mariota. (or at least Mariota). In fact, you may have to go back to Luck to find one with a higher grade.
(then again, RG may have had a higher grade as well)
Correct that Mitch rates higher than all, except Winston who got an identical grade. If Garrett wasn't in this draft- it would be a no brainer.
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