Camp Barnett for #12
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You could argue he's just as good a player as Garrett at the moment. But he is nowhere near as good a prospect. A prospect is about a guy's ceiling. Myles' is MUCH higher than Barnett's.
They didn't really have the same competition. The SEC East hasn't had near the talent of the West. In the last three years alone you've had Cam Robinson, Greg Robinson, La'el Collins, Dan Skipper (who will get drafted this year), and Laremy Tunsil. That's three (maybe four if not for Collins' arrest) first rounders and these are just off the top of my head. I can't think of any first round OTs from the East.
Are all you Gayrett fags going to come in with the same line?
Barnett had more sacks....more tackles for loss.
Gayrett had over half his sacks against the little sisters.
So...apparently, those OL you mentioned....perhaps NFL caliber OL handled Garrett. Not a good recommendation for him.
I don't know how Barnett's numbers crunched on his totals: cupcakes vs. non cupcakes.
But I suspect it is not as bad as Garrett's.
Besides....I am saying to take Barnett at 12, not at 1.
And I am saying we MAY actually get as good or better of a prospect.
While you think that Garrett may have a better upside....I for one am not so sure....and that is just a prediction, not a fact.
For all we really know, Barnett could be the next Reggie White and Garrett the next Courtney Brown.
Garrett the next Courtney Brown.
Does it ever get old saying this? We get it.
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All that said, I wouldn't really be opposed to this. But I'm not sure Barnett is that much better than Ogbah, Orchard, and Nassib. DE is really not a huge need. The only reason we're going to take Garrett is because he is far and away BPA. Outside of that, we can use our first rounders elsewhere.
And we don't really know if Garrett will turn out better than Ogbah, Orchard and Nassib.
We won't know diddly for 3 years.
And we don't really know if Garrett will turn out better than Ogbah, Orchard and Nassib.
We won't know diddly for 3 years.
So then why are you talking about it?
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Gip-see my post on the SEC competition difference on the Beware the next Jeff George thread. I see war has made the same argument here as well. East does not equal West SEC. And I personally like Solomon better than Barnett.
Yes, I see the circle jerk you two are doing....and I basically dismiss this "Oh the SEC west is so so much better than the SEC East).
If the SEC West is better....it is because it has Alabama...and that is it. Otherwise, I see very little difference in the two divisions....at least in terms of this last season.
I guess we could take this aspect of the discussion over to the College Board, but, stronger or not.....Garrett seemingly fared poorly against the so called stronger division.
If you can come up with figures that shows that Barnett got as many of his sacks against the cupcakes on his schedule as Garrett did...then we may have a discussion.
Yes, I see the circle jerk you two are doing....and I basically dismiss this "Oh the SEC west is so so much better than the SEC East).
If the SEC West is better....it is because it has Alabama...and that is it. Otherwise, I see very little difference in the two divisions....at least in terms of this last season.
I guess we could take this aspect of the discussion over to the College Board, but, stronger or not.....Garrett seemingly fared poorly against the so called stronger division.
If you can come up with figures that shows that Barnett got as many of his sacks against the cupcakes on his schedule as Garrett did...then we may have a discussion.
Or it's because of the 3 or 4 first round OTs the West has churned out in recent years compared to the East's 0....
Only one of those came from Alabama. But keep talking out your arse.
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Taking two defensive ends is dumb.
But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.
Taking two defensive ends is dumb.
But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.
No it certainly isn't. One of the latest mocks from an NFL network guy had only 2 QB's in the first round and none till like pick 18 or 19.
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If stats are all that matter, why even take Barnett? I believe all three of Ogbah, Nassib, and Orchard had more sacks than Barnett (and Garrett) in their final college seasons.
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Barnett isn't explosive, isn't quick twitch, etc. Solomon is, but Garrett is even more so.
Solomon won't be there at 12, end of story I think. I believe it's Garrett, as much as I like
Trubisky.
But, if it were up to me.... New England is waiting for during the draft to see if they can get a high first round
pick from a dumb, needy team. Failing that, I think they will stop being asswholes, and trade Garopollo for the
Browns #33 pick, which gives them two picks at the bottom of the first round. They could do a lot with those.
Then the rest of the draft the Browns can find cb's/safties.
The big question is... will Williams think that he has the DL pieces already
With the 12 pick.... I'm looking at Howard, TE. and...
I'm looking at Gareon Conley, CB. Watching the combine, though I haven't seen all the
db's, Conley stands out in drills - he's really fluid on the loose hips drill whatever you call it.
Either one of those players will be outstanding for the Browns. But, I'm looking at a third
player.
Howard, best player. Conley, after a predicted run on cb's... bpa.
Remember when Eric Fisher, OT/G was drafted at the top of the draft, #1 overall?
Well, this draft is good at TE's... really deep at dbs.
I am looking at Forrest Lamp, OT/OG. Why not? this kid would be perfect, could fill in
at either tackle, start at OG, I think he could start at RT. He's very, very, very smart -
ranked in the top five in power - loves the game high character ,etc etc.
The trouble is, waiting for the end of the first round to find out if you get that trade...is so dumb it
will not happen.
So what DOES happen? I am not sure that the qb's will go in the top ten.
Garrett at one, Trubisky at 12, would make most Browns fans happy?
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And we don't really know if Garrett will turn out better than Ogbah, Orchard and Nassib.
We won't know diddly for 3 years.
So then why are you talking about it?
So then why are you talking about it?
How else to counter your fagginess toward Gayrett?
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Yes, I see the circle jerk you two are doing....and I basically dismiss this "Oh the SEC west is so so much better than the SEC East).
If the SEC West is better....it is because it has Alabama...and that is it. Otherwise, I see very little difference in the two divisions....at least in terms of this last season.
I guess we could take this aspect of the discussion over to the College Board, but, stronger or not.....Garrett seemingly fared poorly against the so called stronger division.
If you can come up with figures that shows that Barnett got as many of his sacks against the cupcakes on his schedule as Garrett did...then we may have a discussion.
Or it's because of the 3 or 4 first round OTs the West has churned out in recent years compared to the East's 0....
Only one of those came from Alabama. But keep talking out your arse.
Or it's because of the 3 or 4 first round OTs the West has churned out in recent years compared to the East's 0....
Only one of those came from Alabama. But keep talking out your arse.
It is still NOT a counter as to why most of Garrett's sack production came against D-1AA level competition.
He didn't do so well against the "great" OTs of the SEC West. Well....apparently he didn't do so great against anyone that was not DII....SEC West/East....P5 non conf. competition, anyone.
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One of my favorite things is Gipper digging in his heels about a guy who is easily the top prospect in this draft.
In three years, this is going to be so much fun to revisit.
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If stats are all that matter, why even take Barnett? I believe all three of Ogbah, Nassib, and Orchard had more sacks than Barnett (and Garrett) in their final college seasons.
If stats are all that matter, why even take Barnett? I believe all three of Ogbah, Nassib, and Orchard had more sacks than Barnett (and Garrett) in their final college seasons.
And for all we know...those 4 guys may in fact turn out to become better pros than Garrett.
We just don't know.
And this is my point: Taking Garrett is no less a risk than taking Trubisky...or Watson...or Barnett...or Allen...or anyone.
They all have the potential to succeed...and the potential to fail. Garrett just as much as any of the others.
So, to Quote Dennis Green: Crown his ass if you want. We won't know if he turns out to be Alfred the Great or Richard III for quite a while.
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One of my favorite things is Gipper digging in his heels about a guy who is easily the top prospect in this draft.
In three years, this is going to be so much fun to revisit.
One of my favorite things is Gipper digging in his heels about a guy who is easily the top prospect in this draft.
In three years, this is going to be so much fun to revisit.
I am not even denying that he may perhaps be the top prospect in the draft.
As I said...it is not ME that gets personally affronted that others have a choice they believe in or that perhaps the guy that I want could end up a bust....history only proves that possibility.
It is these others that get offended that anyone would consider another option other than the guy they want...they guy they think walks on water.
If the Browns draft him....I hope he does walk on water. But...unlike these other fags....I fully understand the potential for sinkage. They apparently don't.
(again...Browns history demands that we consider the fallibility of our draft choices)
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Barnett isn't explosive, isn't quick twitch, etc. Solomon is, but Garrett is even more so.
Solomon won't be there at 12, end of story I think. I believe it's Garrett, as much as I like
Trubisky.
But, if it were up to me.... New England is waiting for during the draft to see if they can get a high first round
pick from a dumb, needy team. Failing that, I think they will stop being asswholes, and trade Garopollo for the
Browns #33 pick, which gives them two picks at the bottom of the first round. They could do a lot with those.
Then the rest of the draft the Browns can find cb's/safties.
The big question is... will Williams think that he has the DL pieces already
With the 12 pick.... I'm looking at Howard, TE. and...
I'm looking at Gareon Conley, CB. Watching the combine, though I haven't seen all the
db's, Conley stands out in drills - he's really fluid on the loose hips drill whatever you call it.
Either one of those players will be outstanding for the Browns. But, I'm looking at a third
player.
Howard, best player. Conley, after a predicted run on cb's... bpa.
Remember when Eric Fisher, OT/G was drafted at the top of the draft, #1 overall?
Well, this draft is good at TE's... really deep at dbs.
I am looking at Forrest Lamp, OT/OG. Why not? this kid would be perfect, could fill in
at either tackle, start at OG, I think he could start at RT. He's very, very, very smart -
ranked in the top five in power - loves the game high character ,etc etc.
The trouble is, waiting for the end of the first round to find out if you get that trade...is so dumb it
will not happen.
So what DOES happen? I am not sure that the qb's will go in the top ten.
Garrett at one, Trubisky at 12, would make most Browns fans happy?
I am looking at Forrest Lamp, OT/OG. Why not? this kid would be perfect, could fill in at either tackle, start at OG, I think he could start at RT. He's very, very, very smart - ranked in the top five in power - loves the game high character ,etc etc.... and he can reportedly play Center.
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One of my favorite things is Gipper digging in his heels about a guy who is easily the top prospect in this draft.
In three years, this is going to be so much fun to revisit.
I am not even denying that he may perhaps be the top prospect in the draft.
As I said...it is not ME that gets personally affronted that others have a choice they believe in or that perhaps the guy that I want could end up a bust....history only proves that possibility.
It is these others that get offended that anyone would consider another option other than the guy they want...they guy they think walks on water.
If the Browns draft him....I hope he does walk on water. But...unlike these other fags....I fully understand the potential for sinkage. They apparently don't.
(again...Browns history demands that we consider the fallibility of our draft choices)
I am not even denying that he may perhaps be the top prospect in the draft.
As I said...it is not ME that gets personally affronted that others have a choice they believe in or that perhaps the guy that I want could end up a bust....history only proves that possibility.
It is these others that get offended that anyone would consider another option other than the guy they want...they guy they think walks on water.
If the Browns draft him....I hope he does walk on water. But...unlike these other fags....I fully understand the potential for sinkage. They apparently don't.
(again...Browns history demands that we consider the fallibility of our draft choices)
So you understand that Trubisky isn't that good and his potential for sinkage is much higher, then?
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I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
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I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
Only way we take a QB at 12 is if all the QB's fall to that point which is a possibility depending on how FA and any trades shape up in the next few weeks.
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I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
Peterman and Dobbs top my mid round wishlist. I think we'd err more toward Dobbs because Hue apparently enjoyed working with him and he's more athletically talented than Peterman, but I would be happy with either of the two.
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We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
Peterman and Dobbs top my mid round wishlist. I think we'd err more toward Dobbs because Hue apparently enjoyed working with him and he's more athletically talented than Peterman, but I would be happy with either of the two.
I think we'd err more toward Dobbs because Hue apparently enjoyed working with him...
I think it was Riddick that was commenting on the Hue-Dobbs connection at the Sr. Bowl and the progress Dobbs made under Hue's tutelage through the week.
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I think we'd err more toward Dobbs because Hue apparently enjoyed working with him...
I think it was Riddick that was commenting on the Hue-Dobbs connection at the Sr. Bowl and the progress Dobbs made under Hue's tutelage through the week.
I think it was Riddick that was commenting on the Hue-Dobbs connection at the Sr. Bowl and the progress Dobbs made under Hue's tutelage through the week.
I can't shake the feeling he's the guy we have our eye on.
I'm going back and watching tape on him this week when I have some time. He checks every single box as far as size, intangibles, and athletic ability. Biggest concerns for me are his footwork and his ability to process reads - both of which seem to be general-consensus knocks on him. One can be fixed...while the other could be as well.
If the guy is anything, it's smart.
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I am not even denying that he may perhaps be the top prospect in the draft.
As I said...it is not ME that gets personally affronted that others have a choice they believe in or that perhaps the guy that I want could end up a bust....history only proves that possibility.
It is these others that get offended that anyone would consider another option other than the guy they want...they guy they think walks on water.
If the Browns draft him....I hope he does walk on water. But...unlike these other fags....I fully understand the potential for sinkage. They apparently don't.
(again...Browns history demands that we consider the fallibility of our draft choices)
So you understand that Trubisky isn't that good and his potential for sinkage is much higher, then?
So you understand that Trubisky isn't that good and his potential for sinkage is much higher, then?
No, are you dyslexic? Trub is better than any prospect in this draft.....and his potential for sinkage level is the same as anyone else in the draft.
It is just a fact though that ANY high 1st round draft pick that goes bust, particularly a QB is perceived to have been a greater disaster than players at other positions....because they are a QB.
And I suspect YOU know that. You just want to be querulous about it.
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I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
We aren't taking a QB at #1 and we aren't passing on Garrett.
I doubt we take a QB at 12 unless it is part of a trade. I am thinking Nate Peterman with one of the 2nd rounders. A good looking prospect not many talk about.
And why....considering that a QB IS the #1 priority...the #1 biggest hole this team has?
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