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  • I maybe taking crazy pills here, but with the latest news coming out that Glennon is going to Chicago, Hoyer is going to SF, and TT just restructured with the BIlls, doesn't this put the Browns in the driver's seat for whichever qb they want in the draft? Also, doesn't this lower the asking price for Garrapolo? Whom is going to trade for him now? It's not going to be chicago or SF. NE won't trade within the divsion (Jets). I could see a team such as NO or AZ, perhaps. Look at the Draft order:

    1. Cleveland Browns- Take Garrett with no hesitation
    2. San Francisco 49ers- Will take a qb at some point, but not this high. It wouldn't surprise me if they trade out
    3. Chicago Bears-No way they take a qb here if they sign Glennon
    4. Jacksonville Jaguars-Don't need a qb (at least in their eyes)
    5. Tennessee Titans from Los Angeles Rams-Don't need a qb
    6. New York Jets- They need a qb but have so many other needs. They are gutting their roster. I think they trade down
    7. Los Angeles Chargers-Don't need a qb
    8. Carolina Panthers-Don't need a qb
    9. Cincinnati Bengals-Don't need a qb
    10. Buffalo Bills-Don't need a qb
    11. New Orleans Saints- I can see a qb getting drafted in this spot as a potential replacement for Brees
    12. Cleveland Browns from Philadelphia Eagles -BINGO. Even if one qb goes ahead of them, they still have either Watson or Trubs

    In all honesty, they could even trade up anywhere between 6-10 and not give up that much and get the guy they want. I really think this is going to work out better than they were thinking

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @bigalow80 said:

    I maybe taking crazy pills here, but with the latest news coming out that Glennon is going to Chicago, Hoyer is going to SF, and TT just restructured with the BIlls, doesn't this put the Browns in the driver's seat for whichever qb they want in the draft? Also, doesn't this lower the asking price for Garrapolo? Whom is going to trade for him now? It's not going to be chicago or SF. NE won't trade within the divsion (Jets). I could see a team such as NO or AZ, perhaps. Look at the Draft order:

    1. Cleveland Browns- Take Garrett with no hesitation

    2. San Francisco 49ers- Will take a qb at some point, but not this high. It wouldn't surprise me if they trade out

    3. Chicago Bears-No way they take a qb here if they sign Glennon

    4. Jacksonville Jaguars-Don't need a qb (at least in their eyes)

    5. Tennessee Titans from Los Angeles Rams-Don't need a qb

    6. New York Jets- They need a qb but have so many other needs. They are gutting their roster. I think they trade down

    7. Los Angeles Chargers-Don't need a qb

    8. Carolina Panthers-Don't need a qb

    9. Cincinnati Bengals-Don't need a qb

    10. Buffalo Bills-Don't need a qb

    11. New Orleans Saints- I can see a qb getting drafted in this spot as a potential replacement for Brees

    12. Cleveland Browns from Philadelphia Eagles -BINGO. Even if one qb goes ahead of them, they still have either Watson or Trubs

    In all honesty, they could even trade up anywhere between 6-10 and not give up that much and get the guy they want. I really think this is going to work out better than they were thinking

    Gip is pretty spot on. Hoyer could just be the"bridge" qb. They may well draft a qb @ #2, or trade for Cousins. Or, assuming Cousins wants out of Washington, they can just bide their time an make him an offer next year. They're pretty much in the same boat talent wise that the Browns are. Besides the Saints- I could see the Chargers in the market for an eventual Rivers replacement.

    @the-gipper said:

    I don't see the fact that Hoyer may be going to the Niners as evidence that they would not take a QB at #2. Why would you think that? Hoyer is a backup...bridge QB at best. And they still have sights set on Cousins perhaps. If Cousins goes there, that is a complete different story.

    And if Cousins does go to SFO...what do the Skins get in return? #2 overall? If that is the case then the Redskins are definite players for a QB at #2. Do you think they would just go into the season relying on Colt McCoy? Nyet.

    If this falls out as suggested above, it's entirely possible Trubs (or Watson- yuck) maybe both- could be there @ #12. If the 49ers don't take a qb, a trade up with the Jets just got a lot more attractive.

  • @tour2ma said:

    So seems as if Sheard will be hitting FA...

    How so? Dwayne Allen = TE? Salary implications?

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    Jesus Christ people... we did not sign a fucking FB! We'll miss him at least 6 plays a game...

    Sorry... just spent an hour in the Political section and had some carry over.

    @gftchris said:

    How so? Dwayne Allen = TE? Salary implications?

    More like brainfart...

    Somehow got Dwight Freeney in my head, but only because he played there a few years ago and the names are so dissimilar...

    @d-bone said:

    Why do I have the sinking feeling that 2 weeks from now, the Browns will have done nothing and they will be telling us to 'trust the process'?

    Hope I'm wrong, but............

    I'll be there for you, D... it'll be alright...

  • So the real question becomes how many teams really need a QB after the 12th overall. Can we get away with waiting until #33?

    I think some of the mocks are showing that now.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    So the real question becomes how many teams really need a QB after the 12th overall. Can we get away with waiting until #33?

    I think some of the mocks are showing that now.

    Teams with most dire QB needs:

    Browns

    49ers

    Bears

    Jets

    Others that may be interested in developing a QB:

    Chargers

    Cardinals

    Texans

    Chiefs

    Saints

    Jags

    Steelers

    Giants

    Some of these latter teams have 35+ year old QBs...they need to start to think of the future...and may do so this year.

  • Why do I have the sinking feeling that 2 weeks from now, the Browns will have done nothing and they will be telling us to 'trust the process'?

    Hope I'm wrong, but............

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @d-bone said:

    Why do I have the sinking feeling that 2 weeks from now, the Browns will have done nothing and they will be telling us to 'trust the process'?

    Hope I'm wrong, but............

    Because their analytics will supposedly tell them not to spend an additional farthing more than their math computation says to....and they are slaves to their mathematics....which of course means that they exercise poor human judgment.

  • L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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    You've clearly missed the Britt news then because that has nothing to do with maths and supposed value I'm sure.

    Analytics is a word thrown around and 99.9999% of you have no idea what it is meant to mean.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    It may have been posted somewhere else, but the Browns met privately with Joe Mixon (aka the woman basher) before his pro day:

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/_/id/18850454/joe-mixon-met-privately-cincinnati-bengals-cleveland-browns-detroit-lions-new-orleans-saints-ahead-pro-day

    Disheartening to me to say the least. I understand it's just a meeting and could mean nothing but I don't get why you meet with the dude at all. That's a nightmare PR scenario waiting to happen.

    The guy went through the legal system. The guy went through suspension for what he did in college.

    He has suffered through the reprimands that society and the college sport system saw fit.

    Should he now be barred forever from attaining some kind of living doing what he is good at?

    After you beat your wife were you allowed to go back to your job...or at least pursue a job in your field of endeavour?

    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    The guy went through the legal system. The guy went through suspension for what he did in college.

    He has suffered through the reprimands that society and the college sport system saw fit.

    Should he now be barred forever from attaining some kind of living doing what he is good at?

    After you beat your wife were you allowed to go back to your job...or at least pursue a job in your field of endeavour?

    So have a lot of guys, but some people just aren't worth the backlash they will bring to your organization. It's just not worth it.

    Also, I tell students all the time there are such things as non-negotiable mistakes. I would classify punching a woman in the face so hard she can't eat out of it as pretty fucking bad.

  • darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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    Patriots swapping Malcolm Butler for Brandin Cooks ....already signing Allen and Gilmore ....... Pats making deals like a 1-15 team ....

  • @the-gipper said:

    The guy went through the legal system. The guy went through suspension for what he did in college.

    He has suffered through the reprimands that society and the college sport system saw fit.

    Should he now be barred forever from attaining some kind of living doing what he is good at?

    After you beat your wife were you allowed to go back to your job...or at least pursue a job in your field of endeavour?

    So have a lot of guys, but some people just aren't worth the backlash they will bring to your organization. It's just not worth it.

    Also, I tell students all the time there are such things as non-negotiable mistakes. I would classify punching a woman in the face so hard she can't eat out of it as pretty fucking bad.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @jrb12711 said:

    So have a lot of guys, but some people just aren't worth the backlash they will bring to your organization. It's just not worth it.

    Also, I tell students all the time there are such things as non-negotiable mistakes. I would classify punching a woman in the face so hard she can't eat out of it as pretty fucking bad.

  • L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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    Rams have signed Robert Woods

    Eagles have signed Torrey Smith

    Bills cut safety Aaron Williams

  • Patriots swapping Malcolm Butler for Brandin Cooks ....already signing Allen and Gilmore ....... Pats making deals like a 1-15 team ....

    cambridgehoC cambridgeho wrote on last edited by
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    @darren15 said:

    Patriots swapping Malcolm Butler for Brandin Cooks ....already signing Allen and Gilmore ....... Pats making deals like a 1-15 team ....

    Trade hasn't happend yet. Cooks is on a cheap deal and Butler is restricted this year. The Saints are on the fence for this one.

  • L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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    Saints have signed Ted Ginn and expect to trade Cooks away by tonight.

    Have to wonder why they want him gone so (or so it seems) badly

  • You've clearly missed the Britt news then because that has nothing to do with maths and supposed value I'm sure.

    Analytics is a word thrown around and 99.9999% of you have no idea what it is meant to mean.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by hoorta
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    @londonbrown said:

    You've clearly missed the Britt news then because that has nothing to do with maths and supposed value I'm sure.

    Analytics is a word thrown around and 99.9999% of you have no idea what it is meant to mean.

    ?? We think Pryor is worth X. Doesn't want it. Britt is Pryor clone (in FO minds). Will take Pryor's X dollars. SCREAMS analytics.

  • Saints have signed Ted Ginn and expect to trade Cooks away by tonight.

    Have to wonder why they want him gone so (or so it seems) badly

    cambridgehoC cambridgeho wrote on last edited by
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    @londonbrown said:

    Saints have signed Ted Ginn and expect to trade Cooks away by tonight.

    Have to wonder why they want him gone so (or so it seems) badly

    Pat's offense will average 30-40 a game next year. With Gronk back and Cooks and Allen added as well. Possibly Peterson going there. The rich will get richer.

  • @londonbrown said:

    You've clearly missed the Britt news then because that has nothing to do with maths and supposed value I'm sure.

    Analytics is a word thrown around and 99.9999% of you have no idea what it is meant to mean.

    ?? We think Pryor is worth X. Doesn't want it. Britt is Pryor clone (in FO minds). Will take Pryor's X dollars. SCREAMS analytics.

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    @hoorta said:

    ?? We think Pryor is worth X. Doesn't want it. Britt is Pryor clone (in FO minds). Will take Pryor's X dollars.

    Pryor thinks he's worth Y....team says go find a team willing to pay you Y. We will take X and give it to a guy who has the same production/basically the same age/ and more than one year at the WR position. In other words, the Browns know what they're getting in Britt...Pryor is a huge unknown. One year doesn't make a career. Could be Randy Moss....could be a one hit wonder.

  • @londonbrown said:

    You've clearly missed the Britt news then because that has nothing to do with maths and supposed value I'm sure.

    Analytics is a word thrown around and 99.9999% of you have no idea what it is meant to mean.

    ?? We think Pryor is worth X. Doesn't want it. Britt is Pryor clone (in FO minds). Will take Pryor's X dollars. SCREAMS analytics.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    ?? We think Pryor is worth X. Doesn't want it. Britt is Pryor clone (in FO minds). Will take Pryor's X dollars. SCREAMS analytics.

    Britt only like 9 months older than Pryor.

    Pryor is 6'4

    Britt is 6'3

    Britt runs a 4.5 40

    Pryor ran a 4.38 40

    Pryor a slight bit better on the stats above.....but Britt is the far more accomplished player to date.

    So, it could be a pretty even steven trade off. The Browns may even have done a scoche better.

  • darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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    Nick Fairley signing with the Saints

  • @hoorta said:

    ?? We think Pryor is worth X. Doesn't want it. Britt is Pryor clone (in FO minds). Will take Pryor's X dollars. SCREAMS analytics.

    Britt only like 9 months older than Pryor.

    Pryor is 6'4

    Britt is 6'3

    Britt runs a 4.5 40

    Pryor ran a 4.38 40

    Pryor a slight bit better on the stats above.....but Britt is the far more accomplished player to date.

    So, it could be a pretty even steven trade off. The Browns may even have done a scoche better.

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Britt only like 9 months older than Pryor.

    Pryor is 6'4

    Britt is 6'3

    Britt runs a 4.5 40

    Pryor ran a 4.38 40

    Pryor a slight bit better on the stats above.....but Britt is the far more accomplished player to date.

    So, it could be a pretty even steven trade off. The Browns may even have done a scoche better.

    Totally agree. I would have the exact same feeling had the headline of been 'Browns resign TP'........ But I don't look at the world through OSU colored eyeballz like some here do.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    Seems like the Mike Glennon to Bears is a done deal. Could take them out of the High QB draft derby:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/chicago-bears-outbid-nobody-sign-145416515.html