Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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It's ok to just admit there is no obvious answer at QB on the immediate horizon.....no real prospect thats looks like the next winning Browns QB.....and Id rather see our FO realize this, as opposed to forcing down another shot of anxiety moonshine....
I know it's hard to do......but accepting the truth is a good first step....
Cant say id be excited about any one of the guys on that list.....
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Is it ok to be on this board and not want Garoppolo, Osweiler, Trubisky, Watson, Romo or Kizer?
I don't think Kessler is Tom Brady but he's best play last year was adequate for 2017.
Is it ok to be on this board and not want Garoppolo, Osweiler, Trubisky, Watson, Romo or Kizer?
I hope so or it's adios for me...
We'll have to start our own board......... I'm guessing there will be more members than we anticipate.
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Lame.
Here's the Rubber bowl now:
Just went by it the other day. Pretty sad.
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Is it ok to be on this board and not want Garoppolo, Osweiler, Trubisky, Watson, Romo or Kizer?
I don't think Kessler is Tom Brady but he's best play last year was adequate for 2017.
Is it ok to be on this board and not want Garoppolo, Osweiler, Trubisky, Watson, Romo or Kizer?
I don't think Kessler is Tom Brady but he's best play last year was adequate for 2017.
And add Kessler to your list...then what do we do?
(but I think there is a guy on that list that could work for us)
Hogan's Heroes?
No, not that.
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I'd rather eat a 3 day old chicken nugget than a cat turd, but I'm not excited about either one.Money aside I'd rather have Bradford.
WSS
Just saying if you had to eat one or the other I'm guessing the price wouldn't be your main concern.I'd rather eat a 3 day old chicken nugget than a cat turd, but I'm not excited about either one.
WSS
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I wish the media would STFU about JG, no way are we even considering it for what is reported. Give up 2 #1's for a guy that will become a FA and not to mention he only threw 94 passes? The same people clamoring for that are the same one's that say Trubisky doesn't have enough experience. Please STFU, we will draft our QB probably a few picks right after we grab Garrett. All these picks we accumulated are for the move up not for that worthless backup to Brady.
I wish the media would STFU about JG, no way are we even considering it for what is reported. Give up 2 #1's for a guy that will become a FA and not to mention he only threw 94 passes? The same people clamoring for that are the same one's that say Trubisky doesn't have enough experience. Please STFU, we will draft our QB probably a few picks right after we grab Garrett. All these picks we accumulated are for the move up not for that worthless backup to Brady.
Music to my ears, Dawg.
Is it ok to be on this board and not want Garoppolo, Osweiler, Trubisky, Watson, Romo or Kizer?
I don't think Kessler is Tom Brady but he's best play last year was adequate for 2017.
Of course it's OK to feel that way, You just have to realize the predraft discussions can get pretty heated around here. In fact, that's my backup plan if we draft a "project" this April
We'll have to start our own board......... I'm guessing there will be more members than we anticipate.
LOL, it's already been done once. The Quinn pumpers got so POed they went off and started their own Board. Stick around- come May first we'll all be sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya about how the Browns nailed the draft- or totally blew it.
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Is it ok to be on this board and not want Garoppolo, Osweiler, Trubisky, Watson, Romo or Kizer?
I don't think Kessler is Tom Brady but he's best play last year was adequate for 2017.
And add Kessler to your list...then what do we do?
(but I think there is a guy on that list that could work for us)
Hogan's Heroes?
No, not that.
And add Kessler to your list...then what do we do?
(but I think there is a guy on that list that could work for us)
Hogan's Heroes?
No, not that.
You suck like the last 5 years and look to a better class in 2018.
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Grossi is the main part of the anti browns mafia in Cleveland media. All they care about is getting national attention for their Browns baiting.
He has slaughtered this front office since the Ossweiler trade.
Grossi really really wants Jimmy here.
WSS
Yep. Since being canned by the PD, Grossi is definitely jaded in covering the Browns. While some of the stuff he writes or says on the radio is true, he seems like he's lost some objectivity.
I wonder if he's a Steeler fan.
Yep. Since being canned by the PD, Grossi is definitely jaded in covering the Browns. While some of the stuff he writes or says on the radio is true, he seems like he's lost some objectivity.
I wonder if he's a Steeler fan.
Uh no, Grossi is no Steeler fan on the field, he is a fan of their organization.
He is a Browns fan on the field, but has criticized the organization and their moves....
Much the same way you fucks do here, so I don't understand all this Grossi hate.
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Yep. Since being canned by the PD, Grossi is definitely jaded in covering the Browns. While some of the stuff he writes or says on the radio is true, he seems like he's lost some objectivity.
I wonder if he's a Steeler fan.
Uh no, Grossi is no Steeler fan on the field, he is a fan of their organization.
He is a Browns fan on the field, but has criticized the organization and their moves....
Much the same way you fucks do here, so I don't understand all this Grossi hate.
Uh no, Grossi is no Steeler fan on the field, he is a fan of their organization.
He is a Browns fan on the field, but has criticized the organization and their moves....
Much the same way you fucks do here, so I don't understand all this Grossi hate.
Did I say I hated him? I said he lost his objectivity. I also said some of the stuff he says or writes is true.
Mention the word "Steeler," see reaction. Jeez.
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Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
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Uh no, Grossi is no Steeler fan on the field, he is a fan of their organization.
He is a Browns fan on the field, but has criticized the organization and their moves....
Much the same way you fucks do here, so I don't understand all this Grossi hate.
Did I say I hated him? I said he lost his objectivity. I also said some of the stuff he says or writes is true.
Mention the word "Steeler," see reaction. Jeez.
Did I say I hated him? I said he lost his objectivity. I also said some of the stuff he says or writes is true.
Mention the word "Steeler," see reaction. Jeez.
First of all I said "all the hate" so I am not singling out just you.
No, you didn't say you hated him...no one did.
"Hate" was not used in its literal sense. "Hate" could mean excess or undue criticism, making fun of or ridiculing.
I don't think anybody really hate hates him, but maybe they do.
"Steelers" in this very entertaining thread was mentioned a few times. I replied to only one mention of them. Yours.
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Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
I'm sure Gipper will appreciate this post. He is the resident guru of NFL history and trivia!
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I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Let's do some Q&A... and some point/counterpoint...
- Simply based on FA who is going to be favored over the Pats to win SB LII? (or is it LIII?) And a repeat gives Brady an Elway like send off if he decides to retire... at age 40.
- And if he doesn't retire? Would Bill really trade "his guy"? I think he would... as much as he loves Tom... business is business... and the list of great Pats who retire as Pats in the Belichick era is a very, very short list.
- But if he traded Tom, then the Pat fans would go crazy! Yes, they would... but then Browns fans went crazy when he got rid of Bernie in '93. And we stayed and for almost a whole year... until we made the playoffs.
- But Bernie is not Tom! To Browns fan he was. We did not know any better. We refused to see what Bill saw: diminished skills.
- But clearly Tom's skills are not diminished! Are we sure of that? Are we looking through Bill's eyes through Bill's eyes? Have we been in game plan sessions for years to witness a shift in planning? Would we even recognize a shift not preceded by, "Tom doesn't do that well enough anymore, so let's do this"?
- But the Pats are not the Browns! True. So it will take more than a playoff appearance to sooth Pat fans' ruffled feathers
- But clearly Bill plans to walk off into the sunset with Tom... doesn't he? Ah.... the last bullet ... "the Buddy system"... and the end of the bullet-points...
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.
I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Just saying if you had to eat one or the other I'm guessing the price wouldn't be your main concern.I'd rather eat a 3 day old chicken nugget than a cat turd, but I'm not excited about either one.
WSS
Just saying if you had to eat one or the other I'm guessing the price wouldn't be your main concern.
WSS
Lol, I'll concede that.
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Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
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In all fairness no one knew what would happen with Ernie Davis, winner of the Heisman Trophy. What a tragic loss.
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Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
Mike Oliphant for Earnest Byner. OUCH.
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Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
Mike Oliphant for Earnest Byner. OUCH.
Mike Oliphant for Earnest Byner. OUCH.
That seemed almost like a Mercy trade. Byner committed "The Fumble".....lets get him out of here so that he does not have to be stigmatized and hassled by the fan base.
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I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Let's do some Q&A... and some point/counterpoint...
- Simply based on FA who is going to be favored over the Pats to win SB LII? (or is it LIII?) And a repeat gives Brady an Elway like send off if he decides to retire... at age 40.
- And if he doesn't retire? Would Bill really trade "his guy"? I think he would... as much as he loves Tom... business is business... and the list of great Pats who retire as Pats in the Belichick era is a very, very short list.
- But if he traded Tom, then the Pat fans would go crazy! Yes, they would... but then Browns fans went crazy when he got rid of Bernie in '93. And we stayed and for almost a whole year... until we made the playoffs.
- But Bernie is not Tom! To Browns fan he was. We did not know any better. We refused to see what Bill saw: diminished skills.
- But clearly Tom's skills are not diminished! Are we sure of that? Are we looking through Bill's eyes through Bill's eyes? Have we been in game plan sessions for years to witness a shift in planning? Would we even recognize a shift not preceded by, "Tom doesn't do that well enough anymore, so let's do this"?
- But the Pats are not the Browns! True. So it will take more than a playoff appearance to sooth Pat fans' ruffled feathers
- But clearly Bill plans to walk off into the sunset with Tom... doesn't he? Ah.... the last bullet ... "the Buddy system"... and the end of the bullet-points...
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.
I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
I mentioned it in another thread Tour. Trading for Cooks with their #32 and more means the Patriots are all in to win the SB this season. I'm not buying that sets up the Jimmy trade to recoup the pick. The obvious reason is should Brady get hurt either for an extended period, or in the playoffs and Garropolo is on another team, that Super Bowl win goes "poof". Jacoby Brissett- that's the ticket to the Promised Land.
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I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
I mentioned it in another thread Tour. Trading for Cooks with their #32 and more means the Patriots are all in to win the SB this season. I'm not buying that sets up the Jimmy trade to recoup the pick. The obvious reason is should Brady get hurt either for an extended period, or in the playoffs and Garropolo is on another team, that Super Bowl win goes "poof". Jacoby Brissett- that's the ticket to the Promised Land.
I mentioned it in another thread Tour. Trading for Cooks with their #32 and more means the Patriots are all in to win the SB this season. I'm not buying that sets up the Jimmy trade to recoup the pick. The obvious reason is should Brady get hurt either for an extended period, or in the playoffs and Garropolo is on another team, that Super Bowl win goes "poof". Jacoby Brissett- that's the ticket to the Promised Land.
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