Why hasn't this team embraced Osweiler?
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Ghoolie says a lot of things to get people riled, and quite a bit of it is far from humorous, but Brock CockWhistler is laugh out loud funny.
Ghoolie says a lot of things to get people riled, and quite a bit of it is far from humorous, but Brock CockWhistler is laugh out loud funny.
Ya, I'm going to give him that one.
Zombo
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Ghoolie says a lot of things to get people riled, and quite a bit of it is far from humorous, but Brock CockWhistler is laugh out loud funny.
Ya, I'm going to give him that one.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, I'm going to give him that one.
Keep it handy in case Brawk actually makes it to TC and a fanboy shows up...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo said:
Ya, I'm going to give him that one.
Keep it handy in case Brawk actually makes it to TC and a fanboy shows up...
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What a difference a year makes. Oz was a choice last year and the Browns passed on him now he gets into town and everyone is sucking each others donkeys because we paid millions for a Secound round pick? Please.
No kidding..... We don't spend, people cry, we spend (which we had to per league rules) and people cry. I like the trade now, but the 2nd round pick will be the ultimate determining factor.
Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.No kidding..... We don't spend, people cry, we spend (which we had to per league rules) and people cry. I like the trade now, but the 2nd round pick will be the ultimate determining factor.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
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Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.No kidding..... We don't spend, people cry, we spend (which we had to per league rules) and people cry. I like the trade now, but the 2nd round pick will be the ultimate determining factor.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
See the Camp Trade UP thread. Some of all those picks can be used for Ammo to trade up.
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Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.No kidding..... We don't spend, people cry, we spend (which we had to per league rules) and people cry. I like the trade now, but the 2nd round pick will be the ultimate determining factor.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
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Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
Did $16M exhaust the Browns' cap? Are we unable to add free agents due to this move?
Not being an asshole or attempting to be argumentative. I honestly don't know how badly it compromised the team's ability to improve.
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Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
Did $16M exhaust the Browns' cap? Are we unable to add free agents due to this move?
Not being an asshole or attempting to be argumentative. I honestly don't know how badly it compromised the team's ability to improve.
Did $16M exhaust the Browns' cap? Are we unable to add free agents due to this move?
Not being an asshole or attempting to be argumentative. I honestly don't know how badly it compromised the team's ability to improve.
No, I heard that after all the signings they are still 70 million under the cap. Some share of that must be reserved for signing incoming rookies...but it does not look like they are anywhere near close to having exhausted the cap. That is what I heard...though I don't know where to go to verify it.
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Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.No kidding..... We don't spend, people cry, we spend (which we had to per league rules) and people cry. I like the trade now, but the 2nd round pick will be the ultimate determining factor.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
It's 16mil of someone else's money......
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Did $16M exhaust the Browns' cap? Are we unable to add free agents due to this move?
Not being an asshole or attempting to be argumentative. I honestly don't know how badly it compromised the team's ability to improve.
No, I heard that after all the signings they are still 70 million under the cap. Some share of that must be reserved for signing incoming rookies...but it does not look like they are anywhere near close to having exhausted the cap. That is what I heard...though I don't know where to go to verify it.
No, I heard that after all the signings they are still 70 million under the cap. Some share of that must be reserved for signing incoming rookies...but it does not look like they are anywhere near close to having exhausted the cap. That is what I heard...though I don't know where to go to verify it.
Yup, those two first round picks are going to cost. If Garrett is everythig we hope he is, down the road it will cost $100 million+ to keep him. They work a trade for Cousins and that's another $25 million gone.
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No, I heard that after all the signings they are still 70 million under the cap. Some share of that must be reserved for signing incoming rookies...but it does not look like they are anywhere near close to having exhausted the cap. That is what I heard...though I don't know where to go to verify it.
Yup, those two first round picks are going to cost. If Garrett is everythig we hope he is, down the road it will cost $100 million+ to keep him. They work a trade for Cousins and that's another $25 million gone.
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No, I heard that after all the signings they are still 70 million under the cap. Some share of that must be reserved for signing incoming rookies...but it does not look like they are anywhere near close to having exhausted the cap. That is what I heard...though I don't know where to go to verify it.
Yup, those two first round picks are going to cost. If Garrett is everythig we hope he is, down the road it will cost $100 million+ to keep him. They work a trade for Cousins and that's another $25 million gone.
Yup, those two first round picks are going to cost. If Garrett is everythig we hope he is, down the road it will cost $100 million+ to keep him. They work a trade for Cousins and that's another $25 million gone.
As I wrote in another thread we have around $64mm left under the cap and as our picks now stand they will eat about $16mm of that.
I'm looking forward to the days when we are cap challenged, but that's still years away... unless we sign every flippin' FA that comes along like some here want to..
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Here is my latest 'prediction' aka nfl conspiracy theory with regards to the Browns QB situations: The Browns acquired Osweiler to trade him to the Patriots in a deal involving Garropolo. Here is what I think could happen (and IMO they'd be overpaying):
Browns trade pick 12 and 52, Osweiler, and agree to absorb half his contract (so the Pats only pay $8 million of his salary) to the Patriots, who give JimmyG to the Browns. Remember the Pats don't have a first or second round pick this year after the Cooks deal. Maybe the Pats put themselves in that position knowing they would replenish those picks via a trade with the Browns. Osweiler would replace JimmyG as a backup with experience, giving them time to bring Brissett along.
This scenario would explain why the Browns refuse to embrace Osweiler.
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Here is my latest 'prediction' aka nfl conspiracy theory with regards to the Browns QB situations: The Browns acquired Osweiler to trade him to the Patriots in a deal involving Garropolo. Here is what I think could happen (and IMO they'd be overpaying):
Browns trade pick 12 and 52, Osweiler, and agree to absorb half his contract (so the Pats only pay $8 million of his salary) to the Patriots, who give JimmyG to the Browns. Remember the Pats don't have a first or second round pick this year after the Cooks deal. Maybe the Pats put themselves in that position knowing they would replenish those picks via a trade with the Browns. Osweiler would replace JimmyG as a backup with experience, giving them time to bring Brissett along.
This scenario would explain why the Browns refuse to embrace Osweiler.
Here is my latest 'prediction' aka nfl conspiracy theory with regards to the Browns QB situations: The Browns acquired Osweiler to trade him to the Patriots in a deal involving Garropolo. Here is what I think could happen (and IMO they'd be overpaying):
Browns trade pick 12 and 52, Osweiler, and agree to absorb half his contract (so the Pats only pay $8 million of his salary) to the Patriots, who give JimmyG to the Browns. Remember the Pats don't have a first or second round pick this year after the Cooks deal. Maybe the Pats put themselves in that position knowing they would replenish those picks via a trade with the Browns. Osweiler would replace JimmyG as a backup with experience, giving them time to bring Brissett along.
This scenario would explain why the Browns refuse to embrace Osweiler.
Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
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Here is my latest 'prediction' aka nfl conspiracy theory with regards to the Browns QB situations: The Browns acquired Osweiler to trade him to the Patriots in a deal involving Garropolo. Here is what I think could happen (and IMO they'd be overpaying):
Browns trade pick 12 and 52, Osweiler, and agree to absorb half his contract (so the Pats only pay $8 million of his salary) to the Patriots, who give JimmyG to the Browns. Remember the Pats don't have a first or second round pick this year after the Cooks deal. Maybe the Pats put themselves in that position knowing they would replenish those picks via a trade with the Browns. Osweiler would replace JimmyG as a backup with experience, giving them time to bring Brissett along.
This scenario would explain why the Browns refuse to embrace Osweiler.
Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
IDK about that plan, but I was thinking on this a little bit the other day. Right now it's pretty well known the Browns don't have a strong interest in the Brock Lobster in their plans. BUT, as the draft gets closer and closer I think Brock's value increases due to some organizations thinking they can make him work for them and not liking the QBs in this class. I could easily see a draft day trade for a 3rd round pick when right now that would never happen.
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Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
IDK about that plan, but I was thinking on this a little bit the other day. Right now it's pretty well known the Browns don't have a strong interest in the Brock Lobster in their plans. BUT, as the draft gets closer and closer I think Brock's value increases due to some organizations thinking they can make him work for them and not liking the QBs in this class. I could easily see a draft day trade for a 3rd round pick when right now that would never happen.
IDK about that plan, but I was thinking on this a little bit the other day. Right now it's pretty well known the Browns don't have a strong interest in the Brock Lobster in their plans. BUT, as the draft gets closer and closer I think Brock's value increases due to some organizations thinking they can make him work for them and not liking the QBs in this class. I could easily see a draft day trade for a 3rd round pick when right now that would never happen.
Well....you KNOW that this is the season for blowing smoke up one's ass....and that the "lack of interest" in BO....may just be that...smoke and bullshit.
Believe it or not...this is a very interesting video.
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Too many picks in one year only means the Browns have to trade away some of them to continue to stockpile. Say if they make all their picks this year that means only half will more than likely make the team. The other picks are wasted time.
So we get another 2nd rounder they must use it for trade bait or keep it using the other high picks as bait, either way it's a big gamble for 16 million. Dude..16 million.
It's 16mil of someone else's money......
Not trying to disprove of your option but I have a question.It's 16mil of someone else's money......
If the Browns would've signed Oz last year would you've been opposed to it?
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Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
IDK about that plan, but I was thinking on this a little bit the other day. Right now it's pretty well known the Browns don't have a strong interest in the Brock Lobster in their plans. BUT, as the draft gets closer and closer I think Brock's value increases due to some organizations thinking they can make him work for them and not liking the QBs in this class. I could easily see a draft day trade for a 3rd round pick when right now that would never happen.
BUT, as the draft gets closer and closer I think Brock's value increases due to some organizations thinking they can make him work for them and not liking the QBs in this class. I could easily see a draft day trade for a 3rd round pick when right now that would never happen.
Certainly can see Brock's value increasing with time... Draft is one check point... TC/Preseason when QB injuries begin to hit is another.
Big question come the Draft is where do teams queue Brock in in this QB class? I'm not seeing a 3rd round grade, but some might.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here is my latest 'prediction' aka nfl conspiracy theory with regards to the Browns QB situations: The Browns acquired Osweiler to trade him to the Patriots in a deal involving Garropolo. Here is what I think could happen (and IMO they'd be overpaying):
Browns trade pick 12 and 52, Osweiler, and agree to absorb half his contract (so the Pats only pay $8 million of his salary) to the Patriots, who give JimmyG to the Browns. Remember the Pats don't have a first or second round pick this year after the Cooks deal. Maybe the Pats put themselves in that position knowing they would replenish those picks via a trade with the Browns. Osweiler would replace JimmyG as a backup with experience, giving them time to bring Brissett along.
This scenario would explain why the Browns refuse to embrace Osweiler.
Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
Reaching for straws. If that was the agreed upon plan, then why has it not already come to fruition?
As I mentioned AG, because the Browns haven't completely evaluated the 2017 QB class yet. MHO, if this over hyped trade is going to happen at all, it will go down with the Browns on the clock, when trade values tend to drop. Lobster for Jimmy straight up - one backup for another.
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BUT, as the draft gets closer and closer I think Brock's value increases due to some organizations thinking they can make him work for them and not liking the QBs in this class. I could easily see a draft day trade for a 3rd round pick when right now that would never happen.
Certainly can see Brock's value increasing with time... Draft is one check point... TC/Preseason when QB injuries begin to hit is another.
Big question come the Draft is where do teams queue Brock in in this QB class? I'm not seeing a 3rd round grade, but some might.
Certainly can see Brock's value increasing with time... Draft is one check point... TC/Preseason when QB injuries begin to hit is another.
Big question come the Draft is where do teams queue Brock in in this QB class? I'm not seeing a 3rd round grade, but some might.
Remembering that the cowboys were enquiring after Josh McCown last summer and we said no - I can see a situation where a team throws something at us for Brockweiler.
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Not trying to disprove of your option but I have a question.
If the Browns would've signed Oz last year would you've been opposed to it?
Hmmm, looking back with as unbiased eyes as possible, yea I would've been fine with him over RG3 all day..... To be fair, I'm still not convinced he can't play and am 100% OK with keeping him and letting him fight it out in TC/early pre-season.
Elway also thought he was the guy last year, so there has to be something? The Texans are rivaling the Browns in terms of being a QB killer.
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