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I don't get these "First Four" play-in games for anything, but a 16th seed. Having two teams play for an 11 doesn't seem right.
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I don't get these "First Four" play-in games for anything, but a 16th seed. Having two teams play for an 11 doesn't seem right.
I don't get these "First Four" play-in games for anything, but a 16th seed. Having two teams play for an 11 doesn't seem right.
Actually...it makes great sense. You have 4 "Play-in" games involving 8 teams. The committee actually designates 6 "16 seeds". These are Automatic Qualifiers from the smaller conferences. The lowest 4 of those 6 play off to see which two move on to play the #1 seeds.
Then....after all the Automatic Qualifiers are designated, you know that the Committee then selects like 36 "At Large teams", teams that have not won their conference tourneys. So then what they do is they take the "Last Four in" of these teams and they have them play off. They are really the last teams picked to play in the tourney....and they have no real cause to complain because they are just lucky to have been selected to participate. Ergo, these 4 "play in" as well. Usually they end up with like an 11 seed.
So...to me, it does seem right that the last 4 team selected have to undergo a bit more of a challenge.
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If the objective is to end up with the best 64 in the country, having two 11's play for the right to be one of those 64 guarantees that you will fail to meet your objective.
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If the objective is to end up with the best 64 in the country, having two 11's play for the right to be one of those 64 guarantees that you will fail to meet your objective.
If the objective is to end up with the best 64 in the country, having two 11's play for the right to be one of those 64 guarantees that you will fail to meet your objective.
That is NOT the objective. The objective is to have 36 leagues with their automatic qualifiers participate where then that is whittled down to 34 with two of them eliminated in the "First Four" round; then to select the next 32 best at large teams and to eliminate 2 of them in that First round. Thus...the objective is to have 34 AQ's plus 30 at large teams make up the Round of 64.
If they wanted the best 64...then about 15-20 leagues would have no participants in the tourney. And that is not what they want.
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Princeton gave Notre Dame all it can handle. Lost by only 60-58.
UNC Wilmington giving Virginia all it can handle. Only a 3 pt. game with about 5 minutes left.
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I don't get these "First Four" play-in games for anything, but a 16th seed. Having two teams play for an 11 doesn't seem right.
I agree it's like adding extra wild card games, 64 should be enough.I don't get these "First Four" play-in games for anything, but a 16th seed. Having two teams play for an 11 doesn't seem right.
(and there's always the NIT)
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I agree it's like adding extra wild card games, 64 should be enough.
(and there's always the NIT)
lol... Is the NIT still a thing?
Sigh... I can remember when it was a big thing.As for the NCAA... all about the $$$. First it was one, play-in game... now four... and there was talk of more.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I agree it's like adding extra wild card games, 64 should be enough.
(and there's always the NIT)
lol... Is the NIT still a thing?
Sigh... I can remember when it was a big thing.As for the NCAA... all about the $$$. First it was one, play-in game... now four... and there was talk of more.
lol... Is the NIT still a thing?
Sigh... I can remember when it was a big thing.As for the NCAA... all about the $$$. First it was one, play-in game... now four... and there was talk of more.
Some people must want to kill this now NCAA "cash cow" I've heard talk of up to 128 teams....that should eliminate a lot of casual fans and pick 'ems.
Oh yeah the NIT used to be the big tournament at one time.
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Check out some of these NIT names:
FIRST ROUND
DATE TIME (ET) TV MATCHUP
March 14 7 p.m. ESPN No. 2 Illinois 82, No. 7 Valparaiso 57
March 14 7:15 p.m. ESPN2 No. 5 Mississippi 91, No. 4 Monmouth 83
March 14 8 p.m. ESPNU No. 7 Oakland 74, No. 2 Clemson 69
March 14 9 p.m. ESPN3 No. 4 Colorado State 81, No. 5 Charleston 74
March 14 9 p.m. ESPN No. 6 Georgia Tech 75, No. 3 Indiana 63
March 14 9:15 p.m. ESPN2 No. 6 Richmond 71, No. 3 Alabama 64
March 14 10 p.m. ESPNU No. 6 Boise State 73, No. 3 Utah 68
March 14 11:15 p.m. ESPN2 No. 8 CSU Bakersfield 73, No. 1 California 66
March 15 7 p.m. ESPN2 No. 1 Syracuse 90, No. 8 UNCG 77
March 15 7 p.m. ESPN3 No. 7 Belmont 78, No. 2 Georgia 69
March 15 7 p.m. ESPN3 No. 4 UCF 79, No. 5 Colorado 74
March 15 7:30 p.m. ESPNU No. 7 Akron 78, No. 2 Houston 75
March 15 8 p.m. ESPN3 No. 4 TCU 66, No. 5 Fresno State 59
March 15 9 p.m. ESPN2 No. 1 Iowa 87, No. 8 South Dakota 75
March 15 9:30 p.m. ESPNU No. 1 Illinois State 85, No. 8 UC Irvine 71
March 15 11 p.m. ESPN2 No. 6 UT Arlington 105, No. 3 BYU 85
SECOND ROUND
DATE TIME (ET) TV MATCHUP
March 18 11 a.m. ESPN No. 1 Syracuse vs. No. 5 Mississippi
March 19 Noon ESPN No. 6 Georgia Tech vs. No. 7 Belmont
March 19 5 p.m. ESPN2 No. 1 Iowa vs. No. 4 TCU
March 19 7:30 p.m. ESPNU No. 6 Richmond vs. No. 7 Oakland
March 20 7 p.m. ESPN No. 1 Illinois State vs. No. 4 UCF
March 20 8 p.m. ESPNU No. 6 UT Arlington vs. No. 7 Akron
March 20 9 p.m. ESPN No. 2 Illinois vs. No. 6 Boise State
March 20 11 p.m. ESPN2 No. 4 Colorado State vs. No. 8 CSU Bakersfield
FINAL (AT MADISON SQUARE GARDEN)
DATE TIME (ET) TV MATCHUP
March 30 TBA TBA TBA
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I agree it's like adding extra wild card games, 64 should be enough.
(and there's always the NIT)
lol... Is the NIT still a thing?
Sigh... I can remember when it was a big thing.As for the NCAA... all about the $$$. First it was one, play-in game... now four... and there was talk of more.
lol... Is the NIT still a thing?
Sigh... I can remember when it was a big thing.As for the NCAA... all about the $$$. First it was one, play-in game... now four... and there was talk of more.
Akron U beat Houston in the NIT last night....in Texas. Now they have to stay in Texas to play UT-Arlington.
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Butler beats Winthrop
Gonzaga beats South Dakota St.
Both games won handily.
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lol... Is the NIT still a thing?
Sigh... I can remember when it was a big thing.As for the NCAA... all about the $$$. First it was one, play-in game... now four... and there was talk of more.
Akron U beat Houston in the NIT last night....in Texas. Now they have to stay in Texas to play UT-Arlington.
Akron U beat Houston in the NIT last night....in Texas. Now they have to stay in Texas to play UT-Arlington.
Good for them, check out some of the former NCAA perenienal teams in the NIT this year.
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West by God Virginia beats Bucknell.
No upsets thus far. Though Minnesota is behind Middle Tenn St. at halftime. Minn. is a 5 seed, MTSU a 12.
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Well I'm done.
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ROUND 2 SATURDAY - three B1G teams
Notre Dame 12:10 PM West Virginia
Wisconsin 2:40 PM Villanova
Northwestern 5:15 PM Gonzaga
Xavier 6:10 PM Florida State
Middle TN 7:10 PM Butler
Saint Mary's 7:45 PM Arizona
Virginia 8:40 PM Florida
Iowa State 9:40 PM Purdue
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