Cousins?
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I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs,
Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs,
Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
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I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs,
Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
Cody Kessler starting in 2018 after Cousins signs a long term deal with the 49ers
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I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
Cody Kessler starting in 2018 after Cousins signs a long term deal with the 49ers
Fixed
Fixed
sign him to a long term deal if we trade for him
5 years/ 100 million
45 million guarenteed
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sign him to a long term deal if we trade for him
5 years/ 100 million
45 million guarenteed
That is giving away to much for him. Plus he don't want to play here. Roll with Cody this year and draft defense.
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I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs,
Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with:
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs, Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
I don't know where to begin...
sign him to a long term deal if before we trade for him
Fixed...
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I'm not saying that I would do this, but I have to admit, I started to think about this: Trading the #1 overall pick for Kirk Cousins.
What are Cousins' numbers as a starter? How do they compare to ours? What would you be willing to give up to actually have a starting QB? I'm not using the "elite" word, and I'm not using the "franchise" word, but what I'm saying is...what is a starting QB worth in the NFL? If there was a guy coming out of college that was a bonified "sure thing", wouldn't we be picking that guy? Well, what's the difference between "that guy", and Kirk Cousins? A guy that's actually played in the NFL, and played pretty damn well.
Again, before you guys crucify me, I want to say again, "I'm not saying I would do it", but I also think it must be explored. Cousins attacks the middle of the field, he excels at play-action, he's got enough athletic ability to make plays with his legs, and he's got a certain "spunk" to him that I completely love.
Honestly, I think we would've already made the trade with the Redskins if Cousins wanted to play for us. I think the only reason he's not already on our team is because he's holding out for San Francisco. The good news about this is we're going to get Myles Garrett, and he's going to be lining up opposite of another physical presence (Ogbah). Ogbah doesn't have the "bend" and "explosion" that Garrett possesses, but make no mistake, he's a physical freak. What shocked me so much about Garrett was his strength in the bench press. I thought for sure he'd be more of a "speed" guy, and that bench press wouldn't be his best test. It might not have been his "best" test, but 32 reps or whatever is pretty stupid for a guy with that build. It's very possible Garrett grows to 6'4 and 290 pounds in a year...without losing much (if any) speed. He's literally going to look like King Kong.
But as much fun as having Garrett and Ogbah will be, it won't do a damn thing for our QB quandary. It's starting to look like we're starting the season with Kessler. Now, if we get the Kessler that played against Miami and Washington, I think we'll be ok. We could actually be MORE than ok if our defense plays better and our running game is constant. But I picked Cody as nothing more than a backup due to his lack of physical abilities. He can't take a hit, can't get AWAY from a hit, and has shown to be injury prone.
I've gone full circle on the Garoppolo situation, but I'm now back to saying it's going to happen, and here's why: This draft is particularly strong on the defensive side of the ball, and the Patriots lost some defensive stars. They recently signed Dont'a Hightower, but they still need more bodies...especially studs. The Patriots also don't have a first round pick, and I'm not sure they have a second rounder either (they might...don't know). What is the one thing the Patriots covet more than anything else? That's right...draft picks. So there's a team (Cleveland) that is potentially offering a basket of early picks for a player that might not even PLAY for the Patriots, and people are saying that the deal won't happen? I don't believe it, I really don't. We have five second round picks and three FIRST round picks in the next two drafts. No WAY we can't offer up a deal that literally MAKES the Patriots deal their backup QB.
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I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs,
Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs,
Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
You might. Guarantee Sashi and DePo won't.
He doesn't want to be in Cleveland. FO not interested in a quick fix. We need those future picks to plug other holes. -
I'm not saying that I would do this, but I have to admit, I started to think about this: Trading the #1 overall pick for Kirk Cousins.
What are Cousins' numbers as a starter? How do they compare to ours? What would you be willing to give up to actually have a starting QB? I'm not using the "elite" word, and I'm not using the "franchise" word, but what I'm saying is...what is a starting QB worth in the NFL? If there was a guy coming out of college that was a bonified "sure thing", wouldn't we be picking that guy? Well, what's the difference between "that guy", and Kirk Cousins? A guy that's actually played in the NFL, and played pretty damn well.
Again, before you guys crucify me, I want to say again, "I'm not saying I would do it", but I also think it must be explored. Cousins attacks the middle of the field, he excels at play-action, he's got enough athletic ability to make plays with his legs, and he's got a certain "spunk" to him that I completely love.
Honestly, I think we would've already made the trade with the Redskins if Cousins wanted to play for us. I think the only reason he's not already on our team is because he's holding out for San Francisco. The good news about this is we're going to get Myles Garrett, and he's going to be lining up opposite of another physical presence (Ogbah). Ogbah doesn't have the "bend" and "explosion" that Garrett possesses, but make no mistake, he's a physical freak. What shocked me so much about Garrett was his strength in the bench press. I thought for sure he'd be more of a "speed" guy, and that bench press wouldn't be his best test. It might not have been his "best" test, but 32 reps or whatever is pretty stupid for a guy with that build. It's very possible Garrett grows to 6'4 and 290 pounds in a year...without losing much (if any) speed. He's literally going to look like King Kong.
But as much fun as having Garrett and Ogbah will be, it won't do a damn thing for our QB quandary. It's starting to look like we're starting the season with Kessler. Now, if we get the Kessler that played against Miami and Washington, I think we'll be ok. We could actually be MORE than ok if our defense plays better and our running game is constant. But I picked Cody as nothing more than a backup due to his lack of physical abilities. He can't take a hit, can't get AWAY from a hit, and has shown to be injury prone.
I've gone full circle on the Garoppolo situation, but I'm now back to saying it's going to happen, and here's why: This draft is particularly strong on the defensive side of the ball, and the Patriots lost some defensive stars. They recently signed Dont'a Hightower, but they still need more bodies...especially studs. The Patriots also don't have a first round pick, and I'm not sure they have a second rounder either (they might...don't know). What is the one thing the Patriots covet more than anything else? That's right...draft picks. So there's a team (Cleveland) that is potentially offering a basket of early picks for a player that might not even PLAY for the Patriots, and people are saying that the deal won't happen? I don't believe it, I really don't. We have five second round picks and three FIRST round picks in the next two drafts. No WAY we can't offer up a deal that literally MAKES the Patriots deal their backup QB.
What are Cousins' numbers as a starter? How do they compare to ours?
Again, before you guys crucify me, I want to say again, "I'm not saying I would do it", but I also think it must be explored. Cousins attacks the middle of the field, he excels at play-action, he's got enough athletic ability to make plays with his legs, and he's got a certain "spunk" to him that I completely love.
What shocked me so much about Garrett was his strength in the bench press. It's very possible Garrett grows to 6'4 and 290 pounds in a year...without losing much (if any) speed. He's literally going to look like King Kong.
But as much fun as having Garrett and Ogbah will be, it won't do a damn thing for our QB quandary.
Absolutely has to be thought over, so no crucifixion in your future as far as I am concerned.
For me the question is not whether Kirk would improve our QB situation. He would. It's whether he is worth the cost of bringing him to us. I'll grant you every attribute you list for him and add that I think he's a leader. But he's also a QB who needs a lot of pieces around him including a D that keeps the game in hand. In short he's a good QB.
Garrett has the look of a generational Edge presence. He looks to me to be a cornerstone player of a Defense that can become the kind that can benefit any QB by reducing his need to carry a team. That can win if he simply manages the game... and that widens our QB search considerably.
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What are Cousins' numbers as a starter? How do they compare to ours?
Again, before you guys crucify me, I want to say again, "I'm not saying I would do it", but I also think it must be explored. Cousins attacks the middle of the field, he excels at play-action, he's got enough athletic ability to make plays with his legs, and he's got a certain "spunk" to him that I completely love.
What shocked me so much about Garrett was his strength in the bench press. It's very possible Garrett grows to 6'4 and 290 pounds in a year...without losing much (if any) speed. He's literally going to look like King Kong.
But as much fun as having Garrett and Ogbah will be, it won't do a damn thing for our QB quandary.
Absolutely has to be thought over, so no crucifixion in your future as far as I am concerned.
For me the question is not whether Kirk would improve our QB situation. He would. It's whether he is worth the cost of bringing him to us. I'll grant you every attribute you list for him and add that I think he's a leader. But he's also a QB who needs a lot of pieces around him including a D that keeps the game in hand. In short he's a good QB.
Garrett has the look of a generational Edge presence. He looks to me to be a cornerstone player of a Defense that can become the kind that can benefit any QB by reducing his need to carry a team. That can win if he simply manages the game... and that widens our QB search considerably.
Garrett has the look of a generational Edge presence. He looks to me to be a cornerstone player of a Defense that can become the kind that can benefit any QB by reducing his need to carry a team. That can win if he simply manages the game... and that widens our QB search considerably.
Totally agree. Been saying for some time if we can just decrease time the D is out there and multiply the times the O has the ball, this team will have more wins. Especially now that we have taken so many positive steps in the OL. I really look forward to see what other D players we add from here on out. Shall we send them your picks Tour?
Edit: And with Nassib etc. we have some good fresh legs all game long, something we have lacked for who knows how many years.
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Garrett has the look of a generational Edge presence. He looks to me to be a cornerstone player of a Defense that can become the kind that can benefit any QB by reducing his need to carry a team. That can win if he simply manages the game... and that widens our QB search considerably.
Totally agree. Been saying for some time if we can just decrease time the D is out there and multiply the times the O has the ball, this team will have more wins. Especially now that we have taken so many positive steps in the OL. I really look forward to see what other D players we add from here on out. Shall we send them your picks Tour?
Edit: And with Nassib etc. we have some good fresh legs all game long, something we have lacked for who knows how many years.
Shall we send them your picks Tour?
What makes you think I haven't already?
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Garrett has the look of a generational Edge presence. He looks to me to be a cornerstone player of a Defense that can become the kind that can benefit any QB by reducing his need to carry a team. That can win if he simply manages the game... and that widens our QB search considerably.
Totally agree. Been saying for some time if we can just decrease time the D is out there and multiply the times the O has the ball, this team will have more wins. Especially now that we have taken so many positive steps in the OL. I really look forward to see what other D players we add from here on out. Shall we send them your picks Tour?
Edit: And with Nassib etc. we have some good fresh legs all game long, something we have lacked for who knows how many years.
Totally agree. Been saying for some time if we can just decrease time the D is out there and multiply the times the O has the ball, this team will have more wins. Especially now that we have taken so many positive steps in the OL. I really look forward to see what other D players we add from here on out. Shall we send them your picks Tour?
Edit: And with Nassib etc. we have some good fresh legs all game long, something we have lacked for who knows how many years.
Yeah Ag, I've come around to your POV.. Can't get over that post I replied to. The guy wants to not only gift the Redskins Garret, but toss in the #52 this year, our first rounder next year and two seconds on top of that? I don't think Sashi and DePo would give up that much for Aaron Rodgers. (Not that he'd be traded for any amount)
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I would trade the #1 pick, the #52nd pick, our 1st next year, and two of our 2nds next year for this guy.
That would leave us with:
#12- Derek Barnett- Greg Williams pick. 4-3 DE who had 13 sacks in 2016 at Tennessee. 32 sacks in his career at Tennessee.
#33- Evan Engram- Cousins will need a big play TE to throw to and Evan has the athleticism and will provide some mismatches in the middle of the field. Utilizing him and Barnidge similarly would be helpful.
Rest of the draft go for S, CB, LBers, Oline.
If Gordon gets reinstated with no bs, Imagine him, Britt, Coleman. Barnidge, Engram, DeValve(good quality depth player)
Crow and Duke running behind a rejuvinated oline
We could sneak in with a wild card if we play our cards right..
I don't know where to begin...
sign him to a long term deal if before we trade for him
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