Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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@boo-fagley said:
Belichick does not want to make the Jets stronger with a good QB. Let them keep drafting busts. This draft is full of them.
HAHA
No, who wants to win this year or next. Having the most cap space and draft picks is what its all about. Ask any wannabe NFL GM.
Says here Cousins wants to go to the 49ers. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/14/cleveland-may-make-a-run-at-kirk-cousins/
Brisset is the back up now. Some team is getting Garropolo like I stated. NE is not going into this draft with no picks in the 1st and 2nd.
So? When is this Cousins deal supposed to go down? Dan Snyder basically says no way in hell is he trading Cousins.
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@boo-fagley said:
Belichick does not want to make the Jets stronger with a good QB. Let them keep drafting busts. This draft is full of them.
HAHA
No, who wants to win this year or next. Having the most cap space and draft picks is what its all about. Ask any wannabe NFL GM.
Says here Cousins wants to go to the 49ers. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/14/cleveland-may-make-a-run-at-kirk-cousins/
Brisset is the back up now. Some team is getting Garropolo like I stated. NE is not going into this draft with no picks in the 1st and 2nd.
The Patriots going to put a gun to other teams heads and force them to give you picks? Doesn't work that way. It would bring much joy and happiness to the other 31 teams if the Patriots don't have any first or second round picks. We'd be more than happy to see that the Patriots have Garropolo so drastically overvalued they screwed up giving away too much to land Cooks.
First, supposedly the Bears kicked the Jimmy tires and thought either- the asking price for Garropolo was too high or Glennon was a better option. They're not the only Franchise to be in the wait and see mode. The 49ers are waiting on Cousins, who possibly IS worth the #2 overall pick.
I pilfered this from another forum because it makes too much sense.....
IF Garoppolo is really this guy that all the GM's and HC's love, and
IF he is as ready to step in day 1 and be the starter,
THEN...
Why is it Houston is willing to wait around for a broken down war horse like Romo?
Why is it Denver is poking around offering a 1st for Joe Thomas when they could use it to get JG?
Why is it Washington doesn't just go after him and trade Cousins away to SF?
The reality is NO GOOD TEAM is connected to JG. Only a poor team with tons of assets. Now...there is only 1 reason I can think of for that...and that is NE and their team is filling the air waves (with shills like Lombardi and LaCanforya) trying to get someone to bite on BS rumors about the Browns wanting him.
Fact that trade value goes way down on draft day, and the Browns will bide their time.
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@boo-fagley said:
If Jamie Collins is really that good.
Why were there not more teams interested?
Why would Pittsburgh let Collins go to a rival when they are thin at LB?
Green Bay is wasting away the Rodgers years. Why didnt GB go all in and get Collins when they have the draft pick?
The answer is that there were no good teams that wanted Collins.
In regards to Houston the answer is so simple. Romo will be cut and cost nothing. Garrapolo wont.
So why was he the best player on the Browns defense?
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@boo-fagley said:
If Jamie Collins is really that good.
Why were there not more teams interested?
Why would Pittsburgh let Collins go to a rival when they are thin at LB?
Green Bay is wasting away the Rodgers years. Why didnt GB go all in and get Collins when they have the draft pick?
The answer is that there were no good teams that wanted Collins.
In regards to Houston the answer is so simple. Romo will be cut and cost nothing. Garrapolo wont.
It wasn't the Steelers' decision to trade Jamie Collins.
Nor was it the Packers'.
No one "let" anyone do anything.
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@boo-fagley said:
If Jamie Collins is really that good.
Why were there not more teams interested?
Why would Pittsburgh let Collins go to a rival when they are thin at LB?
Green Bay is wasting away the Rodgers years. Why didnt GB go all in and get Collins when they have the draft pick?
The answer is that there were no good teams that wanted Collins.
In regards to Houston the answer is so simple. Romo will be cut and cost nothing. Garrapolo wont.
He might well cost almost nothing, or other teams might tell you to keep him. In regards to the Steelers, they had Timmons at the time and Headhunter Harrison had found the Fountain of Youth, or you forget they could have had Hightower this month for the price of his contract? The Browns seriously needed LB help and getting a pro bowl linebacker for a comp third round pick was a bargain. Just another thing for you to realize in light of the previous, the Browns Front Office isn't going to be overpaying the Patriots for Garropolo either.
Two QB needy teams have essentially passed on Garropolo already. 49ers (Hoyer), and Bears (Glennon). LOL, if you're saying Brissett is the backup now, making Jimmy expendable seriously devalues him in the eyes of other GMs. That's what the 49ers and Bears already told you, he's sort of on the level of Hoyer and Glennon. OR, as I opined- they both thought the Patriots were asking way too damn much.
Ex GM's like Casserly saying "well this is what I would do" doesn't mean squat what the Browns might do. Face it, the Browns could easily go with Ostrich and Kessler, tank again for Darnold- or wait & see if the Patriots will franchise Garropolo, assuming that he's still on the roster.
Here's some media chatter for you to digest after North Carolina's Pro Day. Trubisky isn't getting past #12. He'll only cost the Browns one pick, not a bunch. Another reason the Browns will wait until the draft.
BTW- this media garbage is just as believable as the garbage floating around that the Browns will trade multiple picks for Garropolo. https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/03/22/cleveland-browns-settling-brock-osweiler-quarterback-2017/
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I'm one of the fools that completely believes we'll be trading multiple picks for Garoppolo. It just makes too much sense. We've been acquiring picks for the past two years, and we've kept up that mantra already in this offseason. We're getting as much ammo as we possibly can to make a trade. Garoppolo is ready to start right now. He's got a quick release, scans the field, and isn't afraid to attack the middle. I think he's almost exactly what Hue is looking for. This is just my wild-ass opinion, and I obviously don't have a shred of insider knowledge or anything, but I think JG is the direction we're at least TRYING to go. I believe the ONLY hold up is whether or not the Patriots even WANT to trade the guy. However, with them not having a first or second round pick...I think they'd be CRAZY for not making the move.
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. Timmons is gone with Harrison right behind him.
HGHarrison has signed a 2 year extension.
To me...that move smacks of desperation. He turns 39 years old on Star Wars Day. (born May 4, 1978)
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@boo-fagley said:
It was the Steelers and Packers choice to pass on Collins when both teams are Super Bowl contenders.
How do you know the Patriots didn't refuse to trade him to the Steelers? You constantly report your guesswork as facts on here.
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@boo-fagley said:
It was the Steelers and Packers choice to pass on Collins when both teams are Super Bowl contenders.
How do you know the Patriots didn't refuse to trade him to the Steelers? You constantly report your guesswork as facts on here.
How do you know the Patriots didn't refuse to trade him to the Steelers? You constantly report your guesswork as facts on here.
How do we know that he was shopped around to any team other than the Browns? Steelers/Packers/Gladiators/Banana Slugs?
Is every time a trade is discussed between two teams for a player, does the team that holds his rights go off seeking other offers? I don't think that is the case.
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How do you know the Patriots didn't refuse to trade him to the Steelers? You constantly report your guesswork as facts on here.
How do we know that he was shopped around to any team other than the Browns? Steelers/Packers/Gladiators/Banana Slugs?
Is every time a trade is discussed between two teams for a player, does the team that holds his rights go off seeking other offers? I don't think that is the case.
How do we know that he was shopped around to any team other than the Browns? Steelers/Packers/Gladiators/Banana Slugs?
Is every time a trade is discussed between two teams for a player, does the team that holds his rights go off seeking other offers? I don't think that is the case.
I doubt BB is calling a perennial threat in the AFC up offering them his players.
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Personally, I think the Browns would prefer to have Jimmy G as their starting qb, but they won't overpay for him. They have shown especially in Free Agency, they are willing to do things on their terms only and won't bend no matter what the public pressure or outside forces are saying. I think this is a very good quality in a front office, especially considering they are fairly young in the game. I believe they have made what they believe to be more than a fair offer to NE for his services, but NE just isn't ready to part with him yet. I truly think they are going to hold onto him through next year, tag him, and then trade him away. he may lose draft pick value overall, but in their eyes, it's super bowl or bust. If they lose brady, Jimmy g still can get them a super bowl win. I'm not sure Jacoby Brisset can do that at this point of his career. Once again, it's the value of the player to the organization. Different teams have different terms of value. Each team holds different players at different positions with a certain value marker. NE is holding their back-up qb, with a very strong sense of value and understand his loss could be detrimental to the overall team's success. That being said, with the Jamie Collins deal, NE saw that even though his value was very high as a player, their defense could survive without him. With both him and Hightower being unrestricted FA's, they knew they would only be able to afford one of them. They placed a higher value on retraining Hightower than Collins. When the Browns called about his services, they reached a deal that was in their minds reasonable value for him. I don't think it has anything to do with being a good trade/bad trade type scenario but simply, a matter of how to maintain team success within the current structure of the nfl. The patriots have proven this time and time again. How does this all tie back to JImmy G and the Browns? To me, it's two teams who are largely working in very similar manners evaluating the value of each player and what it is worth to them. For the patriots, a very good back-up qb is more important to retain than a very good linebacker. To the browns, they were able to obtain a very good linebacker for a reasonable price. They would like to get Jimmy G, but they also recognize that they are not in a position to mortgage the future of the team for one player no matter whom the player maybe.
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Personally, I think the Browns would prefer to have Jimmy G as their starting qb, but they won't overpay for him. They have shown especially in Free Agency, they are willing to do things on their terms only and won't bend no matter what the public pressure or outside forces are saying. I think this is a very good quality in a front office, especially considering they are fairly young in the game. I believe they have made what they believe to be more than a fair offer to NE for his services, but NE just isn't ready to part with him yet. I truly think they are going to hold onto him through next year, tag him, and then trade him away. he may lose draft pick value overall, but in their eyes, it's super bowl or bust. If they lose brady, Jimmy g still can get them a super bowl win. I'm not sure Jacoby Brisset can do that at this point of his career. Once again, it's the value of the player to the organization. Different teams have different terms of value. Each team holds different players at different positions with a certain value marker. NE is holding their back-up qb, with a very strong sense of value and understand his loss could be detrimental to the overall team's success. That being said, with the Jamie Collins deal, NE saw that even though his value was very high as a player, their defense could survive without him. With both him and Hightower being unrestricted FA's, they knew they would only be able to afford one of them. They placed a higher value on retraining Hightower than Collins. When the Browns called about his services, they reached a deal that was in their minds reasonable value for him. I don't think it has anything to do with being a good trade/bad trade type scenario but simply, a matter of how to maintain team success within the current structure of the nfl. The patriots have proven this time and time again. How does this all tie back to JImmy G and the Browns? To me, it's two teams who are largely working in very similar manners evaluating the value of each player and what it is worth to them. For the patriots, a very good back-up qb is more important to retain than a very good linebacker. To the browns, they were able to obtain a very good linebacker for a reasonable price. They would like to get Jimmy G, but they also recognize that they are not in a position to mortgage the future of the team for one player no matter whom the player maybe.
Personally, I think the Browns would prefer to have Jimmy G as their starting qb, but they won't overpay for him. They have shown especially in Free Agency, they are willing to do things on their terms only and won't bend no matter what the public pressure or outside forces are saying. I think this is a very good quality in a front office, especially considering they are fairly young in the game. I believe they have made what they believe to be more than a fair offer to NE for his services, but NE just isn't ready to part with him yet. I truly think they are going to hold onto him through next year, tag him, and then trade him away. he may lose draft pick value overall, but in their eyes, it's super bowl or bust. If they lose brady, Jimmy g still can get them a super bowl win. I'm not sure Jacoby Brisset can do that at this point of his career. Once again, it's the value of the player to the organization. Different teams have different terms of value. Each team holds different players at different positions with a certain value marker. NE is holding their back-up qb, with a very strong sense of value and understand his loss could be detrimental to the overall team's success. That being said, with the Jamie Collins deal, NE saw that even though his value was very high as a player, their defense could survive without him. With both him and Hightower being unrestricted FA's, they knew they would only be able to afford one of them. They placed a higher value on retraining Hightower than Collins. When the Browns called about his services, they reached a deal that was in their minds reasonable value for him. I don't think it has anything to do with being a good trade/bad trade type scenario but simply, a matter of how to maintain team success within the current structure of the nfl. The patriots have proven this time and time again. How does this all tie back to JImmy G and the Browns? To me, it's two teams who are largely working in very similar manners evaluating the value of each player and what it is worth to them. For the patriots, a very good back-up qb is more important to retain than a very good linebacker. To the browns, they were able to obtain a very good linebacker for a reasonable price. They would like to get Jimmy G, but they also recognize that they are not in a position to mortgage the future of the team for one player no matter whom the player maybe.
Pats ain't winning no Super Bowl next year without Brady. JG is unproven...and ain't no Tom Brady.
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@boo-fagley said:
There were other offers. Lower than the Browns.
Collins must be not very good.
How the fuck do you know that? You don't. As he said, you are just making this shit up it seems. Show a link to something legitimate that even speculated that there were other offers.
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@boo-fagley said:
To reap as many high draft picks as possible to load the Patriots for bear.
Only told you 20X already the Browns won't be that stupid.
@boo-fagley said:
It was the Steelers and Packers choice to pass on Collins when both teams are Super Bowl contenders.
There was no place on the Packers or Steelers rosters with Mathews and Timmons respectively already in place.
@boo-fagley said:
There were other offers. Lower than the Browns.
Collins must be not very good.
Yeah, he's so bad the Browns decided he was worth more than Hightower- and hey cap guru- if the Browns had wanted to, they had the the money to sign Hightower to reunite him with Collins. But they happen to think Kirksey will do just fine for a lot less money.
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Personally, I think the Browns would prefer to have Jimmy G as their starting qb, but they won't overpay for him. They have shown especially in Free Agency, they are willing to do things on their terms only and won't bend no matter what the public pressure or outside forces are saying. I think this is a very good quality in a front office, especially considering they are fairly young in the game. I believe they have made what they believe to be more than a fair offer to NE for his services, but NE just isn't ready to part with him yet. I truly think they are going to hold onto him through next year, tag him, and then trade him away. he may lose draft pick value overall, but in their eyes, it's super bowl or bust. If they lose brady, Jimmy g still can get them a super bowl win. I'm not sure Jacoby Brisset can do that at this point of his career. Once again, it's the value of the player to the organization. Different teams have different terms of value. Each team holds different players at different positions with a certain value marker. NE is holding their back-up qb, with a very strong sense of value and understand his loss could be detrimental to the overall team's success. That being said, with the Jamie Collins deal, NE saw that even though his value was very high as a player, their defense could survive without him. With both him and Hightower being unrestricted FA's, they knew they would only be able to afford one of them. They placed a higher value on retraining Hightower than Collins. When the Browns called about his services, they reached a deal that was in their minds reasonable value for him. I don't think it has anything to do with being a good trade/bad trade type scenario but simply, a matter of how to maintain team success within the current structure of the nfl. The patriots have proven this time and time again. How does this all tie back to JImmy G and the Browns? To me, it's two teams who are largely working in very similar manners evaluating the value of each player and what it is worth to them. For the patriots, a very good back-up qb is more important to retain than a very good linebacker. To the browns, they were able to obtain a very good linebacker for a reasonable price. They would like to get Jimmy G, but they also recognize that they are not in a position to mortgage the future of the team for one player no matter whom the player maybe.
Personally, I think the Browns would prefer to have Jimmy G as their starting qb, but they won't overpay for him. They have shown especially in Free Agency, they are willing to do things on their terms only and won't bend no matter what the public pressure or outside forces are saying. I think this is a very good quality in a front office, especially considering they are fairly young in the game. I believe they have made what they believe to be more than a fair offer to NE for his services, but NE just isn't ready to part with him yet. I truly think they are going to hold onto him through next year, tag him, and then trade him away. he may lose draft pick value overall, but in their eyes, it's super bowl or bust. If they lose brady, Jimmy g still can get them a super bowl win. I'm not sure Jacoby Brisset can do that at this point of his career. Once again, it's the value of the player to the organization. Different teams have different terms of value. Each team holds different players at different positions with a certain value marker. NE is holding their back-up qb, with a very strong sense of value and understand his loss could be detrimental to the overall team's success. That being said, with the Jamie Collins deal, NE saw that even though his value was very high as a player, their defense could survive without him. With both him and Hightower being unrestricted FA's, they knew they would only be able to afford one of them. They placed a higher value on retraining Hightower than Collins. When the Browns called about his services, they reached a deal that was in their minds reasonable value for him. I don't think it has anything to do with being a good trade/bad trade type scenario but simply, a matter of how to maintain team success within the current structure of the nfl. The patriots have proven this time and time again. How does this all tie back to JImmy G and the Browns? To me, it's two teams who are largely working in very similar manners evaluating the value of each player and what it is worth to them. For the patriots, a very good back-up qb is more important to retain than a very good linebacker. To the browns, they were able to obtain a very good linebacker for a reasonable price. They would like to get Jimmy G, but they also recognize that they are not in a position to mortgage the future of the team for one player no matter whom the player maybe.
A fair and unbiased take.
OK guys this has gone on long enough. The lines are drawn in the sand, about everyone has their minds made up about Jimmy, one way or another. This is turning into a debate squad event. The relative merits of the guy, as well as the risks to the Browns have been gone over ad nauseum. Boo is just cooking up regurgitated crap that's been refuted 10X over. So I'm closing the thread- 800+ posts about a backup quarterback who's not even on the Browns- and who may never be is plain crazy. Unless and until there's definitive information from the Browns or Patriots let's just give it a rest. In another thread.
Please- Thank you.
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