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Tour2ma

@wargograw said:

My ranking at 12:

Trubisky

Allen

Foster

Adams

Hooker

Thomas

Howard

Except for Adams and Thomas being too low, I resemble that remark...

Plus I still don't see a place for Trubs...

Adams
Allen
Thomas
Foster
Hooker
Howard

So I guess the resemblance is slight at best...

The Gipper

@gumby73 said:
Yep. And Watson too. would we want it any other way

I don't think it is a matter of what we want. Yes, I would want MT to last til 12. But just because we want something does not mean it is going to happen.

The Jets did not bring Josh McCown in to be their future QB. He came in to be a bridge QB...and they are going to draft a QB, and from what I have read/heard Trubisky is likely #1 on their hit list.

So....under any circumstances, if he does not go to the 49ers (and I think they pass only if the acquire Cousins), then the Jets will go for him.

Plus, both the Chargers and the Saints who both draft before the Browns do at 12 could take MT..or Watson...or both, on as a future QB to replace their 36 and 38 year old QBs respectively.

The Gipper

While I don't have "Insider Access" to ESPN.com, I did notice yesterday that on the latest Mel Kiper mock draft that he had 3 Ohio State DBs taken in the Top 15: Lattimore, Hooker, and Gareon Conley.

I would venture to say that would be a first if it happened. Three DBs from on school taken in the top half of the first round of a draft.

LondonBrown

Conley blew it up at the combine i was hoping he'd fall to 33

wargograw

@tour2ma said:

Except for Adams and Thomas being too low, I resemble that remark...

Plus I still don't see a place for Trubs...

Adams

Allen

Thomas

Foster

Hooker

Howard

So I guess the resemblance is slight at best...

Where do you value Trubisky?

The Gipper

@wargograw said:
Where do you value Trubisky?

I don't know about where the person you are addressing values him, but here is an article about Mel Kiper's latest mock draft. It has the Browns taking both Garrett and Trubisky at 1 and 12.

(I am still not of the opinion that he will be there at 12....Kiper's prior mock had him going #2....but he says the signing of Hoyer and Barkley by the Niners negates them taking a QB at #2. I am not sure I buy that completely)

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/espn-draft-expert-now-projecting-151948338.html

LondonBrown

SF aren't taking a QB they will get Cousins next year.

Jets look most likely to take a QB in the top 10

The Gipper

@londonbrown said:

SF aren't taking a QB they will get Cousins next year.

Jets look most likely to take a QB in the top 10

I know that SF and Cousins want that deal to happen. Skins have said NYET, so far anyway. I would like to see that deal happen.

But if they did the deal...who plays QB for the Skins? McCoy? The skins then become almost a certainty to be in the QB market (they draft #17 overall)....unless they want to bring in Cutler or Kaepernick. Those talks could certainly be happening.

Yes, Jets probably ARE THE most likely.

McCown...no future there. Hackenberg/Petty? Any future there if they don't take a QB.

Tour2ma

@wargograw said:
Where do you value Trubisky?

I'm not sure I've ever been asked a harder question.

I tried placing him in my revision to your list at 3... stepped back... moved him to 5... then 6... then off. He is simply not in my top group of players... my impact guys.

And I have players all over my board who I think have a better shot being a career starter in the NFL than Trubs... even have one in the 6th round whose odds I like better.

Not trying to dodge answering, but so far I guess I do not have a value on him...

TexasAg1969

Ok-take the poll.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/is_myles_garrett_your_no_1_pic.html#incart_river_index

Tour2ma

@texasag1969 said:

Ok-take the poll.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/is_myles_garrett_your_no_1_pic.html#incart_river_index

WOW...

Now that's what a landslide looks like!

Orion

@the-gipper said:

I don't know about where the person you are addressing values him, but here is an article about Mel Kiper's latest mock draft. It has the Browns taking both Garrett and Trubisky at 1 and 12.

(I am still not of the opinion that he will be there at 12....Kiper's prior mock had him going #2....but he says the signing of Hoyer and Barkley by the Niners negates them taking a QB at #2. I am not sure I buy that completely)

This

I've said before that MT will not be there after the Jets pick...and maybe not even then.

If someone wants him they will need to trade up to #5 (Tennessee).

...Now, if ALL the stars lined up and the Jets didn't pick him then Buffalo would probably pull the trigger. In which case Hue would have to trade with his old team.

I personally feel that some of what the 'Harvard Committee' does will be based upon the thickness of the ice they think they're standing on. I mean, let's face it, they took over a bad team and managed to make them horrendous......with a trigger fingered owner.

Tour2ma

Couple more "pro" mocks...

BLEACHER REPORT: Brent Sobleski

(Posted March 21)

1.01 Garrett

1.12 Patrick Mahomes

2.01 Obi Melifonwu, UConn (33),

2.20 DT Montravius Adams. Auburn (52),

3.01 TE Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech (65),

4.01 CB Howard Wilson, Houston (108),

5.01 S Rudy Ford, Auburn (145),

5.32 DT Tanzel Smart, Tulane (175),

5.38 WR Trent Taylor, Louisiana Tech (181),

6.01 LB Calvin Munson, San Diego State (185) and

6.04 QB Josh Dobbs, Tennessee (188).

SPORTS ILLUSTRATED: Chris Burke

(Posted March 22)

On March 15, Burke's mock draft 7.0 had the Browns taking Garrett No. 1 and Trubisky No. 12. His version 8.0 has Garrett and Trubisky again going to the Browns, but a trade with the Jaguars for the fourth pick is required to get their quarterback.

Burke's deal has the Browns trading No. 12, No. 33 (second round) and No. 175 (fifth round) for the Jaguars' No. 4 and No. 187 (sixth round). He has the Jaguars landing Allen at No. 12.

NFL.COM: Lance Zierlein

(Posted March 27)

Zierlein has projected a few trades in his latest mock draft. They include the 49ers (No. 2) and Panthers (No. swapping picks, and the Panthers taking DE Solomon Thomas at No. 2. But perhaps the real surprise is his pick at No. 12 for the Browns: Alabama DE Jonathan Allen. It's as far as we've seen Allen fall in mock drafts, although a pairing of Garrett and Allen would certainly change the look of the Browns' defensive line.

CBSSPORTS.COM: Rob Rang

(Posted March 27)

Just like last week, Rang has the Browns getting the Garrett-Trubisky combo in the first round.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/nfl_mock_draft_2017_roundup_a.html

Bigalow80

i have a feeling Allen is going to slide purely based on his medical. Look what happened to Myles Jack last year. He fell all the way to the second round. Similar to Daquan Bowers from a few years ago as well. Also, IMOP Allen kind of has that Aaron Donald feel to him where everyone knows he is a great player, but for some reason he slid down the board. Finally, I don't think a qb is going in the top 10. SF, CHI, and the Jets are all going to wait because they have bigger needs. I think the Jets are pulling a Cleveland and are going to try and tank this year to set themselves up for next year. Not a chance the Bills take a qb after re-signing TT. Basically, that leaves NO, whom I think would take one of the qb's there before CLE picks. However, if Allen or Thomas are still on the board and there, I think you have to take them over the qb. That is a defensive nightmare for opposing teams. I would then try to trade back up into the first to grab either MT, DW or PM whomever is left. After CLE drafts at 12, ARZ is a threat to take a qb and then no one else really until HOU at 25. I just feel all these qb's are bunched together with not much separating them in order to justify taking someone so high.

Tour2ma

Casserly's 3.0 is out... something for everybody...

1.01 Garrett

1.12 Hooker

1.32 Trubs

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000795664/article/casserly-mock-draft-30-browns-make-trade-add-three-stars?campaign=tw-cf-sf66279397-sf66279397&utm_source=Direct

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Casserly's 3.0 is out... something for everybody...

1.01 Garrett

1.12 Hooker

1.32 Trubs

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000795664/article/casserly-mock-draft-30-browns-make-trade-add-three-stars?campaign=tw-cf-sf66279397-sf66279397&utm_source=Direct

Problem sometimes with a guy like Casserly is that they make mock drafts based on what they WANT to happen, not based on what decisions they think teams will make.

Neither Hooker nor MT last as long as he says. He just put them there because he wants to.

Tour2ma

... or because he doesn't think they are worth taking earlier. Something with which I agree.

MLD Woody

I'd take Garrett + Allen over Garrett + Trubisky any day

LogicIsForSquares

@mld-woody said:
I'd take Garrett + Allen over Garrett + Trubisky any day

I am with you there. That would be a pretty nice combo to get in the first round.

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:
... or because he doesn't think they are worth taking earlier. Something with which I agree.

That is what I said. He is doing a mock based on HIS opinion....which ain't better than yours. Like I said, he is NOT doing a mock based on what he thinks the teams will do...which, in my opinion is what I think a mock draft should be.

I already have a bet with Stan for a pitcher of Margarita's that MT will go in the Top 12 (or was it 10...I would have to check).

You wanna enter the fray?