My 2 Round Mock Draft
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No indictment of yours darren, just a general observation and question...
Why has Cam Robinson been falling into the 2nd round in so many of the mocks I've been following...
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Lots of pundits have him as a right tackle only in the NFL .....say he needs to lose weight and pick up speed to be a right tackle
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Lots of pundits have him as a right tackle only in the NFL .....say he needs to lose weight and pick up speed to be a right tackle
I was going to dump on a mere, two-round effort, but since you did every team rather than just the Browns, I can't...
... and now I hate you for that...
Lots of pundits have him as a right tackle only in the NFL .....say he needs to lose weight and pick up speed to be a right tackle
... and while his BAMA tape was generally good, he showed flaws, e.g., lowering his head into contact and not using his long arms to significant advantage. At best I saw him as a R1-2 cusp prospect. But then the only solid R1 I saw in the entire OL class was Lamp, who I think can perform at OT, but likely excels at OG at the next level.
Then Cam's Combine drills ranged from ordinary to bad. Of his measurements only his 5.15-40 and 1.8-ish 10-yd split were close to impressive. He came off a little stiff-hipped in his field drills. Never have seen a Bench press result for him.
The plus is Cam's feet. While he's not completely in command of how to use them to greatest advantage yet, e.g., currently shows more of a chopping retreat in PassPro than a kick-slide, he will probably develop that technique... out of necessity.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I was going to dump on a mere, two-round effort, but since you did every team rather than just the Browns, I can't...
... and now I hate you for that...
Lots of pundits have him as a right tackle only in the NFL .....say he needs to lose weight and pick up speed to be a right tackle
... and while his BAMA tape was generally good, he showed flaws, e.g., lowering his head into contact and not using his long arms to significant advantage. At best I saw him as a R1-2 cusp prospect. But then the only solid R1 I saw in the entire OL class was Lamp, who I think can perform at OT, but likely excels at OG at the next level.
Then Cam's Combine drills ranged from ordinary to bad. Of his measurements only his 5.15-40 and 1.8-ish 10-yd split were close to impressive. He came off a little stiff-hipped in his field drills. Never have seen a Bench press result for him.
The plus is Cam's feet. While he's not completely in command of how to use them to greatest advantage yet, e.g., currently shows more of a chopping retreat in PassPro than a kick-slide, he will probably develop that technique... out of necessity.
I was going to dump on a mere, two-round effort, but since you did every team rather than just the Browns, I can't...
... and now I hate you for that...
... and while his BAMA tape was generally good, he showed flaws, e.g., lowering his head into contact and not using his long arms to significant advantage. At best I saw him as a R1-2 cusp prospect. But then the only solid R1 I saw in the entire OL class was Lamp, who I think can perform at OT, but likely excels at OG at the next level.
Then Cam's Combine drills ranged from ordinary to bad. Of his measurements only his 5.15-40 and 1.8-ish 10-yd split were close to impressive. He came off a little stiff-hipped in his field drills. Never have seen a Bench press result for him.
The plus is Cam's feet. While he's not completely in command of how to use them to greatest advantage yet, e.g., currently shows more of a chopping retreat in PassPro than a kick-slide, he will probably develop that technique... out of necessity.
Sure you aren't talking about Brandon Schreff (Iowa?) from a couple years back. This sounds very familiar to me.
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I was going to dump on a mere, two-round effort, but since you did every team rather than just the Browns, I can't...
... and now I hate you for that...
... and while his BAMA tape was generally good, he showed flaws, e.g., lowering his head into contact and not using his long arms to significant advantage. At best I saw him as a R1-2 cusp prospect. But then the only solid R1 I saw in the entire OL class was Lamp, who I think can perform at OT, but likely excels at OG at the next level.
Then Cam's Combine drills ranged from ordinary to bad. Of his measurements only his 5.15-40 and 1.8-ish 10-yd split were close to impressive. He came off a little stiff-hipped in his field drills. Never have seen a Bench press result for him.
The plus is Cam's feet. While he's not completely in command of how to use them to greatest advantage yet, e.g., currently shows more of a chopping retreat in PassPro than a kick-slide, he will probably develop that technique... out of necessity.
Sure you aren't talking about Brandon Schreff (Iowa?) from a couple years back. This sounds very familiar to me.
Sure you aren't talking about Brandon Schreff (Iowa?) from a couple years back. This sounds very familiar to me.
No way... I dumped on Scherff a lot harder. Can even remember starting with an "I just don't get what others are seeing" type comment and ended with something along the lines of a "maybe at OG, but not at OT". That said, he seems to have done better at OG than I'd have projected, but no one spends the pick WSH did on an OG.
Dumped harder on Greg Robinson, too... although for the opposite reason as Cam. Greg's tape was really weak, IMO, but his Combine was great... had NFL folks drooling over his "athleticism".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sure you aren't talking about Brandon Schreff (Iowa?) from a couple years back. This sounds very familiar to me.
No way... I dumped on Scherff a lot harder. Can even remember starting with an "I just don't get what others are seeing" type comment and ended with something along the lines of a "maybe at OG, but not at OT". That said, he seems to have done better at OG than I'd have projected, but no one spends the pick WSH did on an OG.
Dumped harder on Greg Robinson, too... although for the opposite reason as Cam. Greg's tape was really weak, IMO, but his Combine was great... had NFL folks drooling over his "athleticism".
No way... I dumped on Scherff a lot harder. Can even remember starting with an "I just don't get what others are seeing" type comment and ended with something along the lines of a "maybe at OG, but not at OT". That said, he seems to have done better at OG than I'd have projected, but no one spends the pick WSH did on an OG.
Dumped harder on Greg Robinson, too... although for the opposite reason as Cam. Greg's tape was really weak, IMO, but his Combine was great... had NFL folks drooling over his "athleticism".
Pretty sure there were a couple shots called on Schreff's need to be moved to guard.
To Cams credit, I see him generate more push up front in the run game than I saw Brandon. This is the area I yield to you on, but would a similar 'draft high, kick him inside' situation happen in this draft?.... Yeah, I can see that happening. I feel Cam would be more effective on the interior than Schreff. Though he has come along nicely for Washington, his rookie year was.... just bad.
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As is... I can't disagree, but I see OT possibilities in Cam.
My biggest question mark this go 'round is Ramczyk... can't warm up to him and can't put my finger on why.
I have two "loves" in the OL this class: Lamp and Dawkins. I think both can excel inside, but have a very good shot at being successful at OT to boot. And one value-like, UK's Center, Toth with an honorable mention to cal's guy, Moton.
But any takes I have this year have to be looked at in the light that I did not deep dive after FA. I just don't see us as OL players this draft unless it is very late, e.g. tabbing Ole Miss' Justin Senior in the 6th, as I did in my mocks. So all I have are preliminary notes that I never took the time to post. It just seemed like it would be a waste of time.
Just as weekly grading did during the 2016 season... still have Week 17 "in the can" in case I get super bored some afternoon, however.
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Sure you aren't talking about Brandon Schreff (Iowa?) from a couple years back. This sounds very familiar to me.
No way... I dumped on Scherff a lot harder. Can even remember starting with an "I just don't get what others are seeing" type comment and ended with something along the lines of a "maybe at OG, but not at OT". That said, he seems to have done better at OG than I'd have projected, but no one spends the pick WSH did on an OG.
Dumped harder on Greg Robinson, too... although for the opposite reason as Cam. Greg's tape was really weak, IMO, but his Combine was great... had NFL folks drooling over his "athleticism".
Dumped harder on Greg Robinson, too... although for the opposite reason as Cam. Greg's tape was really weak, IMO, but his Combine was great... had NFL folks drooling over his "athleticism".
I remember Greg Cosell and Ross Tucker being baffled about Greg Robinsons draft status they hated him.
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Jabrill Peppers, LB?
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Gerbil Peppers, LB?
We don't have an overwhelming need at PR.
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I'm asking if the OP actually thinks he's a LB?
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Sorry I could of had him as a strong safety too but the official school thread has him as a linebacker
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jabrill_peppers_906061.html
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I think Conley is terrific - but I can't imagine him falling out of the first round. He showed tremendous
loose hips, speed, there isn't a reason for him to fall. I think at least six cb's go in the first round.
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I think Conley is terrific - but I can't imagine him falling out of the first round. He showed tremendous
loose hips, speed, there isn't a reason for him to fall. I think at least six cb's go in the first round.
I think Conley is terrific - but I can't imagine him falling out of the first round. He showed tremendous
loose hips, speed, there isn't a reason for him to fall. I think at least six cb's go in the first round.
I agree on the speed and hips, but he'll need to work on his hands at the next level as he never really jams guys at the line. Conley should be taken in the first round, but with this DB class being as deep as it is, it wouldn't be too shocking to see him slip through the cracks.
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Agree... Deep CB class could mean teams go elsewhere after Lattimore is picked.
Add that IMO the fall off in talent at other positions is far greater after the top one or two prospects. I think that's what happened in our forum mock which stalled at 3 CBs. Then in our Round 2 they exploded with 6 taken.
Safeties followed a similar pattern with 3 in the 1st and 5 in the 2nd.
Will be interesting to see how predictive we were.
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I dont know how people manage to do 7 rounds...2 took me an eternity to do ....biggest faller Deshone Kizer...biggest surprises Caleb Brantley and Justin Evans ....tear it to bits guys
ROUND 1
Browns Myles Garrett DE
49rs Soloman Thomas DE
Bears Jamal Adams S
Jags Leonard Fournette RB
Titans Marshon Lattimore CB
Jets Mitch Trubisky QB
Chargers Malik Hooker S
Panthers Derek Barnett DE
Bengals Jonathan Allen DT
Bills Mike Williams WR
Saints Reuben Foster LB
Browns OJ Howard TE
Cards Patrick Mahomes QB
Eagles Caleb Brantley DT
Colts Delvin Cook RB
Ravens Corey Davis WR
Redskins Christian McCaffrey RB
Titans John Ross WR
Buccs Justin Evans S
Broncos Ryan Ramczyk OT
Lions Taco Charlton DE
Dolphins Tre Davious White CB
Giants Jabrill. Peppers LB
Raiders Jarrad Davis LB
Texans Deshaun Watson QB
Seahawks Forrest Lamp OG
Chiefs Malik McDowell DT
Cowboys Marlon Humphrey CB
Packers Takk McKinley DE
Steelers Zach Cunningham LB
Falcons David Njoku TE
Saints Haason Reddick LB
ROUND 2
Browns Garreon Conley CB
49rs Gerald Everett TE
Jags Evan Engram TE
Bears Garrett Bolles OT
Rams Budda Baker S
Chargers Cam Robinson OT
Jets Cordrea Tankersley CB
Panthers Joe Mixon RB
Bengals Raekwon McMillen LB
Saints Zay Jones WR
Eagles Alvin Kamara RB
Bills Teez Tabor CB
Cards Adoree Jackson CB
Colts Tim Williams DE/OLB
Ravens Ryan Anderson OLB
Vikings Montavious Adams DT
Redskins Marcus Maye S
Buccs Samaje Perine RB
Broncos TJ Watt LB
Browns Marcus Williams S
Lions Antonio Garcia OT
Dolphins Carl Lawson OLB
Giants Demarcus Walker DE
Raiders Charles Harris DE
Texans Dan Feeney OG
Seahawks Kevin King CB
Chiefs Deshone Kizer QB
Cowboys Obi Melfonwu S
Packers Chidobe Awuzie CB
Steelers Tyus Bowser OLB
Falcons Chris Wormley DE
Panthers Cooper Kupp WR
I dont know how people manage to do 7 rounds...2 took me an eternity to do ....biggest faller Deshone Kizer...biggest surprises Caleb Brantley and Justin Evans ....tear it to bits guys
I was going to dump on a mere, two-round effort, but since you did every team rather than just the Browns, I can't...
... and now I hate you for that...
Damn good effort Darren.....and I had the same thought as Tour....exactly.....2 rounds?.....whats so hard about that.....
Then I open the thread,,,,,and Whoa!
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Agree with Mud. And it's why many of the pro mocks stick to one round. Just too many damn variables when a real draft takes place.
I'm off to watch the A&M spring game today. One for sure first rounder in WR Kirk and several new faces on D that will eventually be there too hopefully.
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I dont know how people manage to do 7 rounds...2 took me an eternity to do ....biggest faller Deshone Kizer...biggest surprises Caleb Brantley and Justin Evans ....tear it to bits guys
ROUND 1
Browns Myles Garrett DE
49rs Soloman Thomas DE
Bears Jamal Adams S
Jags Leonard Fournette RB
Titans Marshon Lattimore CB
Jets Mitch Trubisky QB
Chargers Malik Hooker S
Panthers Derek Barnett DE
Bengals Jonathan Allen DT
Bills Mike Williams WR
Saints Reuben Foster LB
Browns OJ Howard TE
Cards Patrick Mahomes QB
Eagles Caleb Brantley DT
Colts Delvin Cook RB
Ravens Corey Davis WR
Redskins Christian McCaffrey RB
Titans John Ross WR
Buccs Justin Evans S
Broncos Ryan Ramczyk OT
Lions Taco Charlton DE
Dolphins Tre Davious White CB
Giants Jabrill. Peppers LB
Raiders Jarrad Davis LB
Texans Deshaun Watson QB
Seahawks Forrest Lamp OG
Chiefs Malik McDowell DT
Cowboys Marlon Humphrey CB
Packers Takk McKinley DE
Steelers Zach Cunningham LB
Falcons David Njoku TE
Saints Haason Reddick LB
ROUND 2
Browns Garreon Conley CB
49rs Gerald Everett TE
Jags Evan Engram TE
Bears Garrett Bolles OT
Rams Budda Baker S
Chargers Cam Robinson OT
Jets Cordrea Tankersley CB
Panthers Joe Mixon RB
Bengals Raekwon McMillen LB
Saints Zay Jones WR
Eagles Alvin Kamara RB
Bills Teez Tabor CB
Cards Adoree Jackson CB
Colts Tim Williams DE/OLB
Ravens Ryan Anderson OLB
Vikings Montavious Adams DT
Redskins Marcus Maye S
Buccs Samaje Perine RB
Broncos TJ Watt LB
Browns Marcus Williams S
Lions Antonio Garcia OT
Dolphins Carl Lawson OLB
Giants Demarcus Walker DE
Raiders Charles Harris DE
Texans Dan Feeney OG
Seahawks Kevin King CB
Chiefs Deshone Kizer QB
Cowboys Obi Melfonwu S
Packers Chidobe Awuzie CB
Steelers Tyus Bowser OLB
Falcons Chris Wormley DE
Panthers Cooper Kupp WR
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Sad Day in Greenville,NC
. I have now thrown in my red challenge flag too. My long dream of my hometown guy WR-Zay Jones becoming a Brown has ended. Zay just barely makes it past pick #33 Every damn mock out there including First-pick. He just will not make it to our pick at 52. In a last ditch effort am buying the drinks & Zay's driving 
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Sad Day in Greenville,NC
. I have now thrown in my red challenge flag too. My long dream of my hometown guy WR-Zay Jones becoming a Brown has ended. Zay just barely makes it past pick #33 Every damn mock out there including First-pick. He just will not make it to our pick at 52. In a last ditch effort am buying the drinks & Zay's driving Sad Day in Greenville,NC
. I have now thrown in my red challenge flag too. My long dream of my hometown guy WR-Zay Jones becoming a Brown has ended. Zay just barely makes it past pick #33 Every damn mock out there including First-pick. He just will not make it to our pick at 52. In a last ditch effort am buying the drinks & Zay's driving Say... Zayonarra...
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