Browns "BPA" Draft
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According to just CBS*
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just sports exchange: (Trubs is #11)
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great blue north has him #11
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great blue north has him #11
great blue north has him #11
Yikes! who you taking at 12 with ^^ this? they got Watson pegged too..player? trade down to where?
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Wtf is great blue North?
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The south was gray during the civil war.
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Drafting BPA is the mantra echoed by many so-called pundits. Since the Browns can arguably benefit from increasing their talent level across the roster, I thought it would be interesting to see what a Browns draft that employed the BPA strategy would look like. The overall position in the draft where each player is selected - indicated by the number in parentheses - is also their actual overall prospect ranking (BPA rankings are according to CBS.com's 2017 NFL Draft Prospects Ranker):
1.01 (1) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
1.12 (12) Mitch Trubisky, QB, UNC
2.01 (33) Kevin King, CB, Washington
2.20 (52) Chris Goodwin, WR, PSU
3.01 (65) Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan
4.01 (108) Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
5.01 (145) Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF
5.31 (175) Damonte Kazee, CB San Diego State
5.37 (181) Sam Tevi, OT, Utah
6.01 (185) Jon Toth, C, Kentucky
6.04 (188) Hunter Dimick, DE, Utah
This draft isn't bad. The first three rounds are actually pretty darn good. However, this draft doesn't provide any help for one of the Browns' glaring needs: FS and SS. Since the Browns didn't help themselves in this area during free agency, this draft would arguably leave the Browns with a less-than-ideal defensive backfield.
Here's my re-draft, reflecting more of a needs strategy plus my own opinions. For example, I don't think that the Browns should draft a QB early, if at all - I would be prepared to hand the job to Cody Kessler and see what he can do with a much better offensive line in front of him. Also, I do think that the Browns need to improve their defense in a big way, and since this draft is supposedly full of quality defensive players I would recommend that the front office concentrate on drafting for defense.
1.01 (1) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
Garrett is the 1st ranked player. Don't. Over. Think. It.
1.12 (12) OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
Howard is the 6th ranked player, so getting him here is a bit of a steal. He would be a fantastic asset for Kessler, offering him a reliable target over the middle that would be a matchup problem for most defenders. To allow Howard to be available at #12 would require that a couple of QB's and surprise selections to go ahead of him. If he's not available, I'd possibly over-reach and select Gareon Conley (ranked 36th) - who I think is going to develop into a great NFL press corner.
IF HE FALLS: Malik Hooker, FS, OSU (7th ranked player)
2.01 (33) Kevin King, CB, Washington
King is the 33rd ranked player, so this is no stretch. I like this pick here, primarily because of his versatility. He's big (6'3") with long arms and has played as a starter at both safety and corner at Washington. If Conley was selected with pick 1.12 I'd still go King here and turn him loose as a FS.
IF HE FALLS: Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vanderbilt (25th ranked player) - one of my favorites
2.20 (52) Josh Jones, SS, North Carolina State
Jones is the 61st ranked player. He's 6'1" 220lbs and ran a 4.41 forty at the combine.
IF HE FALLS: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (40th ranked player)
3.01 (65) Marcus Williams, FS, Utah
Williams is the 77th ranked player. Playmaker. With Josh Jones could team up to make a very formidable back line.
IF HE FALLS: Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC (48th ranked player)
4.01 (108) Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
Watkins is the 108th ranked player. Strong at the point of attack, can be a good contributor helping to hold rushing attacks in-check (a big fatal flaw of the Browns).
IF HE FALLS: Montravious Adams, DT, Auburn (81st ranked player)
5.01 (145) Ryan Switzer, WR, UNC
Switzer is the 159th ranked player. Quick in his cuts, good hands, good potential as a slot receiver. Think Julian Edelman "light".
IF HE FALLS: Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech (114th ranked player)
5.31 (175) Zane Gonzales, K, Arizona State
Gonzales is the 197th ranked player. Top-rated kicker. Holder of six FBS records (most all-time). He kicks bombs. Get him.
IF HE FALLS: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (153rd ranked player)
5.37 (181) Jadar Johnson, SS, Clemson
Johnson is the 187th ranked player
6.01 (185) Marquez White, CB, FSU
White is the 189th ranked player
6.04 (188) Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State
Lee is the 190th ranked player
Rankings vs. Mocks... always an interesting comparison.
... Drafting the BPA strategy... according to CBS.com's 2017 NFL Draft Prospects Ranker:
1.01 (1) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M; 1.12 (12) Mitch Trubisky, QB, UNC
2.01 (33) Kevin King, CB, Washington; 2.20 (52) Chris Goodwin, WR, PSU
3.01 (65) Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan;
4.01 (108) Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
5.01 (145) Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF; 5.31 (175) Damonte Kazee, CB San Diego State; 5.37 (181) Sam Tevi, OT, Utah
6.01 (185) Jon Toth, C, Kentucky; 6.04 (188) Hunter Dimick, DE, Utah
Here's my re-draft:
1.01 (1) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M; 1.12 (12) OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
2.01 (33) Kevin King, CB, Washington; 2.20 (52) Josh Jones, SS, North Carolina State3.01 (65) Marcus Williams, FS, Utah
4.01 (108) Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
5.01 (145) Ryan Switzer, WR, UNC;5.31 (175) Zane Gonzales, K, Arizona State;5.37 (181) Jadar Johnson, SS, Clemson
6.01 (185) Marquez White, CB, FSU; 6.04 (188) Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State
While CBS's ranking states it is "powered by NFLDraftScout", it's ordering is not identical. Here are its results with identical picks in bold...
1.01 Myles; 1.12 Mitch
2.01 (33) Kevin King (CB) WSH; 2.20 (52) Fabian Moreau (CB) UCLA
3.01 (65) Cooper Kupp (WR) Eastern WSH
4.01 (108) David Sharpe (OT) Florida
5.01 (145) Jamaal Williams (RB) BYU; 5.31 (175) Damontae Kazee (CB) San Diego St.; 5.37 (181) Sam Tevi (OT) Utah
6.01 (185) Jon Toth, C, Kentucky; 6.04 (188) Hunter Dimick (DE) Utah
Bottom line... pure BPA drafts are impossible to construct because no ranking/grading is fine enough to order 253 prospects, let alone 750. Can't even order the top 32 and the guess work increases with every round. So teams cluster them because they can't tell them apart. Then they let need, positional importance and number of viable alternatives in later clusters dictate the pick.
Basically what you seemed to do in your tweak...
Doesn't mean it's not fun to see how rankings would dictate our draft. Here's the NFL.com result...
1.01 Myles; 1.12 Taco Charlton (DE) Michigan
2.01 (33) Charles Harris (DE) Missou; 2.20 (52) Adam Shaheen (TE) Ashland
3.01 (65) Quincy Wilson (CB) Florida
4.01 (108) Roderick Johnson (OT) FSU
5.01 (145) David Sharpe (OT) Florida; 5.31 (175) Keion Adams (OLB) Western Michigan; 5.37 (181) Eddie Jackson (SS) BAMA
6.01 (185) Brian Cox, Jr. (DE) Florida; 6.04 (188) Robert Davis (WR) Georgia St.
Going to stop the "pure BPA" exercises now... before "our drafts" get any worse. However, it is worth noting that the NFL.com "grading" clearly orders prospects using a grade that includes more than the two-significant places "grade" they post. It's unknowable whether they round off to the two places or truncate, although I suspect the latter, but if we simply take the two-digit ties as prospect clusters it would be interesting to see our various drafts.
The picks aren't numbered, but there are 25 per page.
Here's mine:
1.01 Myles... He stands alone at the top of the class with a 7.6... 0.8 clear of the field.
1.12 Here we have three 6.3's to chose from including Taco (DE) and David Njoku (TE). My pick: Hasaan Reddick (OLB) Temple
2.01 (33) Eight 6.0's to choose from: Robinson (OT), Mixon (RB), Bolles (OT), Tim Williams (OLB), Engram (TE), Kamara (RB), White (CB) and Harris (DE). What a revolting development... even with the expected expanding cluster size as we fall, I really don't like any of the options let alone love one.
My (reluctant) pick: Tre'Davious White (CB) LSU
2.20 (52) Cluster size jumps to 22 with a grade of 5.8. There are a bunch of loves in here including both my Safeties and my fav OL. I have to take one of the former... Pick: Marcus Williams (FS) Utah
3.01 (65) Into the 5.7's here... 23 of them. Two prospects jump out at me: Obi (SS) and Butt (TE). My pick: Jake Butt (TE) Michigan
4.01 (108) Here we have 32, 5.5's in the mix. I like a few. My Pick: Anthony Walker, Jr. (ILB) Northwestern... my thumper.
Next come the 5.5's... 54 of them... enough to cover all the remaining picks. Slim pickins overall, but more than enough likes to complete my draft.
5.01 (145) Chad Kelly (QB) Ole Miss.
5.31 (175) Eddie Jackson (SS) BAMA helped me take Butt in round 3.
5.37 (181) Howard Wilson (CB) UH
6.01 (185) Ryan Glasgow (DT) Michigan
6.04 (188) Shaquill Griffin (CB) UCF
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The south was gray during the civil war.
Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
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You can't be a BPA draft and take Trubisky at 12
True, because he likely will be gone by then.
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The south was gray during the civil war.
Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
Don't forget about another of our Home Boys. (my grade school was named after him):
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Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
Don't forget about another of our Home Boys. (my grade school was named after him):
Don't forget about another of our Home Boys. (my grade school was named after hi
We don't discuss the Raper of Atlanta and his March to the Sea down here.
^_^ We just erase that.
PS-I have $212 in Confederate Bills mounted and framed hanging in my little library originally given to me by my thievin' Yankee in laws. As we say down here, "Hang on to your confederate money boys, the south shall rise again."
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Don't forget about another of our Home Boys. (my grade school was named after hi
We don't discuss the Raper of Atlanta and his March to the Sea down here.
^_^ We just erase that.
PS-I have $212 in Confederate Bills mounted and framed hanging in my little library originally given to me by my thievin' Yankee in laws. As we say down here, "Hang on to your confederate money boys, the south shall rise again."
:lol: :lol:We don't discuss the Raper of Atlanta and his March to the Sea down here.
^_^ We just erase that.
Y'all started a war. He just finished it.
PS-I have $212 in Confederate Bills mounted and framed hanging in my little library originally given to me by my thievin' Yankee in laws. As we say down here, "Hang on to your confederate money boys, the south shall rise again."
:lol: :lol:Its a place called "The United States of America".
The south didn't "rise again" until natural gas prices for winter heating drove a lot of people south. It was the northerners who went south that caused it to "rise". That and air conditioning.
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If the south rises, it will be for the first time.
If the south rises, it will be for the first time.
ESS EEE SEE
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Yep -Gip even my old ex girlfriend from Toledo lives in Dallas now. Just another carpetbagger.
Of course I got captured by a Rhode Islander over 47 years ago. She lets me play here from my cell.
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The south was gray during the civil war.
Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
Hey... you started it.
When I make the I-20 trek to bounce grandkids on my knee, Vicksburg is a must-stop, welcome center. Beautiful view of the Mississippi from the heart of the Confederate gun placement area that controlled the River.
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Yep -Gip even my old ex girlfriend from Toledo lives in Dallas now. Just another carpetbagger.
Of course I got captured by a Rhode Islander over 47 years ago. She lets me play here from my cell.
Yep -Gip even my old ex girlfriend from Toledo lives in Dallas now. Just another carpetbagger.
Of course I got captured by a Rhode Islander over 47 years ago. She lets me play here from my cell.
Do you consider Dallas "the south"? I guess, maybe, since it is in Texas...which was a "Confederate" state. Though it is not "south" like Houston and San Antone.
(fyi, I think I told you...my brother used to live in Kerrville....before JMZ was even born, and my daughter lives in SA)
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Are you speaking of the Great Yankee Invasion of 1861-65?
I'll have to "Grant" you one thing. His landing the union army on the east side of the Mississippi south of and surrounding/starving out Vicksburg to choke off supply lines from west of the Mississippi was one of the greatest military feats in history. Not bad for an Ohio boy.
Hey... you started it.
When I make the I-20 trek to bounce grandkids on my knee, Vicksburg is a must-stop, welcome center. Beautiful view of the Mississippi from the heart of the Confederate gun placement area that controlled the River.
Hey... you started it.
When I make the I-20 trek to bounce grandkids on my knee, Vicksburg is a must-stop, welcome center. Beautiful view of the Mississippi from the heart of the Confederate gun placement area that controlled the River.
I remember going to a casino on a Riverboat there. I believe it was on the Yazoo River? (and, of course I toured the battlefield. See my thread in the Barbershop on National Park units)
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I've been there and I have been to Shiloh where my great, great uncle was shot thru both legs as a member of the 8th Texas Rangers Cav unit and left for dead. He was taken to the first ever MASH unit on the battlefield and his life was saved by Union surgeons without removing legs since the bullet did not hit bone. He was eventually exchanged at Vicksburg and made his way back to Austin. Interesting stuff huh?
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Yep -Gip even my old ex girlfriend from Toledo lives in Dallas now. Just another carpetbagger.
Of course I got captured by a Rhode Islander over 47 years ago. She lets me play here from my cell.
Do you consider Dallas "the south"? I guess, maybe, since it is in Texas...which was a "Confederate" state. Though it is not "south" like Houston and San Antone.
(fyi, I think I told you...my brother used to live in Kerrville....before JMZ was even born, and my daughter lives in SA)
Do you consider Dallas "the south"? I guess, maybe, since it is in Texas...which was a "Confederate" state. Though it is not "south" like Houston and San Antone.
(fyi, I think I told you...my brother used to live in Kerrville....before JMZ was even born, and my daughter lives in SA)
Dallas is absolutely the south. The crown jewel of it in fact.
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