Flugel's Mock Draft on Tennessee Stupid Juice
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No tight end at #12, it's not a position that makes an immediate impact and that's what first rounders should be
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Good post Flugel, I like it!
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No tight end at #12, it's not a position that makes an immediate impact and that's what first rounders should be
No tight end at #12, it's not a position that makes an immediate impact and that's what first rounders should be
I don't know. Seems that he would give serious life to the Browns' offense from the first exhibition game.
I'm looking for Hollywood HIggins to rock. Add Ju Ju or Zay Jones, with Howard, or Engram...
and the Browns would give any qb the opportunity to make great things happen.
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I am really liking the Dobbs pick more and more. Chances are, he won't be there at all in the fifth. Maybe ...
in the top of the fourth.
Josh Dobbs on learning NFL playbook: “My senior year I was taking astronautics, propulsion and an aerodynamics class all on the same day, at the same time as football season when I was leading an SEC team. I think I can handle it.” (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com)
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Thanks for all the feedback folks. There were a lot of good ideas and suggestions. The dream start of Myles Garrett at #1 and OJ Howard at #12 always sounded too good to be true. If I did my mock 2-3 weeks ago, I still would have had Howard at 12.
Unfortunately, I had to be realistic that a guy like Sean Payton would love to get another version of Jimmy Graham - only this one can block and set the edge like a traditional TE. He can line up virtually anywhere and be a favorable match-up with an ideal catch radius with 4.5 speed. The Saints draft at #11 in case Buffalo, NYJ, Chicago, Jax and TN decide they don't want/need this guy. Aside from that, Antonio Gates isn't getting any younger with the Chargers at #7.
Speaking of pick #12, let's hope the Browns don't choke like I did. The combined skills of JuJu and Engram (at picks 12 and 33) still can't perform as many things/roles as well as Howard. My favorite video of him was in the first national championship matchup vrs Clemson where he had over 200 yards receiving on 5 receptions (3 of those were over 50 yards) and 2 TDs. He also had a nice block outside where he shielded off the inside of the only defender that could have made the tackle springing Henry for about a 50 yard TD. Here's a link of film of that matchup I've shared a couple times that people might not have seen yet. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/o-j-howard-vs-clemson-2015/
The Saints draft at #11 in case Buffalo, NYJ, Chicago, Jax and TN decide they don't want/need this guy. Aside from that, Antonio Gates isn't getting any younger with the Chargers at #7.
Good stuff Flug..Teams that show a need at TE ahead of our 12..Bears,Jags,Jets,Saints..Greg Olsen in Carolina is now 32. Cinn. Eifert may never be the same. When Howard comes off board.Somebody may take a little reach on Jake Butt late 2nd,(my hope 3.1) to sit behind a vet TE a season. I hope it's Barney not Olsen. Butt could school Barney on how to block 🥷.I like Dobbs but at times he tries to over aim the ball in..He's fixable,with a good release, with no wide up..
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I am really liking the Dobbs pick more and more. Chances are, he won't be there at all in the fifth. Maybe ...
in the top of the fourth.
Josh Dobbs on learning NFL playbook: “My senior year I was taking astronautics, propulsion and an aerodynamics class all on the same day, at the same time as football season when I was leading an SEC team. I think I can handle it.” (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com)
I am really liking the Dobbs pick more and more. Chances are, he won't be there at all in the fifth. Maybe ...
in the top of the fourth.
Josh Dobbs on learning NFL playbook: “My senior year I was taking astronautics, propulsion and an aerodynamics class all on the same day, at the same time as football season when I was leading an SEC team. I think I can handle it.” (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com)
Just remember it was the one-legged man who pressured him into the game ending interception in OT. He will have plenty of those same opportunities with the Browns. Not a take even if he is Sushi smart.
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I don't want Ju-Ju at #12, and I don't want a DT in the 2nd round. That's two entire rounds, of two picks each, with no secondary help. I realize that is addressed with the next two selections, but I think the secondary talent is extremely deep in the first two rounds, and I want in on it. Don't want to wait until the 3rd round to start filling the deepest hole on our team.
I'm with you though, and I would LOVE OJ Howard at #12, so hopefully he's still there. After seeing what Hue Jackson did with Tyler Eiffert, I seriously believe Howard is in play for us. If he is gone, and we DO want an offensive playmaker at 12 (besides QB), I'd feel better about Corey Davis or Mike Williams. Heck, I'd probably prefer Dalvin Cook or Fournette over Ju-Ju. To be fair, I don't know as much about the USC receiver, so it's possible I can change my mind as I review him as a prospect.
In the first round, I'm not opposed to going defense-defense. I understand that we're light on offensive playmakers, but if Malik Hooker is on the board, I want him. I honestly don't think he WILL be around, and he'll be gone WAY before 12, but that's my dream anyway. I'd also like to have Reuben Foster, even though our linebackers aren't a weak link. Heck, I'd even like us to go cornerback at 12 if there's a guy available we rate highly. Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker are probably long gone, we know this, but what if the top rated cornerback is on the board? Can you imagine coming out of the first round with the top rated pass rusher AND top rated corner? That's a helluva first day haul, and also happens to fill two GIANT needs.
Now, if our top corner and the two stud safeties are off the board (a very real possibility), then maybe we DO look at offense. If Howard is gone too, which I think he will be, then I'd prefer to go top WR on our board. I know I've read we're very high on Corey Davis. Our front office places a lot of stock in college production, and literally nobody on earth can point to more of that than Corey Davis. Mike Williams certainly isn't a slouch either, and while I haven't seen Ju-Ju's numbers, I can probably bet his numbers are impressive as well. I really DON'T want to go RB at #12, but I guess I'd be cool with it if the Browns truly believe a special talent is there. We all know I'm an FSU boy, so drafting Dalvin Cook would send me into the stratosphere.
We have a ton of options, and we're getting close to the actual day. We need to come away with IMPACT PLAYERS on day 1, and probably two more starters on day 2 (unless one is a QB, and then he'll probably wait a year). It's time to build our team.
EDIT: I read from several sources that Ju-Ju Schuster compares to Anquan Boldin. Since he's one of my favorite FSU players of all time, I am now sold on Ju-Ju as the #12 pick. Hahahaha. I have a funny story about Anquan, which I'm sure nobody wants to read on this long, and thoughtless post. Long story short, Anquan and I almost got into a fist-fight during a pickup basketball game. I almost died that day.
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Here is a thought:
Read up on Chris Godwin, wr. There are teams who are looking at him in a later? round.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/3/8/14854112/2017-nfl-draft-scouting-report-chris-godwin-wr
and...
Tyus Bowser, DE/OLB (WITH A NAME LIKE "BOWSER", WHO BETTER TO ROUSE THE DAWG POUND?)
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/137093/tyus-bowser
from MSN.COM:
USA TODAY Troy Taormina-USA TODAY SportsTyus Bowser, Houston
The modern outside linebacker in the NFL needs to be able to do it all: rush the passer, set the edge against the run, and drop into coverage. Bowser checks every box, with the well-rounded skill set to excel in any scheme and do anything asked of him at the next level. He's barely scratching the surface of his potential, and his upside could entice a team to grab him late in the first round."
AND...
the secret quarterback that flies way under the radar:
Kyle Sloter, Northern Colorado
There are several teams eyeing these three sleepers bigtime.
We should draft each one right before any other AFC North teams do.
Late rounds matter.
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1. garrett
8. trubisky (via trade)
i mean really he's rated the best QB prospect and he's from the cleve area and wants to play for the browns...........and it's about time we used some of these stupid late round picks to get a blue chipper.
it's a friggin no brainer.
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No tight end at #12, it's not a position that makes an immediate impact and that's what first rounders should be
No tight end at #12, it's not a position that makes an immediate impact and that's what first rounders should be
Going to take issue with that... same reasons I argue against elevating players on a draft board.
When I form that first prospect cluster under Garrett's cluster of one, I have no choice but to put OJH there. Such is his athleticism on tape. If you disagree about him belonging there based upon your take on his talent, then that's one thing, but an impact argument is entirely different. It's a fine criteria to move him either towards, or to, the bottom of that cluster... which is basically where he is on my board... but not out of it... IMO.
As for TE "impact"... we've had glimpses of really good TE play recently from Jordan "How could we let him go to Miami" Cameron thru Jim "Hey Look, I can block, too" Dray to Gary "Can't block, but I had a good year catching once" Barnidge. We loved them all. We felt their impact for one good year. Imagine feeling that way about one TE for a decade. Imagine feeling about a TE as we once did Ozzie.
I can... and his name is OJH.
With the exception of Long Snapper I think I can make a pretty good case for any other position's impact potential... if the player is good enough.
Read up on Chris Godwin, wr. There are teams who are looking at him in a later? round. http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/3/8/14854112/2017-nfl-draft-scouting-report-chris-godwin-wr
Liked Godwin's tape then his Combine numbers far exceeded my and, best I can tell, anyone's expectations. The kid was shaping up to be a Round 3 steal. Now it appears he's a Round 2 value.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I am really liking the Dobbs pick more and more. Chances are, he won't be there at all in the fifth. Maybe ...
in the top of the fourth.
Josh Dobbs on learning NFL playbook: “My senior year I was taking astronautics, propulsion and an aerodynamics class all on the same day, at the same time as football season when I was leading an SEC team. I think I can handle it.” (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com)
Just remember it was the one-legged man who pressured him into the game ending interception in OT. He will have plenty of those same opportunities with the Browns. Not a take even if he is Sushi smart.
Just remember it was the one-legged man who pressured him into the game ending interception in OT. He will have plenty of those same opportunities with the Browns. Not a take even if he is Sushi smart.
Dobbs definitely had some ball protection issues in that game, but let's not forget they shouldn't have even gotten to OT. UT couldn't protect him and his receivers couldn't catch a damn thing. I don't have the exact numbers but it felt like the receiving corps had more drops than completions.
I'm all good with Dobbs because it means they'll be taking a project in the mid rounds instead of a day one project. I've said it before but why someone would spend a 1st on Watson instead of a 3rd-4th on Dobbs is beyond me.
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Here is a thought:
Read up on Chris Godwin, wr. There are teams who are looking at him in a later? round.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/3/8/14854112/2017-nfl-draft-scouting-report-chris-godwin-wr
and...
Tyus Bowser, DE/OLB (WITH A NAME LIKE "BOWSER", WHO BETTER TO ROUSE THE DAWG POUND?)
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/137093/tyus-bowser
from MSN.COM:
USA TODAY Troy Taormina-USA TODAY SportsTyus Bowser, Houston
The modern outside linebacker in the NFL needs to be able to do it all: rush the passer, set the edge against the run, and drop into coverage. Bowser checks every box, with the well-rounded skill set to excel in any scheme and do anything asked of him at the next level. He's barely scratching the surface of his potential, and his upside could entice a team to grab him late in the first round."
AND...
the secret quarterback that flies way under the radar:
Kyle Sloter, Northern Colorado
There are several teams eyeing these three sleepers bigtime.
We should draft each one right before any other AFC North teams do.
Late rounds matter.
Here is a thought:
Read up on Chris Godwin, wr. There are teams who are looking at him in a later? round.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/3/8/14854112/2017-nfl-draft-scouting-report-chris-godwin-wr
and...
Tyus Bowser, DE/OLB (WITH A NAME LIKE "BOWSER", WHO BETTER TO ROUSE THE DAWG POUND?)
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/137093/tyus-bowser
from MSN.COM:
USA TODAY Troy Taormina-USA TODAY SportsTyus Bowser, Houston
The modern outside linebacker in the NFL needs to be able to do it all: rush the passer, set the edge against the run, and drop into coverage. Bowser checks every box, with the well-rounded skill set to excel in any scheme and do anything asked of him at the next level. He's barely scratching the surface of his potential, and his upside could entice a team to grab him late in the first round."
AND...
the secret quarterback that flies way under the radar:
Kyle Sloter, Northern Colorado
There are several teams eyeing these three sleepers bigtime.
We should draft each one right before any other AFC North teams do.
Late rounds matter.
After watching Kyle's highlight film, have to say he looks as good as any of the QB's in this draft, 6'4 218# has the size, quick release and takes the hit after the throw. If I can't get Tribs in the 1st. I'd be ok taking a flyer on this kid.....
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Maybe Kyle is such a big sleeper because it appears that the only people who saw those northern Colorado games were either playing or coaching.
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Just remember it was the one-legged man who pressured him into the game ending interception in OT. He will have plenty of those same opportunities with the Browns. Not a take even if he is Sushi smart.
Dobbs definitely had some ball protection issues in that game, but let's not forget they shouldn't have even gotten to OT. UT couldn't protect him and his receivers couldn't catch a damn thing. I don't have the exact numbers but it felt like the receiving corps had more drops than completions.
I'm all good with Dobbs because it means they'll be taking a project in the mid rounds instead of a day one project. I've said it before but why someone would spend a 1st on Watson instead of a 3rd-4th on Dobbs is beyond me.
Dobbs definitely had some ball protection issues in that game, but let's not forget they shouldn't have even gotten to OT. UT couldn't protect him and his receivers couldn't catch a damn thing. I don't have the exact numbers but it felt like the receiving corps had more drops than completions.
I'm all good with Dobbs because it means they'll be taking a project in the mid rounds instead of a day one project. I've said it before but why someone would spend a 1st on Watson instead of a 3rd-4th on Dobbs is beyond me.
Shouldn't have gotten to OT because the Ags were up by 20 maybe.
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Just remember it was the one-legged man who pressured him into the game ending interception in OT. He will have plenty of those same opportunities with the Browns. Not a take even if he is Sushi smart.
Dobbs definitely had some ball protection issues in that game, but let's not forget they shouldn't have even gotten to OT. UT couldn't protect him and his receivers couldn't catch a damn thing. I don't have the exact numbers but it felt like the receiving corps had more drops than completions.
I'm all good with Dobbs because it means they'll be taking a project in the mid rounds instead of a day one project. I've said it before but why someone would spend a 1st on Watson instead of a 3rd-4th on Dobbs is beyond me.
... why someone would spend a 1st on Watson instead of a 3rd-4th on Dobbs is beyond me.
One round per eyebrow?
After watching Kyle's highlight film...
Maybe it's called a "highlight film" for a reason???
No game tape on him at DraftBreakdown... and google only turns up highlights as well.
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... why someone would spend a 1st on Watson instead of a 3rd-4th on Dobbs is beyond me.
One round per eyebrow?
After watching Kyle's highlight film...
Maybe it's called a "highlight film" for a reason???
No game tape on him at DraftBreakdown... and google only turns up highlights as well.
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I don't want Ju-Ju at #12, and I don't want a DT in the 2nd round. That's two entire rounds, of two picks each, with no secondary help. I realize that is addressed with the next two selections, but I think the secondary talent is extremely deep in the first two rounds, and I want in on it. Don't want to wait until the 3rd round to start filling the deepest hole on our team.
I'm with you though, and I would LOVE OJ Howard at #12, so hopefully he's still there. After seeing what Hue Jackson did with Tyler Eiffert, I seriously believe Howard is in play for us. If he is gone, and we DO want an offensive playmaker at 12 (besides QB), I'd feel better about Corey Davis or Mike Williams. Heck, I'd probably prefer Dalvin Cook or Fournette over Ju-Ju. To be fair, I don't know as much about the USC receiver, so it's possible I can change my mind as I review him as a prospect.
In the first round, I'm not opposed to going defense-defense. I understand that we're light on offensive playmakers, but if Malik Hooker is on the board, I want him. I honestly don't think he WILL be around, and he'll be gone WAY before 12, but that's my dream anyway. I'd also like to have Reuben Foster, even though our linebackers aren't a weak link. Heck, I'd even like us to go cornerback at 12 if there's a guy available we rate highly. Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker are probably long gone, we know this, but what if the top rated cornerback is on the board? Can you imagine coming out of the first round with the top rated pass rusher AND top rated corner? That's a helluva first day haul, and also happens to fill two GIANT needs.
Now, if our top corner and the two stud safeties are off the board (a very real possibility), then maybe we DO look at offense. If Howard is gone too, which I think he will be, then I'd prefer to go top WR on our board. I know I've read we're very high on Corey Davis. Our front office places a lot of stock in college production, and literally nobody on earth can point to more of that than Corey Davis. Mike Williams certainly isn't a slouch either, and while I haven't seen Ju-Ju's numbers, I can probably bet his numbers are impressive as well. I really DON'T want to go RB at #12, but I guess I'd be cool with it if the Browns truly believe a special talent is there. We all know I'm an FSU boy, so drafting Dalvin Cook would send me into the stratosphere.
We have a ton of options, and we're getting close to the actual day. We need to come away with IMPACT PLAYERS on day 1, and probably two more starters on day 2 (unless one is a QB, and then he'll probably wait a year). It's time to build our team.
EDIT: I read from several sources that Ju-Ju Schuster compares to Anquan Boldin. Since he's one of my favorite FSU players of all time, I am now sold on Ju-Ju as the #12 pick. Hahahaha. I have a funny story about Anquan, which I'm sure nobody wants to read on this long, and thoughtless post. Long story short, Anquan and I almost got into a fist-fight during a pickup basketball game. I almost died that day.
I don't want Ju-Ju at #12, and I don't want a DT in the 2nd round. That's two entire rounds, of two picks each, with no secondary help. I realize that is addressed with the next two selections, but I think the secondary talent is extremely deep in the first two rounds, and I want in on it. Don't want to wait until the 3rd round to start filling the deepest hole on our team.
I'm with you though, and I would LOVE OJ Howard at #12, so hopefully he's still there.
EDIT: I read from several sources that Ju-Ju Schuster compares to Anquan Boldin. Since he's one of my favorite FSU players of all time, I am now sold on Ju-Ju as the #12 pick. Hahahaha.
I appreciate your feedback before you knew anything about Smith-Schuster and after you looked him up. Which should I weigh heavier? Again, while I want OJ Howard at #12 - I had to be realistic about whether he'll still be available at #12 (same holds true for studs like Hooker and Adams). A lot of the popular faves will be gone so....
I still should have made a better choice than I did. My thought process at the time was Smith-Schuster had his best year in 2015 when Kessler was his QB catching 89 passes for 1454 yards and 10 TDs. If Kessler will be starting some games this year - why not re-acquaint him with his go-to guy from 2015? Pro Football Weekly's Draft Guide 2017 actually has Smith-Schuster rated as their #1 WR (ahead of Mike Williams at #2 and Corey Davis at #3) even if this swims against popular opinion.
Believe it or not, I know our secondary needs help so we're drafting Myles Garrett at #1 overall to stop giving passers all day to throw. You don't think that will help? IMO, we've never been able to evaluate our secondary with a decent pass rush. Again, if Hooker and Adams are as good as we all think they are - they should be long gone by #12 too. It's important to understand this when you're doing a mock draft right? It's also important to understand this draft is deep at DB. There's always good DBs in mid-late rounds as well as UFA. Richard Sherman rd 5, Chris Harris UFA, Cam Chancellor rd 6. All 3 of those guys have done their best work with a terrific pass rush upfront right?
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