Crowell gets second round tender

LogicIsForSquares

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/19/joe-mixon-high-school-assault-allegation

Joe Mixon allegedly has another assault on a female dating back to highschool. Came up during the most recent civil trial.

LogicIsForSquares

So I don't think Mixon will be coming in to replace Crowell.

Tour2ma

Just say, no... to Joe...

Sign it, Crow... let's see what you can do behind a good OL.

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:
You want the Browns to sign Kaepernick? I am not necessarily totally against that if they don't do something serious at the QB position in this draft.

Lol

Actually they be a good package deal for the Raiders or Isis or somebody.

WSS

Westside Steve

PS I'd rather sign Johnny than Kaepernick.

WSS

TexasAg1969

@westside-steve said:

PS I'd rather sign Johnny than Kaepernick.

WSS

LOL! The new and improved "dry" version?

EDIT: http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/25066/from-johnny-manziel-to-felix-jones-dolphins-must-beware-of-22nd-pick

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

PS I'd rather sign Johnny than Kaepernick.

WSS

The difference is that Kaepernick has proven that he can play a bit. JFF has not.

But, I say: Go for it. If the Browns don't get the QB they want (and, yes, we really don't know what they really want. Many say it is MT...Ghoolie thinks it is "Black Tarkenton" i.e. Watson, others have mocked other QBs to the Browns), then do a similar deal to what they did with RGIII. Sign him to a minimal deal. It costs them nothing but money, which the Browns have plenty of, and you see how he fits into Hue Jackson's system.

Only one condition: I don't care if he wants to protest for or against some kind of civil rights...I would just disallow him to wear those cop/pig socks or anything of the sort. No disparaging police...who he would need to protect him if he went off in some stupid direction with his rhetoric.

Tour2ma

Wet.. dry... whatever... no interest here... in either...

But gun to my head?

hoorta

@gumby73 said:
Tick Tock..Crow as a RFA has till this Friday to sign his 2.7M Offer Sheet. Atkinson re-signed days ago.D. Jackson & Duke are under a contract. Let the Games begin Friday? But...If Crow does not sign, he can't play anywhere? So Crow doesn't accrue another season & Browns can tender him again next year..PEN PLEASE!! Draft RB visits continue..BTW---^^(nice a$$ lady..from the late Jackie Gleason)..Gip, get your top pen pushers on this Crow.but.If offered a 2nd rounder? Is it this Draft or 2018 draft?

The second round tender consequences are a little vague- BUT. The way I take it is he doesn't sign the tender, he can (and should already have been) negotiating with other teams. They can offer him a better deal than the Browns $2 million or so. But if he signs elsewhere, the Browns will get a second round pick from that team. Obviously to date no other team thinks he's worth a second rounder with better RB talent likely available in the upcoming draft. He'll probably be back on the Browns for a one year prove it deal @ the $2.7 million tender. Boo-hoo, most of us peons would take that amount of cash for a year, and promptly retire.

Westside Steve

@texasag1969 said:

LOL! The new and improved "dry" version?

EDIT: http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/25066/from-johnny-manziel-to-felix-jones-dolphins-must-beware-of-22nd-pick

Here's the thing. If these guys convinced me with a Mia culpa that they felt bad for their past actions I'm good with either of them. It wasn't Kaepernick's attitude that made him suck, he just had, as Bill says, diminishing skills. And besides the grand standing on the sidelines he was a team cancer before that.

Johnny had, or has, mental problems. If he sincerely beat those and puts in the effort to get better I think he has a much higher ceiling. I know guys who have beaten the alcoholism problem. Don't you?

I would worry about Johnny because he's very bright and articulate and could probably convince somebody that he was sincere about riding the water wagon.

WSS

Tour2ma

Grand standing?

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

Getting rid of Crowell (sp) makes good Browns sense.

We are rebuilding....building,.....or building for the future

We have few good players...........

Crowell is a good player

We have plenty of cash

Do whatever possible to fuck up this guy playing for the Browns.

FUCK YEAH MAN................this team really got's some shit together.

Fucking Morons.

What would you do if by chance the Browns made the playoffs next year. This is just a hypothetical. I am not expecting it by any means, but..in the past the 1999 Rams went from 4-12 to Super Bowl Champions, and in 2001 the Pats went from 5-11 to Super Bowl Champs. I am not even asking you about that hypothetical.

Just what would you do if they went 9-7 and squeaked into the playoffs.

Would you:

A. Give all Glory to a God that works miracles

B. Commit sepeku because your honor has been stained

C. Hide in a cave for a year.

D. Still frak off and become a Raider fan.

E. Cry like a little girl out of joy.

Yea, I know, you will say you don't have to worry because it will never happen. I fucking get that, so don't go there.

Just, a big "What if". What would you do?

LondonBrown

Crowell dead last in yards after contact, he's not irreplaceable

The Gipper

@londonbrown said:
Crowell dead last in yards after contact, he's not irreplaceable

Based on my observation, I find this statistic hard to believe. He seemed like an incredibly tough runner.

The Gipper

We don't have to put up with peccadilloes from players.

Nice word. Is that a similar genus and species as armadillos?

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

We don't have to put up with peccadilloes from players.

Nice word. Is that a similar genus and species as armadillos?

It's a crossbreed of a peccary and an armadillo. Only found at the border of West Texas and East Texas I think.

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

It's a crossbreed of a peccary and an armadillo. Only found at the border of West Texas and East Texas I think.

I would have thought they would be found in Memphis as well.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:
That would be pecadildoes. Those are prominent in Cleveland, and on this board.

Yes, I see you!

hoorta

@ghoolie said:

Unlike most of us "peons" Crowell has no guarantee of a sustainable career. He is young once. He has a healthy body once. His asking price is not unreasonable. How many fucking players do you jackoffs want to lose?

Now, I can see if the fucking team was in a money crunch, but ah, that isn't exactly the case, is it?

The guy is one of the best players on the team. the money is a pittance against the cap. Why do the Browns constantly fuck around with talent, put a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and then wonder why nobody wants to fucking play in Cleveland?

Pay the guy for fuck's sake.

& How would you know what he (meaning his agent) are asking? Every team in the NFL has had the same opportunity to shell out that $2.7 million, and declined because they've decided that he's not worth it and a second round draft pick. You can get someone in the second round next week (or lower) who will probably be at least as good, or better- and a whole lot cheaper. A guy like Adrian Peterson in his prime would already have been snapped up. Speaking of AP, he's still looking for work. It's a cruel business, and the Browns are offering market value.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

I would do as I always do, I would come in here every time they won and take my medicine. I want you to pay close attention buddy, it isn't ME, who doesn't show up. Every time the flock of fucktards here has to watch my predictions unfold, as they generally do, it is the vox pop who doesn't show up, and then when they do, fabricate some horseshit explanation about why I was right but not for the correct reasons.

Historically, you should know by now, I am no coward nor am I afraid to eat crow. I dish it, I take it. It doesn't fucking matter to me. Have I been wrong? Not often, really, not often. I am a cocky fucker, I get it, but I am pretty much dead on.

The drafting of Trubisky, and then the big dude from Clemson, Williams, is it? THAT woudl give the Browns a 5 win season and a foundation to build. But Garrett and Black Tarkenton? Totaly horseshit picks. That will bring us 0 - 1 - 19.

Logic tells you this team is in trouble. Garrett would be a guaranteed losing season. And edge rusher is just not that critical for a 1 - 19 team. THe Browns won't beat a division rival again. so you have 6 guaranteed loses right out of the gun. You have 6 teams who have a decided edge over the browns and 6 more losses are likely there. In 2017, the Browns wins will come from a pool of 4 games. Now, if they grow to be a .500 team by those games, the they will go 2- 2. This makes them a 2 - 14 regular season record. If they get an " on any give Sunday win? Okay, they could have a lombardi 3 - 13 type blast.

The 2016 draft was a bust. You know it was. The team made the same mistakes and showed no sign of improvement all year long. Hue.s decisions and clock management was likely shit all year long. You think an off season will correct that? Hue left no foundation Gip. Everything in 2017 is being built on ashes.

If they get breaks, they could go 3 - 13. Either way, Hue is gone.

Well, much of what you say may be right. You know I have been on the Trubisky train.

Taking both he and Mike William IS intriguing.

I agree that just one defensive player will not make all that much difference.....but 4-5 could, and this team needs 4-5 defensive player.

Also....I think you overestimate the rest of the team's in this division. While perhaps they may be somewhat better than the Browns, I don't think any of them are all that good. The Steelers do have three good players on offense that DO make a difference.

Hence the intrigue in the Trubisky/Williams suggestion.

Ravens? losing it.

Bengals may actually end up worse than the Browns, believe it or not.