Trubisky
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The team wanting to trade up for Tribusky is Buffalo and they are ahead of us at #10. The billionaire owner didn't go and visit him just for a day out, the 49ers would love to trade down, I expect that to happen.
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What a steal for Miami that was, jiggins. That'd be awesome
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Interesting question for Trubs' campers... especially those who find Kess' arm strength to be "wanting".
Kess' pass velocity at the 2016 Combine was 55 mph.
Trubs' pass velocity at the 2017? 55 mph...
No concerns?
Interesting question for Trubs' campers... especially those who find Kess' arm strength to be "wanting".
Kess' pass velocity at the 2016 Combine was 55 mph.
Trubs' pass velocity at the 2017? 55 mph...
No concerns?
Interesting because when you watch them throw, MTs passes zing out there, where Kessler's kind of just seem like lobs.
Are we just being deceived by Kessler's passes? 55 mph is actually a very good speed. Watson's 49 mph is considered disconcerting.
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What a steal for Miami that was, jiggins. That'd be awesome
Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
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Interesting question for Trubs' campers... especially those who find Kess' arm strength to be "wanting".
Kess' pass velocity at the 2016 Combine was 55 mph.
Trubs' pass velocity at the 2017? 55 mph...
No concerns?
Interesting because when you watch them throw, MTs passes zing out there, where Kessler's kind of just seem like lobs.
Are we just being deceived by Kessler's passes? 55 mph is actually a very good speed. Watson's 49 mph is considered disconcerting.
Interesting because when you watch them throw, MTs passes zing out there, where Kessler's kind of just seem like lobs.
Are we just being deceived by Kessler's passes? 55 mph is actually a very good speed. Watson's 49 mph is considered disconcerting.
I watched some USC highlights. Kessler can get it downfield in a hurry if he has time.
That is the one thing he didn't have a whole lot of.. Time..
I am excited to see what he is capable of behind a revamped Oline(barring any injuries, of course..)
He did throw some lobbers up there, but at times he's shown he can sling it in there..
I think Cleveland needs to take Myles @ 1, OJ Howard @ 12, JuJu Smith-Schuster @ 33. Best DBs available @ 52 and 65..
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This is all true, but don't forget the Jets just drafted Hackenberg last year in the 2nd round at #51 overall. In a year with a "down QB class" and a very strong defensive class, do you guys really think the Jets would use such a high draft pick on a QB? That would mean they don't have very much faith in Hackenberg. I just don't see it happening...not at pick #6. They can get a blue chip prospect at 6, or even trade down to get more assets. They are completely rebuilding, as evidenced by letting go Nick Mangold, Brandon Marshall, and others. If they absolutely love Mitchell Trubisky, could they draft him? Sure they could, and they could also take Mahomes, Watson, or even Kizer if they liked him the most. Truth is, the Jets need talent, and while there are no such things as "sure fire studs", I think the Jets do the smart thing and take the best overall player on their board OR trade down for more assets.
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What a steal for Miami that was, jiggins. That'd be awesome
Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
True, but in trading up we want to use our guy's chart, Meers, not JJ's.
JJ's is where we start discussions when we trade down.
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What a steal for Miami that was, jiggins. That'd be awesome
Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
I said the Miami desk, which was just a second rounder to move up 10 spots.
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Just in case we forget that this is the time of year where everyone is an HOF. Check out this pre-draft analysis of the 2011 qb prospects...yeah, enough said.
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Just in case we forget that this is the time of year where everyone is an HOF. Check out this pre-draft analysis of the 2011 qb prospects...yeah, enough said.
Just in case we forget that this is the time of year where everyone is an HOF. Check out this pre-draft analysis of the 2011 qb prospects...yeah, enough said.
If you think that's bad... http://walterfootball.com/draft2013QB.php
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Lord have mercy...those lists scare the CRAP out of me. I'm guessing we could find a couple of years where we could find the opposite? Maybe? POSSIBLY?
This is where the logic of "using the #1 pick on a QB" somewhat comes into play. If we feel there is only ONE guy in this QB class that has what it takes to be "the guy", then we have to pass on Myles Garrett and take the QB. Passing on the next Von Miller might get you fired, but passing on the next franchise QB...will DEFINITELY get you fired. We're basically held hostage by one position, year after year, and we won't be a serious threat to ANYBODY until we have a QB. That being said, if our brain trust doesn't feel that there's a guy in the draft who can be the Cleveland Browns QB, we have to take Garrett and don't think twice.
The whole thing just sucks. If we have a QB ranked #1 on our board and we DON'T GET HIM, can you imagine the fallout? It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't pass on Carson Wentz, who either may or may not be a capable starter. We don't know for sure, but he did show SOME promising aspects to his game...especially for a rookie (do I need to remind you of the first game of the season? How much did THAT suck?) We don't seem to want to trade for someone like McCarron or Garopolo, and I think the most likely scenario is for the Browns to draft Myles Garrett, and then try to trade up to grab our #1 QB...whoever that is (Probably Mitchell).
Don't get me wrong, I HATE trading up to the early part of the first round. I want to draft players, not trade away picks. If we can make the deal happen that doesn't cost us the damn farm, I'm all for it. Think about it. We could get our dominant pass rushing prospect at 1, move up to take our QB, and then add some secondary help in the coming rounds with whatever pick we have left. I seriously doubt we trade BOTH our second rounders this year. The best news? Whoever we draft at QB won't have the pressure of coming in and starting right away. I very much doubt that he will be able to beat out Cody Kessler or Brock Osweiler. Is it possible? Of course it is, but I would think the odds are against it. And even if Cody gets injured again, the new guy STILL doesn't have to play because our backup took two different teams to the playoffs two years in a row (although with KILLER defenses, but whatever).
If we don't like any of the QB's enough to trade up for or simply take #1, then I'm completely fine with taking a stab at one either in the 2nd or even 3rd rounds, and going into the season with Cody and Brock. We could take Myles and best player available at 12, and still have both our second rounders as well. In fact, there's a large part of my brain that actually thinks this is the way to go. Maybe Dobbs can be the guy after some seasoning? He's smart, athletic, and has a legendary work ethic. Maybe it's time for the BROWNS to find their Dak Prescott. If we don't use draft picks to move up for a QB, we're going to have a chance to add FOUR very good players this year. It's fun to think about. If we're still terrible, well then there's always next year, and I'm guessing 2018 will supply better QB's.
Me = officially excited.
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jiggins, step away from the caffeine... You're constructing yourself into quandaries that do not need to exist.
Start with the easy part... Wentz. We don't know any more about his potential than we did a year ago. Yes, he started well against "a weak opponent" (how weak we painfully learned over the next 16 weeks), but he suffered as the book on him grew through the season. Nine of his 14 INTs came in the second half of the season. And his numbers fell against two of three division opponents the second time they saw him.
IF we have a QB #1 on our board, then we take him at #1, unless we know we can maneuver to get him later either by trading the #1 or tabbing MG and getting the QB later... maybe as late as 12... maybe later. It all depends on who that "top QB" might be. If it's anyone, but Trubs, then wouldn't you feel a little better, even good, about him being there at least at 12?
IF we love a QB, but love MG more, then the above still applies.
IF we really like a QB, but love MG, then we have to be prepared to take some risk that we won't land the QB. If we don't, I doubt we'll ever know who we didn't land.
Go with your brain... go with your "hate"... try decaf...
~7.4 days to go...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
WSS
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I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
WSS
I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
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I'll put my GM hat on for a second. If Mitch is still on the board @ #5, I pull the trigger on a trade up, as long as the asking price isn't much more than one of our seconds (not #33). Trading up any higher than that will cost too much, and I have a feeling the teams in the 2-4 slots wouldn't be too keen on moving down to #12.
As Sashi said in his presser- they're starting to get a feeling what teams drafting ahead of #12 might be thinking. And he acknowledged there's always the chance a team might draft a player you don't expect them to.
So yeah Tour- the only sure way to get both Myles and Mitch is to trade up to #2- I'm against that scenario, and it's not rocket science to opine that move isn't in Sashi's playbook either.
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Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
I said the Miami desk, which was just a second rounder to move up 10 spots.
I said the Miami desk, which was just a second rounder to move up 10 spots.
Yeah I know. But in the Browns case, they're going to get extorted for the qb premium- the only reason I could see Cleveland wanting to move up.
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i just don't get the feeling the browns are going to move up very far, if they do at all. Sashi even said, they like having lots of draft picks in the first few rounds and know they need to still add lots of talent to this roster. This puts them in a great spot to do such a thing. Even though they are willing to move up, it would have to be for the right price. I'm not sure they are going to surrender the farm for to do it, especially when they need help in lots of places. Personally, I would love to see them go MG, Defense again at 12 and 33 and then move up to grab a qb with 52. I really think that only 2 of those guys are going in the first round.
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Hopefully we are in the spot where we feel good about more than just one QB and are unafraid to wait it out. Or we just think 2018 looks far better and don't jump for anyone this year. Build the D and we would be just about ready to drop in a QB next year who would not have to match scores with every possession. I like Rosen a lot but did not see enough of Darnold to offer any opinion. But most pickers have him rated better than Rosen, who looked better as a pure passer to me than anyone this year. Just MO.
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Hopefully we are in the spot where we feel good about more than just one QB and are unafraid to wait it out. Or we just think 2018 looks far better and don't jump for anyone this year. Build the D and we would be just about ready to drop in a QB next year who would not have to match scores with every possession. I like Rosen a lot but did not see enough of Darnold to offer any opinion. But most pickers have him rated better than Rosen, who looked better as a pure passer to me than anyone this year. Just MO.
Hopefully we are in the spot where we feel good about more than just one QB and are unafraid to wait it out. Or we just think 2018 looks far better and don't jump for anyone this year. Build the D and we would be just about ready to drop in a QB next year who would not have to match scores with every possession. I like Rosen a lot but did not see enough of Darnold to offer any opinion. But most pickers have him rated better than Rosen, who looked better as a pure passer to me than anyone this year. Just MO.
We had one good Rosen in Cleveland sports. Al Rosen.
And I thought he was in the Baseball HOF, but perhaps not.
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i just don't get the feeling the browns are going to move up very far, if they do at all. Sashi even said, they like having lots of draft picks in the first few rounds and know they need to still add lots of talent to this roster. This puts them in a great spot to do such a thing. Even though they are willing to move up, it would have to be for the right price. I'm not sure they are going to surrender the farm for to do it, especially when they need help in lots of places. Personally, I would love to see them go MG, Defense again at 12 and 33 and then move up to grab a qb with 52. I really think that only 2 of those guys are going in the first round.
I would love to see the same thing, but I think we're dreaming wanting that to happen.i just don't get the feeling the browns are going to move up very far, if they do at all. Sashi even said, they like having lots of draft picks in the first few rounds and know they need to still add lots of talent to this roster. This puts them in a great spot to do such a thing. Even though they are willing to move up, it would have to be for the right price. I'm not sure they are going to surrender the farm for to do it, especially when they need help in lots of places. Personally, I would love to see them go MG, Defense again at 12 and 33 and then move up to grab a qb with 52. I really think that only 2 of those guys are going in the first round.
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