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    Nick Saban: We've never had an issue with Reuben Foster.

  • I hydrated myself. LOL.

  • I don't get anywhere near this kid. Many reasons why other than this, but the like is always worse than the crime

  • Can someone explain what a diluted sample means? I remember Josh Gordon had one (I think) and it was because he had something called "dilute" in his system, that can be used as a masking agent. From what I read about Foster, it sounded more like his urine sample was diluted and not strong enough? I'm confused. If a sample wasn't "strong enough", wouldn't they just test again an hour later?

  • You drink enough water to saturate your urine, diluting out the contaminates so they will be less concentrated.

  • You drink enough water to saturate your urine, diluting out the contaminates so they will be less concentrated.

    @choco said:

    You drink enough water to saturate your urine, diluting out the contaminates so they will be less concentrated.

    it can also mean adding chemicals to the sample or taking diuretics or other drugs to mask the urine or produce a diluted sample.

    SOP for this is retesting in an hour and the most likely reasoning is that he was intentionally trying to hide something.

    Though it is possible that it was accidental IE he was nervous and drank too much water. Unfortunately he was kicked out of the combine for threatening violence against the staff. likely the same staff doing this particular testing.

    Now instead of just popping hot for THC he has a diluted sample as his only sample which is much more likely to be an attempt at hiding something than it is to be a anomaly combined with the fact he lost his chance to retest because of his attitude problems. It all adds up to serious character issues. What if he were hiding Cocaine or Methamphetamine or Prescription Pills. These are now a possibility that teams need to consider when drafting foster as some of the worse case scenarios.

    I would feel A LOT better about drafting Foster if it were just a Pot failure.

  • Considering that gordon's 2013 season was better than any season a vast majority of our 1st rd picks have ever logged.... out I'm ok with the 2nd they dropped on him.

    @roycerolls said:

    Considering that gordon's 2013 season was better than any season a vast majority of our 1st rd picks have ever logged.... out I'm ok with the 2nd they dropped on him.

    While that is indisputable, would you spend the 2nd again knowing you will only get 1 year out of the guy?

  • It's better than spending a 2 on Massoquai or Robiskie. It isn't that it's an ideal situation, it's that given the Browns draft record, Gordon was still far more successful than a lot of guys who had longer,shittier careers.

  • Yea, maybe he will slip to #33. Though, fact is, Browns are better off at ILB than just about any other position on the field except along the OL now.

    If he could play OLB/DE/DT it would be better.

  • I guess I don't see how in the world a diluted sample can be counted as a positive. I mean, I drink a BUNCH of water every day, and I'm pretty sure my sample would be diluted. Just seems strange.

  • I guess I don't see how in the world a diluted sample can be counted as a positive. I mean, I drink a BUNCH of water every day, and I'm pretty sure my sample would be diluted. Just seems strange.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I guess I don't see how in the world a diluted sample can be counted as a positive. I mean, I drink a BUNCH of water every day, and I'm pretty sure my sample would be diluted. Just seems strange.

    Well for that one day you have to drink juice I guess. And by juice I don't mean roids.

  • It's better than spending a 2 on Massoquai or Robiskie. It isn't that it's an ideal situation, it's that given the Browns draft record, Gordon was still far more successful than a lot of guys who had longer,shittier careers.

    @roycerolls said:

    It's better than spending a 2 on Massoquai or Robiskie. It isn't that it's an ideal situation, it's that given the Browns draft record, Gordon was still far more successful than a lot of guys who had longer,shittier careers.

    Haha. Kinda like the 'she didn't let me cum, but at least she let me in' argument.

    Right now drafting Foster sounds like when I tell you Jessica Alba is going to give you a hand job with sandpaper gloves.

  • Hell if he falls to 33 ....BOOM ...do it

  • @roycerolls said:

    It's better than spending a 2 on Massoquai or Robiskie. It isn't that it's an ideal situation, it's that given the Browns draft record, Gordon was still far more successful than a lot of guys who had longer,shittier careers.

    Haha. Kinda like the 'she didn't let me cum, but at least she let me in' argument.

    Right now drafting Foster sounds like when I tell you Jessica Alba is going to give you a hand job with sandpaper gloves.

    @htownbrown said:

    Haha. Kinda like the 'she didn't let me cum, but at least she let me in' argument.

    Right now drafting Foster sounds like when I tell you Jessica Alba is going to give you a hand job with sandpaper gloves.

    It could still be worth it to let Jessica Alba give me a hand job with sandpaper.

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  • @htownbrown said:

    Haha. Kinda like the 'she didn't let me cum, but at least she let me in' argument.

    Right now drafting Foster sounds like when I tell you Jessica Alba is going to give you a hand job with sandpaper gloves.

    It could still be worth it to let Jessica Alba give me a hand job with sandpaper.

    Jessica-Alba-Fantastic-Four-2.jpg

    @the-gipper said:

    It could still be worth it to let Jessica Alba give me a hand job with sandpaper.

    Jessica-Alba-Fantastic-Four-2.jpg

    I guess it depends on the grit.

  • @the-gipper said:

    It could still be worth it to let Jessica Alba give me a hand job with sandpaper.

    Jessica-Alba-Fantastic-Four-2.jpg

    I guess it depends on the grit.

    @htownbrown said:

    I guess it depends on the grit.

    A little sand on the lips wouldn't be a big problem.

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  • Can someone explain what a diluted sample means? I remember Josh Gordon had one (I think) and it was because he had something called "dilute" in his system, that can be used as a masking agent. From what I read about Foster, it sounded more like his urine sample was diluted and not strong enough? I'm confused. If a sample wasn't "strong enough", wouldn't they just test again an hour later?

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Can someone explain what a diluted sample means? I remember Josh Gordon had one (I think) and it was because he had something called "dilute" in his system, that can be used as a masking agent. From what I read about Foster, it sounded more like his urine sample was diluted and not strong enough? I'm confused. If a sample wasn't "strong enough", wouldn't they just test again an hour later?

    OK, I worked in a hospital lab for many years. "Dilute" is measured by a thing called specific gravity. It's weight\volume, and pure water is the standard = 1.000 . Ha, to digress- lead is around 11.0, meaning a given volume of lead is 11X heavier than the same volume of water. "Normal" specific gravity of urine is around 1.010 to 1.030, though it can go higher (dehydrated) or lower (diabetics). I don't know what the NFL cutoff is, but I would flag anything lower than 1.003 as "suspicious". 1.000 definitely- someone is peeing pure water. 🙂

  • After the josh Gordon experience and examples on a host of other Teams it would be insane to spend anything higher than a fifth on this guy. Anyone that we drafted guy in the second round but also pound they're heading to concrete till their brain fell out.

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Can someone explain what a diluted sample means? I remember Josh Gordon had one (I think) and it was because he had something called "dilute" in his system, that can be used as a masking agent. From what I read about Foster, it sounded more like his urine sample was diluted and not strong enough? I'm confused. If a sample wasn't "strong enough", wouldn't they just test again an hour later?

    OK, I worked in a hospital lab for many years. "Dilute" is measured by a thing called specific gravity. It's weight\volume, and pure water is the standard = 1.000 . Ha, to digress- lead is around 11.0, meaning a given volume of lead is 11X heavier than the same volume of water. "Normal" specific gravity of urine is around 1.010 to 1.030, though it can go higher (dehydrated) or lower (diabetics). I don't know what the NFL cutoff is, but I would flag anything lower than 1.003 as "suspicious". 1.000 definitely- someone is peeing pure water. 🙂

    @hoorta said:

    OK, I worked in a hospital lab for many years. "Dilute" is measured by a thing called specific gravity. It's weight\volume, and pure water is the standard = 1.000 . Ha, to digress- lead is around 11.0, meaning a given volume of lead is 11X heavier than the same volume of water. "Normal" specific gravity of urine is around 1.010 to 1.030, though it can go higher (dehydrated) or lower (diabetics). I don't know what the NFL cutoff is, but I would flag anything lower than 1.003 as "suspicious". 1.000 definitely- someone is peeing pure water. 🙂

    story reads it was a diluted failure test caused by a food poisoning drug Foster took..Is that possible? cranberry tablets/ or juicing cranberry diluted a friends tests she failed..Is this a better possibility? Hate to see the Doc's office that cost him a few Million..

  • Can someone explain what a diluted sample means? I remember Josh Gordon had one (I think) and it was because he had something called "dilute" in his system, that can be used as a masking agent. From what I read about Foster, it sounded more like his urine sample was diluted and not strong enough? I'm confused. If a sample wasn't "strong enough", wouldn't they just test again an hour later?

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Can someone explain what a diluted sample means?

    It means you would've failed the test.

    This guy is off our board.