Trubisky
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jiggins, step away from the caffeine... You're constructing yourself into quandaries that do not need to exist.
Start with the easy part... Wentz. We don't know any more about his potential than we did a year ago. Yes, he started well against "a weak opponent" (how weak we painfully learned over the next 16 weeks), but he suffered as the book on him grew through the season. Nine of his 14 INTs came in the second half of the season. And his numbers fell against two of three division opponents the second time they saw him.
IF we have a QB #1 on our board, then we take him at #1, unless we know we can maneuver to get him later either by trading the #1 or tabbing MG and getting the QB later... maybe as late as 12... maybe later. It all depends on who that "top QB" might be. If it's anyone, but Trubs, then wouldn't you feel a little better, even good, about him being there at least at 12?
IF we love a QB, but love MG more, then the above still applies.
IF we really like a QB, but love MG, then we have to be prepared to take some risk that we won't land the QB. If we don't, I doubt we'll ever know who we didn't land.
Go with your brain... go with your "hate"... try decaf...
~7.4 days to go...
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I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
WSS
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I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
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I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
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I might take the Titans deal if it was really a possibility. But I'd be surprised if we did. And if we didn't help pissed off or you're going to be if Trubisky falls to 12, just in case the Jets want one of the other also-rans, or below assuming the Browns didn't really want him?
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I'll put my GM hat on for a second. If Mitch is still on the board @ #5, I pull the trigger on a trade up, as long as the asking price isn't much more than one of our seconds (not #33). Trading up any higher than that will cost too much, and I have a feeling the teams in the 2-4 slots wouldn't be too keen on moving down to #12.
As Sashi said in his presser- they're starting to get a feeling what teams drafting ahead of #12 might be thinking. And he acknowledged there's always the chance a team might draft a player you don't expect them to.
So yeah Tour- the only sure way to get both Myles and Mitch is to trade up to #2- I'm against that scenario, and it's not rocket science to opine that move isn't in Sashi's playbook either.
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Steal? Not really. Using the JJ chart, the difference between #5 (Titans) and us @ #12 is 400 points. We give them back their #52 = 380. Throw in a future 5th rounder, and DONE. I've pointed out the 49ers #2 overall is out of reach, short of a Goff\Wentz sell the ranch deal. If the Jets really want Trubs, the jump from #6 to #2 is far less costly, and flopping picks with the Titans - even less.
I said the Miami desk, which was just a second rounder to move up 10 spots.
I said the Miami desk, which was just a second rounder to move up 10 spots.
Yeah I know. But in the Browns case, they're going to get extorted for the qb premium- the only reason I could see Cleveland wanting to move up.
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i just don't get the feeling the browns are going to move up very far, if they do at all. Sashi even said, they like having lots of draft picks in the first few rounds and know they need to still add lots of talent to this roster. This puts them in a great spot to do such a thing. Even though they are willing to move up, it would have to be for the right price. I'm not sure they are going to surrender the farm for to do it, especially when they need help in lots of places. Personally, I would love to see them go MG, Defense again at 12 and 33 and then move up to grab a qb with 52. I really think that only 2 of those guys are going in the first round.
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Hopefully we are in the spot where we feel good about more than just one QB and are unafraid to wait it out. Or we just think 2018 looks far better and don't jump for anyone this year. Build the D and we would be just about ready to drop in a QB next year who would not have to match scores with every possession. I like Rosen a lot but did not see enough of Darnold to offer any opinion. But most pickers have him rated better than Rosen, who looked better as a pure passer to me than anyone this year. Just MO.
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Hopefully we are in the spot where we feel good about more than just one QB and are unafraid to wait it out. Or we just think 2018 looks far better and don't jump for anyone this year. Build the D and we would be just about ready to drop in a QB next year who would not have to match scores with every possession. I like Rosen a lot but did not see enough of Darnold to offer any opinion. But most pickers have him rated better than Rosen, who looked better as a pure passer to me than anyone this year. Just MO.
Hopefully we are in the spot where we feel good about more than just one QB and are unafraid to wait it out. Or we just think 2018 looks far better and don't jump for anyone this year. Build the D and we would be just about ready to drop in a QB next year who would not have to match scores with every possession. I like Rosen a lot but did not see enough of Darnold to offer any opinion. But most pickers have him rated better than Rosen, who looked better as a pure passer to me than anyone this year. Just MO.
We had one good Rosen in Cleveland sports. Al Rosen.
And I thought he was in the Baseball HOF, but perhaps not.
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i just don't get the feeling the browns are going to move up very far, if they do at all. Sashi even said, they like having lots of draft picks in the first few rounds and know they need to still add lots of talent to this roster. This puts them in a great spot to do such a thing. Even though they are willing to move up, it would have to be for the right price. I'm not sure they are going to surrender the farm for to do it, especially when they need help in lots of places. Personally, I would love to see them go MG, Defense again at 12 and 33 and then move up to grab a qb with 52. I really think that only 2 of those guys are going in the first round.
I would love to see the same thing, but I think we're dreaming wanting that to happen.i just don't get the feeling the browns are going to move up very far, if they do at all. Sashi even said, they like having lots of draft picks in the first few rounds and know they need to still add lots of talent to this roster. This puts them in a great spot to do such a thing. Even though they are willing to move up, it would have to be for the right price. I'm not sure they are going to surrender the farm for to do it, especially when they need help in lots of places. Personally, I would love to see them go MG, Defense again at 12 and 33 and then move up to grab a qb with 52. I really think that only 2 of those guys are going in the first round.
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How many QBs in the 1st is going to depend on when the first is taken.
If the Jets kick it off at #6, they could trigger a run. If on the other hand a couple QB needy teams trade down early with teams eager for D help, then maybe we do at 12... and possibly trigger a mid-round run. Either run could easily produce four taken.
But if we pass on a passer at 12, then, yeah, one or two... with maybe a third late in a trade up to secure that "valuable" 5th-year option.
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How many QBs in the 1st is going to depend on when the first is taken.
If the Jets kick it off at #6, they could trigger a run. If on the other hand a couple QB needy teams trade down early with teams eager for D help, then maybe we do at 12... and possibly trigger a mid-round run. Either run could easily produce four taken.
But if we pass on a passer at 12, then, yeah, one or two... with maybe a third late in a trade up to secure that "valuable" 5th-year option.
How many QBs in the 1st is going to depend on when the first is taken.
If the Jets kick it off at #6, they could trigger a run. If on the other hand a couple QB needy teams trade down early with teams eager for D help, then maybe we do at 12... and possibly trigger a mid-round run. Either run could easily produce four taken.
But if we pass on a passer at 12, then, yeah, one or two... with maybe a third late in a trade up to secure that "valuable" 5th-year option.
The "Run" could start earlier than that. In theory, you could have 3 QBs taken by pick #6. It could happen, not that I predict that it will...but, it could.
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i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
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i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
Assume this happens. Then come Da Bears. While they have Glennon, do they think he is QB of the future? Still don't count them out of the QB derby.
While it may be 10% that Jags are interested in a QB...you just never know.
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i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
Smoke to generate a high powered trade down by a QB needy team like the JETS or Bills. SF needs to do what we did last year, trade down to get a lot more picks in the future.
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i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
Smoke to generate a high powered trade down by a QB needy team like the JETS or Bills. SF needs to do what we did last year, trade down to get a lot more picks in the future.
Smoke to generate a high powered trade down by a QB needy team like the JETS or Bills. SF needs to do what we did last year, trade down to get a lot more picks in the future.
Not to mention the Jags GM saying yesterday that they've not yet made the decision on whether to exercise their 5th-year option on Bortles...
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I think it is all a smokescreen. I don't think a single qb will be off the board by the time the browns pick at #12. SF will trade down to #8 with Carolina. Buffalo will jump up with the Jets. I think the browns will throw an offer out there to move-up, but if it is not within reason they will stay put at 12 and wait for the qb's to fall. No way the jets go qb or the bills. Not with both having "defensive" coaches on the staff. The jets need to win this year for Fowles to keep his job, hence McCown. Bills just re-signed TT to a reasonable contract. They will add someone later but not in the first. NO is tempting due to Brees age, but i think that #32 pick is more likely than the #11. I'll take a stab at how I think it all shakes out:
1.) Cleveland: Myles Garrett
2.) Carolina: Leonard Fournette
3.) Chicago: Solomon Thomas
4.) Jacksonville: Jonathan Allen
5.) Tennessee: Jamal Adams
6.) Buffalo: Marshon Lattimore
7.) LA Chargers: Malik Hooker
8.) San Francisco: Christian McCaffrey
9.) Cincinnati: Reuben Foster
10.) NY Jets; OJ Howard
11.) NO: Hasaan Reddick
12.) Cleveland: Mitchell Trubisky
I have one more crazy scenario. If Hooker, Adams, Trubisky or Allen are still on the board at 12, The browns will take the best Defensive player and then trade with AZ to get the #13 pick. My guess is it takes 33, 5th, and a second rounder next year. It would be completely unexpected but that would be the time to make a deal such as that. AZ seems like the perfect team that would want to trade down especially with that #33 pick that has tons of value. They can still get their WR or DB with that pick.
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I think it is all a smokescreen. I don't think a single qb will be off the board by the time the browns pick at #12. SF will trade down to #8 with Carolina. Buffalo will jump up with the Jets. I think the browns will throw an offer out there to move-up, but if it is not within reason they will stay put at 12 and wait for the qb's to fall. No way the jets go qb or the bills. Not with both having "defensive" coaches on the staff. The jets need to win this year for Fowles to keep his job, hence McCown. Bills just re-signed TT to a reasonable contract. They will add someone later but not in the first. NO is tempting due to Brees age, but i think that #32 pick is more likely than the #11. I'll take a stab at how I think it all shakes out:
1.) Cleveland: Myles Garrett
2.) Carolina: Leonard Fournette
3.) Chicago: Solomon Thomas
4.) Jacksonville: Jonathan Allen
5.) Tennessee: Jamal Adams
6.) Buffalo: Marshon Lattimore
7.) LA Chargers: Malik Hooker
8.) San Francisco: Christian McCaffrey
9.) Cincinnati: Reuben Foster
10.) NY Jets; OJ Howard
11.) NO: Hasaan Reddick
12.) Cleveland: Mitchell Trubisky
I have one more crazy scenario. If Hooker, Adams, Trubisky or Allen are still on the board at 12, The browns will take the best Defensive player and then trade with AZ to get the #13 pick. My guess is it takes 33, 5th, and a second rounder next year. It would be completely unexpected but that would be the time to make a deal such as that. AZ seems like the perfect team that would want to trade down especially with that #33 pick that has tons of value. They can still get their WR or DB with that pick.
I think it is all a smokescreen. I don't think a single qb will be off the board by the time the browns pick at #12. SF will trade down to #8 with Carolina. Buffalo will jump up with the Jets. I think the browns will throw an offer out there to move-up, but if it is not within reason they will stay put at 12 and wait for the qb's to fall. No way the jets go qb or the bills. Not with both having "defensive" coaches on the staff. The jets need to win this year for Fowles to keep his job, hence McCown. Bills just re-signed TT to a reasonable contract. They will add someone later but not in the first. NO is tempting due to Brees age, but i think that #32 pick is more likely than the #11. I'll take a stab at how I think it all shakes out:
1.) Cleveland: Myles Garrett
2.) Carolina: Leonard Fournette
3.) Chicago: Solomon Thomas
4.) Jacksonville: Jonathan Allen
5.) Tennessee: Jamal Adams
6.) Buffalo: Marshon Lattimore
7.) LA Chargers: Malik Hooker
8.) San Francisco: Christian McCaffrey
9.) Cincinnati: Reuben Foster
10.) NY Jets; OJ Howard
11.) NO: Hasaan Reddick
12.) Cleveland: Mitchell Trubisky
I have one more crazy scenario. If Hooker, Adams, Trubisky or Allen are still on the board at 12, The browns will take the best Defensive player and then trade with AZ to get the #13 pick. My guess is it takes 33, 5th, and a second rounder next year. It would be completely unexpected but that would be the time to make a deal such as that. AZ seems like the perfect team that would want to trade down especially with that #33 pick that has tons of value. They can still get their WR or DB with that pick.
Not sure about the "crazy", but the movement and picks in the top 12 are well reasoned...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think it is all a smokescreen. I don't think a single qb will be off the board by the time the browns pick at #12. SF will trade down to #8 with Carolina. Buffalo will jump up with the Jets. I think the browns will throw an offer out there to move-up, but if it is not within reason they will stay put at 12 and wait for the qb's to fall. No way the jets go qb or the bills. Not with both having "defensive" coaches on the staff. The jets need to win this year for Fowles to keep his job, hence McCown. Bills just re-signed TT to a reasonable contract. They will add someone later but not in the first. NO is tempting due to Brees age, but i think that #32 pick is more likely than the #11. I'll take a stab at how I think it all shakes out:
1.) Cleveland: Myles Garrett
2.) Carolina: Leonard Fournette
3.) Chicago: Solomon Thomas
4.) Jacksonville: Jonathan Allen
5.) Tennessee: Jamal Adams
6.) Buffalo: Marshon Lattimore
7.) LA Chargers: Malik Hooker
8.) San Francisco: Christian McCaffrey
9.) Cincinnati: Reuben Foster
10.) NY Jets; OJ Howard
11.) NO: Hasaan Reddick
12.) Cleveland: Mitchell Trubisky
I have one more crazy scenario. If Hooker, Adams, Trubisky or Allen are still on the board at 12, The browns will take the best Defensive player and then trade with AZ to get the #13 pick. My guess is it takes 33, 5th, and a second rounder next year. It would be completely unexpected but that would be the time to make a deal such as that. AZ seems like the perfect team that would want to trade down especially with that #33 pick that has tons of value. They can still get their WR or DB with that pick.
Not sure about the "crazy", but the movement and picks in the top 12 are well reasoned...
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i just heard on the radio that there have been discussions about the 9ers taking Watson at 2 which would be hilarious and great for the Browns.
Smoke to generate a high powered trade down by a QB needy team like the JETS or Bills. SF needs to do what we did last year, trade down to get a lot more picks in the future.
Smoke to generate a high powered trade down by a QB needy team like the JETS or Bills. SF needs to do what we did last year, trade down to get a lot more picks in the future.
I agree, I watched a live stream on YouTube that was centered around what the 49ers should do at 2, and all the niners fans who called in wanted to trade down. The host had to remind everyone that trading down was not an option, and they'd have to pick a player.
Not to say that the fans have any say in what the front office will do, but I'd think if San Fran had they opportunity, they'd love to trade down and acquire more picks. The 49ers are an absolute shit show and they need all the help they can get.
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Sadly, MT was at the Bulls game and the crowd booed him when his face went on the jumbotron. So fuck you Chicago we'll take him back when his rookie contract is up.
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