Why hasn't this team embraced Osweiler?
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Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC thatstarted him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
I would like to know the answer to that question.
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Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team.
And there's a fat guy in a red suit that flies behind reindeer in the sky every 24th of December. - Flugel
Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington!
Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC that started him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
Oh, and we still don't have a Franchise QB.
While the previous regime here was staining their underwear over Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel - Oakland drafted Khalil Mack and Derek Carr (in round 2). Today, there's only 2 first round picks from the 2014 draft that are unemployed in the NFL: Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert. Let's make sure we blame Sashi for 100% of that. Last I checked, Sashi got a draft pick from Pittsburgh in exchange for Justin Gilbert (whom they cut). Seems to me, Oakland doesn't have to screw around looking for an elite edge rusher or QB any more. - Flugel
So no, I'm not impressed with the FO so far.
Nobody is asking you to be. - Flugel
Please don't hang their hat on paying $16 M on a second rounder.
Good stories never go straight from "Once upon a time" to "they lived happily ever after." - Flugel
Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team.
And there's a fat guy in a red suit that flies behind reindeer in the sky every 24th of December. - Flugel
Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington!
Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC that started him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
Both of these comments are true.....and exactly how I felt when the deals went down......
1) player gets offer from Browns
2) player then talks to other team
3) Browns get pissed and withdraw offer
4) other team gets player
5) Browns "make their point", then have to settle for less.....
Schwartz / Pryor = nobody / Britt
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Speaking of which what's up with Crowell? Did he sign the tender offer yesterday?
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Speaking of which what's up with Crowell? Did he sign the tender offer yesterday?
Speaking of which what's up with Crowell? Did he sign the tender offer yesterday?
Nope... http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Isaiah-Crowell-did-not-sign-RFA-contract-sheet-52414012
Looks like we may be headed to our first "hold out" situation. Kinda saw that coming when we put the 2nd-round tender on him.
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Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC thatstarted him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
I would like to know the answer to that question.
Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC thatstarted him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
I would like to know the answer to that question.
Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015, Pryor was cut right before the end of training camp. All 32 NFL teams left him unemployed for about 3 months until Cleveland re-signed him so late in the season that the coaching staff was too uncomfortable to start him. The next coaching staff started him in 2016.
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Speaking of which what's up with Crowell? Did he sign the tender offer yesterday?
Nope... http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Isaiah-Crowell-did-not-sign-RFA-contract-sheet-52414012
Looks like we may be headed to our first "hold out" situation. Kinda saw that coming when we put the 2nd-round tender on him.
Nope... http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Isaiah-Crowell-did-not-sign-RFA-contract-sheet-52414012
Looks like we may be headed to our first "hold out" situation. Kinda saw that coming when we put the 2nd-round tender on him.
ARGHHHH! Soft tissue injuries usually follow these delayed contract agreements. Not to give Clevsies acid reflux here but Didn't Bosa miss about the first month of the season to a hammy pull last year?
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Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC thatstarted him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
I would like to know the answer to that question.
Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015, Pryor was cut right before the end of training camp. All 32 NFL teams left him unemployed for about 3 months until Cleveland re-signed him so late in the season that the coaching staff was too uncomfortable to start him. The next coaching staff started him in 2016.
Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015,
You do realize he didnt catch a single pass in the 2015 preseason...right?....not a single one(impressive, eh?)
And that, prior to coming to the Browns, he refused to switch positions when asked.....(and he was)......and insisted on playing only QB....
And, since he said he DIDNT want to switch positions prior to 2015, who would want him on their roster....???
The only reason he finally relented and opted for WR, was that he was gonna be out of the league.....which, to many, wasnt motivation enough to take the risk...
The Browns took the risk.....developed him over 2 years....then, once he looked like he might have some game, they let him slide away
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Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015,
You do realize he didnt catch a single pass in the 2015 preseason...right?....not a single one(impressive, eh?)
And that, prior to coming to the Browns, he refused to switch positions when asked.....(and he was)......and insisted on playing only QB....
And, since he said he DIDNT want to switch positions prior to 2015, who would want him on their roster....???
The only reason he finally relented and opted for WR, was that he was gonna be out of the league.....which, to many, wasnt motivation enough to take the risk...
The Browns took the risk.....developed him over 2 years....then, once he looked like he might have some game, they let him slide away
You do realize he didnt catch a single pass in the 2015 preseason...right?....not a single one(impressive, eh?)
And that, prior to coming to the Browns, he refused to switch positions when asked.....(and he was)......and insisted on playing only QB....
And, since he said he DIDNT want to switch positions prior to 2015, who would want him on their roster....???
The only reason he finally relented and opted for WR, was that he was gonna be out of the league.....which, to many, wasnt motivation enough to take the risk...
The Browns took the risk.....developed him over 2 years....then, once he looked like he might have some game, they let him slide away
I wasn't talking about 2014 when he only wanted to play QB in a league that stopped seeing him as a QB. I was talking about 2015 when he realized the only future he had was at WR.
On this board, the most talked about WR in Training Camp in 2015 was Pryor. Do you really need to pretend otherwise? He had a great camp before he got cut as a WR.
And while I have you wearing your battle armor for the previous regime again - who did we need to make room for when we cut Pryor? The 12 million $ man (Dwayne Bowe) who caught 5 passes for 53 yards in 2015. I know, they only started making mistakes at the WR position in 2016. You've covered that a bunch of times.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015,
You do realize he didnt catch a single pass in the 2015 preseason...right?....not a single one(impressive, eh?)
And that, prior to coming to the Browns, he refused to switch positions when asked.....(and he was)......and insisted on playing only QB....
And, since he said he DIDNT want to switch positions prior to 2015, who would want him on their roster....???
The only reason he finally relented and opted for WR, was that he was gonna be out of the league.....which, to many, wasnt motivation enough to take the risk...
The Browns took the risk.....developed him over 2 years....then, once he looked like he might have some game, they let him slide away
...then, once he looked like he might have some game, they let him slide away
Ehhhh.... Rosenhaus helped.
I still ask... how long did they expect us to stand pat while they "shopped"? Once we signed Britt, TP was superfluous...
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Ehhhh.... Rosenhaus helped.
I still ask... how long did they expect us to stand pat while they "shopped"? Once we signed Britt, TP was superfluous...
Exactly. I started reading another episode of it's this FO's fault Schwartz doesn't want to stay here after the market disappointed him.
And then of course 100% of the blame for our QB situation today conveniently had nothing to do with our 2014 draft - only the rookie year of the new FO (where growing pains/learning curves are suddenly not to be tolerated as of 2016).
I never did hear how much more generous Washington was to Pryor than Cleveland in all this.
It's 1 thing to be disappointed and frustrated with where we were in 2016. To sit here and pretend 100% of all the inherited land mines, veterans wanting out and bare cupboards is entirely the new regime's fault with only 1 offseason/draft/FA period to their name is narrow minded. If you read some guys, they act like this FO hasn't made 1 good move.
A draft cannot be fully/accurately evaluated for about 3 years especially when a lot of the picks were in mid-late rounds. Have we seen the best of Shon Coleman yet? The other Coleman played his best game scoring 2 TDs before he broke his hand and missed the next 6 games before returning to different temporary starting QB.
Some guys are crying like Sashi is pulling their teeth out without novocaine. If they really looked though - the year divine intervention put Khalil Mack (elite edge rusher) and Derek Carr (QB in round 2) on our door step was in 2014. But don't anyone dare to call that regime out under any circumstances on their watch... Think of where we'd be with this draft at this point if we had ANYONE that knew what they were doing in 2014... And for all the temper tantrums about the departures of Schwartz and Mack - they might have actually had a rationale telling them to stay if they didn't witness such an epic round 1 failure perpetuating their sense of needing greener pastures elsewhere. But why recognize everything when we can just blame Sashi for all the things Schwartz and Mack got sick of here. This would have been Mack's 4th FO (Holmgren,Banner,Farmer,Brown) and Schwartz's 3rd so there's way more to this stuff than some are choosing to emphasize.
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You do realize he didnt catch a single pass in the 2015 preseason...right?....not a single one(impressive, eh?)
And that, prior to coming to the Browns, he refused to switch positions when asked.....(and he was)......and insisted on playing only QB....
And, since he said he DIDNT want to switch positions prior to 2015, who would want him on their roster....???
The only reason he finally relented and opted for WR, was that he was gonna be out of the league.....which, to many, wasnt motivation enough to take the risk...
The Browns took the risk.....developed him over 2 years....then, once he looked like he might have some game, they let him slide away
I wasn't talking about 2014 when he only wanted to play QB in a league that stopped seeing him as a QB. I was talking about 2015 when he realized the only future he had was at WR.
On this board, the most talked about WR in Training Camp in 2015 was Pryor. Do you really need to pretend otherwise? He had a great camp before he got cut as a WR.
And while I have you wearing your battle armor for the previous regime again - who did we need to make room for when we cut Pryor? The 12 million $ man (Dwayne Bowe) who caught 5 passes for 53 yards in 2015. I know, they only started making mistakes at the WR position in 2016. You've covered that a bunch of times.
On this board, the most talked about WR in Training Camp in 2015 was Pryor. Do you really need to pretend otherwise? He had a great camp before he got cut as a WR.
...most talked about?.....pretending otherwise?
I thought you said he had an impressive preseason.....my mistake.....
I remember Josh Lenz being everybodies boy from that camp and Pryor having a hamstring injury the entire time....but I might be wrong(dont think so)
Ehhhh.... Rosenhaus helped.
I still ask... how long did they expect us to stand pat while they "shopped"? Once we signed Britt, TP was superfluous...
I get the arguments...
Bottom line.....we didnt get it done.....blame the player...blame the FO....whatever....just not getting it done....
Exactly. I started reading another episode of it's this FO's fault Schwartz doesn't want to stay here after the market disappointed him. And then of course 100% of the blame for our QB situation today conveniently had nothing to do with our 2014 draft - only the rookie year of the new FO (where growing pains/learning curves are suddenly not to be tolerated as of 2016).
I never did hear how much more generous Washington was to Pryor than Cleveland in all this.
Washington wasnt more generous....thats the point....we withdrew our offer, which Pryor "probably" would have signed.....
And Im not sure anyone has said todays QB situation wasnt the fault of the 2014 staff......though I see you screaming to give this FO a waiver for year one, while you continue to batter ram Farmer for his year one....seems you're preaching the opposite of what you're implying....
Besides.....Haslam picked Johnny.....we all know it....Pettine finally said it....so, to me, that is 99.9% fact.....
And...even with the complete bust 1st round.....and only 6 picks overall....we still have 2 all-pro level players from that limited draft....So, just to be on par with that, we should expect 4 comparable players from last years draft(just to be equal).....and 5 comparable players to be one pick better.....
Looking forward to that....
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Ehhhh.... Rosenhaus helped.
I still ask... how long did they expect us to stand pat while they "shopped"? Once we signed Britt, TP was superfluous...
Exactly. I started reading another episode of it's this FO's fault Schwartz doesn't want to stay here after the market disappointed him.
And then of course 100% of the blame for our QB situation today conveniently had nothing to do with our 2014 draft - only the rookie year of the new FO (where growing pains/learning curves are suddenly not to be tolerated as of 2016).
I never did hear how much more generous Washington was to Pryor than Cleveland in all this.
It's 1 thing to be disappointed and frustrated with where we were in 2016. To sit here and pretend 100% of all the inherited land mines, veterans wanting out and bare cupboards is entirely the new regime's fault with only 1 offseason/draft/FA period to their name is narrow minded. If you read some guys, they act like this FO hasn't made 1 good move.
A draft cannot be fully/accurately evaluated for about 3 years especially when a lot of the picks were in mid-late rounds. Have we seen the best of Shon Coleman yet? The other Coleman played his best game scoring 2 TDs before he broke his hand and missed the next 6 games before returning to different temporary starting QB.
Some guys are crying like Sashi is pulling their teeth out without novocaine. If they really looked though - the year divine intervention put Khalil Mack (elite edge rusher) and Derek Carr (QB in round 2) on our door step was in 2014. But don't anyone dare to call that regime out under any circumstances on their watch... Think of where we'd be with this draft at this point if we had ANYONE that knew what they were doing in 2014... And for all the temper tantrums about the departures of Schwartz and Mack - they might have actually had a rationale telling them to stay if they didn't witness such an epic round 1 failure perpetuating their sense of needing greener pastures elsewhere. But why recognize everything when we can just blame Sashi for all the things Schwartz and Mack got sick of here. This would have been Mack's 4th FO (Holmgren,Banner,Farmer,Brown) and Schwartz's 3rd so there's way more to this stuff than some are choosing to emphasize.
I never did hear how much more generous Washington was to Pryor than Cleveland in all this.
IIRC TP signed for less than our offer, but ours was a multi-year, very similar to what Britt inked.
Also heard that initially WSH's offer was very close to ours, but he signed a one-year deal for less money. Basically he is betting on himself to show 2016 was not only not a fluke, but that he is still improving as a WR and his BIG payday will come in the next FA cycle. Can't really blame him for that...
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On this board, the most talked about WR in Training Camp in 2015 was Pryor. Do you really need to pretend otherwise? He had a great camp before he got cut as a WR.
...most talked about?.....pretending otherwise?
I thought you said he had an impressive preseason.....my mistake.....
I remember Josh Lenz being everybodies boy from that camp and Pryor having a hamstring injury the entire time....but I might be wrong(dont think so)
Ehhhh.... Rosenhaus helped.
I still ask... how long did they expect us to stand pat while they "shopped"? Once we signed Britt, TP was superfluous...
I get the arguments...
Bottom line.....we didnt get it done.....blame the player...blame the FO....whatever....just not getting it done....
Exactly. I started reading another episode of it's this FO's fault Schwartz doesn't want to stay here after the market disappointed him. And then of course 100% of the blame for our QB situation today conveniently had nothing to do with our 2014 draft - only the rookie year of the new FO (where growing pains/learning curves are suddenly not to be tolerated as of 2016).
I never did hear how much more generous Washington was to Pryor than Cleveland in all this.
Washington wasnt more generous....thats the point....we withdrew our offer, which Pryor "probably" would have signed.....
And Im not sure anyone has said todays QB situation wasnt the fault of the 2014 staff......though I see you screaming to give this FO a waiver for year one, while you continue to batter ram Farmer for his year one....seems you're preaching the opposite of what you're implying....
Besides.....Haslam picked Johnny.....we all know it....Pettine finally said it....so, to me, that is 99.9% fact.....
And...even with the complete bust 1st round.....and only 6 picks overall....we still have 2 all-pro level players from that limited draft....So, just to be on par with that, we should expect 4 comparable players from last years draft(just to be equal).....and 5 comparable players to be one pick better.....
Looking forward to that....
...we withdrew our offer, which Pryor "probably" would have signed.....
I don't think you can support that. Everything I've read and heard said Pryor wanted a payday... now... and any multi-year deal had to include that payday. Clearly ours did not...
The one-year deal in WSH came when TP/Drew realized their dream payday wasn't happening in 2017. Therefore the next best thing, given that interested teams were down to one, was the one-year with a team where again he is shaping up to be the guy, the #1 by default, if not merit.
I seriously doubt TP would have signed a one-year with us, before we signed Britt, which was before they'd fully gauged the market.
And again, after Britt... superfluous... (I love that word...)
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...we withdrew our offer, which Pryor "probably" would have signed.....
I don't think you can support that. Everything I've read and heard said Pryor wanted a payday... now... and any multi-year deal had to include that payday. Clearly ours did not...
The one-year deal in WSH came when TP/Drew realized their dream payday wasn't happening in 2017. Therefore the next best thing, given that interested teams were down to one, was the one-year with a team where again he is shaping up to be the guy, the #1 by default, if not merit.
I seriously doubt TP would have signed a one-year with us, before we signed Britt, which was before they'd fully gauged the market.
And again, after Britt... superfluous... (I love that word...)
And again, after Britt... superfluous... (I love that word...)
It is a good word....
Yeah...Ok on the Pryor thing, I see your point.....didnt break my heart.....was always on the fence with him......which is where Ill be sitting with Britt too....
So, continuing my argument would be...(wait for it)....superfluous
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Eh, WR are a dime a dozen.
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And again, after Britt... superfluous... (I love that word...)
It is a good word....
Yeah...Ok on the Pryor thing, I see your point.....didnt break my heart.....was always on the fence with him......which is where Ill be sitting with Britt too....
So, continuing my argument would be...(wait for it)....superfluous
Geez... all we need is a couple rolls of dimes and it's Super Bowl, baby!
It is a good word....
Yeah...Ok on the Pryor thing, I see your point.....didnt break my heart.....was always on the fence with him......which is where Ill be sitting with Britt too....
So, continuing my argument would be...(wait for it)....superfluous
Would have sworn since you are clearly not invested yet persisting that you'd have gone for.... WAIT FOR IT.... "Gippish"... 🥷
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Geez... all we need is a couple rolls of dimes and it's Super Bowl, baby!
It is a good word....
Yeah...Ok on the Pryor thing, I see your point.....didnt break my heart.....was always on the fence with him......which is where Ill be sitting with Britt too....
So, continuing my argument would be...(wait for it)....superfluous
Would have sworn since you are clearly not invested yet persisting that you'd have gone for.... WAIT FOR IT.... "Gippish"... 🥷
Geez... all we need is a couple rolls of dimes and it's Super Bowl, baby!
Would have sworn since you are clearly not invested yet persisting that you'd have gone for.... WAIT FOR IT.... "Gippish"... 🥷
Please.....Gippish?.....stop me if I do...
Im a bit more invested.....just need to see some strong picks and Ill be ok......
The shelton pick felt good, cause most of us were on board BEFORE the draft ...he was who we wanted....then we got it....
But, last years draft?.....none of that happened....So, id like to get back to that feeling we all had when Danny was picked....and that type of draft would get me going......Adams, Garret, Thomas, Allen, Lattimore, Foster, etc etc....lets get a couple....
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On this board, the most talked about WR in Training Camp in 2015 was Pryor. Do you really need to pretend otherwise? He had a great camp before he got cut as a WR.
...most talked about?.....pretending otherwise?
I thought you said he had an impressive preseason.....my mistake.....
I remember Josh Lenz being everybodies boy from that camp and Pryor having a hamstring injury the entire time....but I might be wrong(dont think so)
Ehhhh.... Rosenhaus helped.
I still ask... how long did they expect us to stand pat while they "shopped"? Once we signed Britt, TP was superfluous...
I get the arguments...
Bottom line.....we didnt get it done.....blame the player...blame the FO....whatever....just not getting it done....
Exactly. I started reading another episode of it's this FO's fault Schwartz doesn't want to stay here after the market disappointed him. And then of course 100% of the blame for our QB situation today conveniently had nothing to do with our 2014 draft - only the rookie year of the new FO (where growing pains/learning curves are suddenly not to be tolerated as of 2016).
I never did hear how much more generous Washington was to Pryor than Cleveland in all this.
Washington wasnt more generous....thats the point....we withdrew our offer, which Pryor "probably" would have signed.....
And Im not sure anyone has said todays QB situation wasnt the fault of the 2014 staff......though I see you screaming to give this FO a waiver for year one, while you continue to batter ram Farmer for his year one....seems you're preaching the opposite of what you're implying....
Besides.....Haslam picked Johnny.....we all know it....Pettine finally said it....so, to me, that is 99.9% fact.....
And...even with the complete bust 1st round.....and only 6 picks overall....we still have 2 all-pro level players from that limited draft....So, just to be on par with that, we should expect 4 comparable players from last years draft(just to be equal).....and 5 comparable players to be one pick better.....
Looking forward to that....
...most talked about?.....pretending otherwise? I thought you said he had an impressive preseason.....my mistake.....
I didn't realize we were trying out for the high school debate team. Training Camp and preseason are often used interchangeably but not on your watch especially if it's at the expense of the last regime. - Flugel
I remember Josh Lenz being everybodies boy from that camp and Pryor having a hamstring injury the entire time....but I might be wrong(dont think so)
A few guys liked Lens and were disappointed when he got cut while a lot more in here seemed disappointed at Pryor getting cut. Most of the buzz and aw I read about from our fans and on www.clevelandbrowns.com was about Pryor in the 2015 training camp. He did pull his hammy but that regime cut the upsides of Pryor and Lenz and kept a 12 million $ bum the coaching staff never had any intentions of playing. - Flugel
Washington wasnt more generous....thats the point....
So who looked like the epic dumbass when the entire league showed him zero interest beside the Redskins who were losing most of their WR Corps? So when Washington says we think so much of you we'll pay you less than Cleveland wants to - you and Pryor think that was a compliment? God bless ya! Again, we competed with nobody to re-sign him late in 2015. He then started for Hue as a WR in a career saving niche gaining comfort and momentum in 2016 until... After just 1 year, for less money, he said "Fuck Hue" and Sashi said "No, Fuck You!" Sashi looked like the one that went to Harvard in that one.- Flugel
And Im not sure anyone has said todays QB situation wasnt the fault of the 2014 staff......though I see you screaming to give this FO a waiver for year one, while you continue to batter ram Farmer for his year one....seems you're preaching the opposite of what you're implying....
Touche. You mean like you only screaming about Gabriel getting cut in 2016 after his volume of 1 TD reception in 2 years inclusive of his receptions dropping down to 28 for 8.6 ypc in 2015. His yardage also dropped from 579 in 2014 to 241 in 2015 showing a lack of progress under the previous regime's second OC? I see why he wanted to go back to the same Kyle Shanahan that your idol Ray Farmer chased out of here. Only the new version had a Julio Jones stealing all of the safety attention while having a franchise QB in an MVP season didn't hurt that. - Flugel
Besides.....Haslam picked Johnny.....we all know it....Pettine finally said it....so, to me, that is 99.9% fact.....
So, Ray Farmer clarifying he was all in on selecting Johnny tells me what about his integrity that that cell phone calls down to the sideline didn't already slam dunk? Oh wait, you excuse those kiddy games but nothing in 2016 would be tolerated under your watch. - Flugel
And...even with the complete bust 1st round.....and only 6 picks overall....we still have 2 all-pro level players from that limited draft....So, just to be on par with that, we should expect 4 comparable players from last years draft(just to be equal).....and 5 comparable players to be one pick better.....
Who was an All Pro? I missed both of them? Farmer had 4 first round picks and 2 of them are out of the NFL already while the other is Cam Erving. I thought you belly ached about needing more impact in round 1? That only pertains to 2016? Ooops, not so fast, today I read you're okay with playing Russian Roulette with #12 overall if it's a guy coming off shoulder surgery who also got kicked out of the combines and failed a drug test? Yeah, we could really use that 12th overall draft pick for the purpose of keeping Josh Gordon company in suspension. Who would be the first guy in here to to blast this FO if any/all those red flags continued? - Flugel
Looking forward to that....
You're the one that's all about the day 1 impact so I count Johnny Manziel + Justin Gilbert as unemployed while Cam Erving won't be starting at best. Thank God someone got a draft pick from Pittsburgh for Gilbert. Now imagine if we only evaluated Shelton for his rookie year like you want to do with last year's draft class - we'd have to prematurely conclude we whiffed (which isn't the case at all if we look at his soph year). See why allowing a second season of evaluation can matter in some cases? I'll be rooting for both Colemans, Higgins, DeValve, Ogbah and possibly even Kessler and others to build on their experience while you are apparently telling me you are looking forward to our 2016 draft class doing worse than our 2014 class? You've cornered yourself into great expectations here. Enjoy... - Flugel
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...most talked about?.....pretending otherwise? I thought you said he had an impressive preseason.....my mistake.....
I didn't realize we were trying out for the high school debate team. Training Camp and preseason are often used interchangeably but not on your watch especially if it's at the expense of the last regime. - Flugel
I remember Josh Lenz being everybodies boy from that camp and Pryor having a hamstring injury the entire time....but I might be wrong(dont think so)
A few guys liked Lens and were disappointed when he got cut while a lot more in here seemed disappointed at Pryor getting cut. Most of the buzz and aw I read about from our fans and on www.clevelandbrowns.com was about Pryor in the 2015 training camp. He did pull his hammy but that regime cut the upsides of Pryor and Lenz and kept a 12 million $ bum the coaching staff never had any intentions of playing. - Flugel
Washington wasnt more generous....thats the point....
So who looked like the epic dumbass when the entire league showed him zero interest beside the Redskins who were losing most of their WR Corps? So when Washington says we think so much of you we'll pay you less than Cleveland wants to - you and Pryor think that was a compliment? God bless ya! Again, we competed with nobody to re-sign him late in 2015. He then started for Hue as a WR in a career saving niche gaining comfort and momentum in 2016 until... After just 1 year, for less money, he said "Fuck Hue" and Sashi said "No, Fuck You!" Sashi looked like the one that went to Harvard in that one.- Flugel
And Im not sure anyone has said todays QB situation wasnt the fault of the 2014 staff......though I see you screaming to give this FO a waiver for year one, while you continue to batter ram Farmer for his year one....seems you're preaching the opposite of what you're implying....
Touche. You mean like you only screaming about Gabriel getting cut in 2016 after his volume of 1 TD reception in 2 years inclusive of his receptions dropping down to 28 for 8.6 ypc in 2015. His yardage also dropped from 579 in 2014 to 241 in 2015 showing a lack of progress under the previous regime's second OC? I see why he wanted to go back to the same Kyle Shanahan that your idol Ray Farmer chased out of here. Only the new version had a Julio Jones stealing all of the safety attention while having a franchise QB in an MVP season didn't hurt that. - Flugel
Besides.....Haslam picked Johnny.....we all know it....Pettine finally said it....so, to me, that is 99.9% fact.....
So, Ray Farmer clarifying he was all in on selecting Johnny tells me what about his integrity that that cell phone calls down to the sideline didn't already slam dunk? Oh wait, you excuse those kiddy games but nothing in 2016 would be tolerated under your watch. - Flugel
And...even with the complete bust 1st round.....and only 6 picks overall....we still have 2 all-pro level players from that limited draft....So, just to be on par with that, we should expect 4 comparable players from last years draft(just to be equal).....and 5 comparable players to be one pick better.....
Who was an All Pro? I missed both of them? Farmer had 4 first round picks and 2 of them are out of the NFL already while the other is Cam Erving. I thought you belly ached about needing more impact in round 1? That only pertains to 2016? Ooops, not so fast, today I read you're okay with playing Russian Roulette with #12 overall if it's a guy coming off shoulder surgery who also got kicked out of the combines and failed a drug test? Yeah, we could really use that 12th overall draft pick for the purpose of keeping Josh Gordon company in suspension. Who would be the first guy in here to to blast this FO if any/all those red flags continued? - Flugel
Looking forward to that....
You're the one that's all about the day 1 impact so I count Johnny Manziel + Justin Gilbert as unemployed while Cam Erving won't be starting at best. Thank God someone got a draft pick from Pittsburgh for Gilbert. Now imagine if we only evaluated Shelton for his rookie year like you want to do with last year's draft class - we'd have to prematurely conclude we whiffed (which isn't the case at all if we look at his soph year). See why allowing a second season of evaluation can matter in some cases? I'll be rooting for both Colemans, Higgins, DeValve, Ogbah and possibly even Kessler and others to build on their experience while you are apparently telling me you are looking forward to our 2016 draft class doing worse than our 2014 class? You've cornered yourself into great expectations here. Enjoy... - Flugel
...most talked about?.....pretending otherwise? I thought you said he had an impressive preseason.....my mistake.....
I didn't realize we were trying out for the high school debate team. Training Camp and preseason are often used interchangeably but not on your watch especially if it's at the expense of the last regime. - Flugel
We werent....I was implying that he didnt do anything in camp or preseason....simple....
I remember Josh Lenz being everybodies boy from that camp and Pryor having a hamstring injury the entire time....but I might be wrong(dont think so)
A few guys liked Lens and were disappointed when he got cut while a lot more in here seemed disappointed at Pryor getting cut. Most of the buzz and aw I read about from our fans and on www.clevelandbrowns.com was about Pryor in the 2015 training camp. He did pull his hammy but that regime cut the upsides of Pryor and Lenz and kept a 12 million $ bum the coaching staff never had any intentions of playing. - Flugel
Washington wasnt more generous....thats the point....
So who looked like the epic dumbass when the entire league showed him zero interest beside the Redskins who were losing most of their WR Corps? So when Washington says we think so much of you we'll pay you less than Cleveland wants to - you and Pryor think that was a compliment? God bless ya! Again, we competed with nobody to re-sign him late in 2015. He then started for Hue as a WR in a career saving niche gaining comfort and momentum in 2016 until... After just 1 year, for less money, he said "Fuck Hue" and Sashi said "No, Fuck You!" Sashi looked like the one that went to Harvard in that one.- Flugel
And Im not sure anyone has said todays QB situation wasnt the fault of the 2014 staff......though I see you screaming to give this FO a waiver for year one, while you continue to batter ram Farmer for his year one....seems you're preaching the opposite of what you're implying....
Touche. You mean like you only screaming about Gabriel getting cut in 2016 after his volume of 1 TD reception in 2 years inclusive of his receptions dropping down to 28 for 8.6 ypc in 2015. His yardage also dropped from 579 in 2014 to 241 in 2015 showing a lack of progress under the previous regime's second OC? I see why he wanted to go back to the same Kyle Shanahan that your idol Ray Farmer chased out of here. Only the new version had a Julio Jones stealing all of the safety attention while having a franchise QB in an MVP season didn't hurt that. - Flugel
Besides.....Haslam picked Johnny.....we all know it....Pettine finally said it....so, to me, that is 99.9% fact.....
So, Ray Farmer clarifying he was all in on selecting Johnny tells me what about his integrity that that cell phone calls down to the sideline didn't already slam dunk? Oh wait, you excuse those kiddy games but nothing in 2016 would be tolerated under your watch. - Flugel
And...even with the complete bust 1st round.....and only 6 picks overall....we still have 2 all-pro level players from that limited draft....So, just to be on par with that, we should expect 4 comparable players from last years draft(just to be equal).....and 5 comparable players to be one pick better.....
Who was an All Pro? I missed both of them? Farmer had 4 first round picks and 2 of them are out of the NFL already while the other is Cam Erving. I thought you belly ached about needing more impact in round 1? That only pertains to 2016? Ooops, not so fast, today I read you're okay with playing Russian Roulette with #12 overall if it's a guy coming off shoulder surgery who also got kicked out of the combines and failed a drug test? Yeah, we could really use that 12th overall draft pick for the purpose of keeping Josh Gordon company in suspension. Who would be the first guy in here to to blast this FO if any/all those red flags continued? - Flugel
Looking forward to that....
You're the one that's all about the day 1 impact so I count Johnny Manziel + Justin Gilbert as unemployed while Cam Erving won't be starting at best. Thank God someone got a draft pick from Pittsburgh for Gilbert. Now imagine if we only evaluated Shelton for his rookie year like you want to do with last year's draft class - we'd have to prematurely conclude we whiffed (which isn't the case at all if we look at his soph year). See why allowing a second season of evaluation can matter in some cases? I'll be rooting for both Colemans, Higgins, DeValve, Ogbah and possibly even Kessler and others to build on their experience while you are apparently telling me you are looking forward to our 2016 draft class doing worse than our 2014 class? You've cornered yourself into great expectations here. Enjoy... - Flugel
eh....not gonna go through this whole thing again.....evry single time you go on rant, its about Farmer.....someone says something bad about shashi, you go farmer......no one here misses farmer...... as if Im some type of Farmer nut or something...so why you always go there is silly....but his ills do not erase this FO's work....they're just there for comparison, which is what I did when I pointed to Bito, Crowell and Kirksey coming from that 6 player draft.....and if that rookie draft was SO TERRIBLE, then this past years rookie draft should be WAY better.....correct?
Let's go on record(for the hundreth time)....I advocated firing Farmer....not the whole staff....I advocated tinkering and change....not a melt down.....this staff is getting those benefits and tinkering......and they are being rated on what they do....no matter what the previous regime did........
And yes....Gabe is better than the receiver we kept in his place.....dont know why you cant admit that....its not hard, its the truth...
ray farmer ray farmer ray farmer....yer a nut
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Who is the only team that even gave Pryor a chance to play WR when he was unemployed? Cleveland. Now, who is the only HC thatstarted him at WR? Hue. When the rest of the NFL seemed disinterested, so exactly how much more money did Pryor sign for in Washington than he was offered here? - Flugel
I would like to know the answer to that question.
Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015, Pryor was cut right before the end of training camp. All 32 NFL teams left him unemployed for about 3 months until Cleveland re-signed him so late in the season that the coaching staff was too uncomfortable to start him. The next coaching staff started him in 2016.
Gips, the answer is in what you cut and pasted. But I'll provide some detail.
After a very impressive preseason here as a WR in 2015, Pryor was cut right before the end of training camp. All 32 NFL teams left him unemployed for about 3 months until Cleveland re-signed him so late in the season that the coaching staff was too uncomfortable to start him. The next coaching staff started him in 2016.
What I meant Fluges....is what was the monetary difference between what the Browns were offerering and what the Redskins gave him? I mean, was it a lot, or a miniscule amount. After all, I believe this situation all came down to money.
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