Pick the bust in the 2017 draft

The Gipper

@stinkhole said:

Wasn't Clowney also touted as a beast? The first pick of the draft. No team could go wrong picking Clowney?

Clowney at 6'5" and 270 and Garrett at 6'4", 272 have nearly the same physique...not that it proves anything.

Exactly. Clowney more touted. Now, it seems perhaps that he is finalyl rounding into a productive player, but he has certainly underachieved to this point. Yes, injury is a fact....but a lot of player end up classified as busts due to injury. They are still busts.

The Gipper

@suomi said:

Garrett won't be a bust. The guy was the #2 ranked recruit coming out of high school. He broke Jadaveon Clowney's NCAA freshman sack record. He was an All-American as a sophomore. He had a high ankle sprain his junior year that impacted his mobility and should have kept him off the field, but he made All-American again anyway. The guy is a stud and Browns fans should be painting the walls white over their excitement to draft him.

Bust of the first round: Mahomes (Ryan Leaf II)

My biggest concern about Garrett is that he earned much of his reputation by blowing away inferior competition. Like 75% of his sacks were against "mid-major" or D1-AA schools. When he had to go up against the talent of the SEC, he performed at a more mediocre level.

There won't be any Prairie Views in the NFL.

So, as great as everyone sees his potential, I am still skeptical for the above reason.

I am not guaranteeing he will be a bust (like Ghoolie is), like I said though, I am not slobbering over him like some of all y'all.

Given the Browns poor first round drafting history....I am skeptical of every one (yes, even MT..even though I may think he is our best chance of getting a franchise QB)

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Of all the ones mentioned so far, I get the strongest feeling on this one as well.

My new contribution.... Cam Robinson... at least at OT. He may have a shot at being a decent OG, but I don't see a chance at OT.

Honorable mention: Fournette. I watch him and I see (no offense, Ag) Derrick Henry... good burst and straight ahead speed and power, but no lateral movement.

I think I do agree with this.

gumby73

@the-gipper said:
I think I do agree with this.

It's the easy one that I agree with also.Almost any of them..OL men at next level have not seen the crazed Bobby Bu-shay right across from them..till now

DKAllDay

While we're on the record:

Kizer is going to be the best QB of this draft

Mahomes will bust

Mitch will be average/solid like Dalton

mjp28

I can't remember when I've heard such uncertainty from all the paid prognosticators about all of the potential top 3 or 4 round QB picks as in this year, almost makes everyone want to take a pass and go with best available unless you get some great deals from other teams to take a flyer on one.

Sad thing is there are plenty of QB needs out there. Can't wait for Thursday to see how were we all wrong! (Wish it was still Saturday/Sunday on ESPN.)

Wonder which QBs will break out in 2017-2018? Watch the BROWNS win a few too many games to grab one.

tiamat63

Oh, yeah. I should have tossed in Barnett with my Watson pick.

Might have the slowest step of any hyped first round Edge I've seen in a while.

hoorta

Mitch2Pryor said:

While we're on the record:

Kizer is going to be the best QB of this draft

Mahomes will bust

Mitch will be average/solid like Dalton

Nah, there's plenty not to like about Kizer. Mental aspect, check. But if that's all it took, Ryan Fitzpatrick would be having a HOF career. MHO is of the four Trubs, Mahomes, Kizer, Watson- he's a close second in bust potential behind Deshawn. You can fix mechanics (sometimes) but you can't fix accuracy.

Tour2ma

Mitch2Pryor said:
Mitch will be average/solid like Dalton

In that case you are in bad need of a screen-name update... unless WSH picks Trubs in a draft shocker.

@mjp28 said:
I can't remember when I've heard such uncertainty from all the paid prognosticators about all of the potential top 3 or 4 round QB picks as in this year...

I've come to the same conclusion based on my personal migration... Trubs to Watson to Kizer... never being anywhere close to all in on any one of them.

@tiamat63 said:
Oh, yeah. I should have tossed in Barnett with my Watson pick. Might have the slowest step of any hyped first round Edge I've seen in a while.

Not to mention his top end lacking...

cvcanedy

@wargograw said:
Howard.

Really? Curious to know why you say that, what you see.

DKAllDay

@tour2ma said:

In that case you are in bad need of a screen-name update... unless WSH picks Trubs in a draft shocker

I'm already in need of a screen name update seeing as Pryor left lol..

I'd be estatic if we end up with Mitch, I think he's going to be good. I don't know who on this board wouldn't want a guy on the level of Andy Dalton.

I just see greatness in Kizer.

wargograw

@cvcanedy said:
Really? Curious to know why you say that, what you see.

It's what I don't see. He disappeared a lot and that was in an offense that used the TE.

One Post

@tiamat63 said:

Oh, yeah. I should have tossed in Barnett with my Watson pick.

Might have the slowest step of any hyped first round Edge I've seen in a while.

I think we can let you slide in another pick.

LondonBrown

@tour2ma said:
Honorable mention: Fournette. I watch him and I see (no offense, Ag) Derrick Henry... good burst and straight ahead speed and power, but no lateral movement.

Agree with this

My pick is Deshaun Watson

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:

Honorable mention: Fournette. I watch him and I see (no offense, Ag) Derrick Henry... good burst and straight ahead speed and power, but no lateral movement.

Derek Henry......forgot all about him......so, what happened with him?

I see he had a very nice per carry avg of 4.5.....but only got 100 touches...and only 4 games with 10 or more???.....why?

When I look at his game log, it appears his touches match up well with wins and losses.....with more touches they win.....no touches they lose......maybe playing from behind means more passes??.....I dunno.....

Was he a back up?.....does his coach not like to run?......is there an ex Browns coach making the calls?......

TexasAg1969

@mudfly said:

Derek Henry......forgot all about him......so, what happened with him?

I see he had a very nice per carry avg of 4.5.....but only got 100 touches...and only 4 games with 10 or more???.....why?

When I look at his game log, it appears his touches match up well with wins and losses.....with more touches they win.....no touches they lose......maybe playing from behind means more passes??.....I dunno.....

Was he a back up?.....does his coach not like to run?......is there an ex Browns coach making the calls?......

Because they acquired DeMarco Murray as their primary RB and they don't have enough sense to run Henry for the tough yards inside the 10 and for short yardage 1st down. The Titans was the worst possible place to land since they don't utilize him at all.

I watched a lot of their games and the Titans OC is an idiot when it comes to what they could do with a running game. They can gas 'em with Murray's outside game and gouge them when they're gassed with Henry on the inside. But they just don't have sense enough to even try it.

Mudfly

@texasag1969 said:

Because they acquired DeMarco Murray as their primary RB and they don't have enough sense to run Henry for the tough yards inside the 10 and for short yardage 1st down. The Titans was the worst possible place to land since they don't utilize him at all.

Ahhhh.....Demarco Murray......forgot about him....

Yep....that answers my question....he was the back up.....

Maybe this will be his year to break out......

Tour2ma

@mudfly said:

Ahhhh.....Demarco Murray......forgot about him....

Yep....that answers my question....(Henry) was the back up..... Maybe this will be his year to break out......

Last I heard he was "skipping" TN's voluntary work-outs... did not sit too well with a couple teammates.

But I think you were onto a factor in your prior post... game situations. TN did not have a lot of leads to salt away, which is when you'd expect Henry to see more duty spelling Murray.

Ag, hear ya and trust ya, but goalline O is not as likely to pop Henry into a 2ndary, which is where he does most of his damage. And when there's no hole, I don't remember a lot of him plowing into the backs of his OL... more like stop-look-andgetwrappedup.

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:

Last I heard he was "skipping" TN's voluntary work-outs... did not sit too well with a couple teammates.

But I think you were onto a factor in your prior post... game situations. TN did not have a lot of leads to salt away, which is when you'd expect Henry to see more duty spelling Murray.

Ag, hear ya and trust ya, but goalline O is not as likely to pop Henry into a 2ndary, which is where he does most of his damage. And when there's no hole, I don't remember a lot of him plowing into the backs of his OL... more like stop-look-andgetwrappedup.

Right....his strength seemed to be that runaway train thing that seemed to happened when he saw day light.....the rest was pretty hohum....

Flugel

@tour2ma said:

Last I heard he was "skipping" TN's voluntary work-outs... did not sit too well with a couple teammates.

But I think you were onto a factor in your prior post... game situations. TN did not have a lot of leads to salt away, which is when you'd expect Henry to see more duty spelling Murray.

Ag, hear ya and trust ya, but goalline O is not as likely to pop Henry into a 2ndary, which is where he does most of his damage. And when there's no hole, I don't remember a lot of him plowing into the backs of his OL... more like stop-look-andgetwrappedup.

Good discussion here.

Here's a 5 minute video (below) that explains why Henry is missing the voluntary workouts in TN for anyone that is interested. I get the impression he'll have access to an ideal strength and conditioning program all the while.