Mock Draft Central... The Pro's
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I did answer it, it's never one person, which you first disagreed with and then you seemed to agree with. So I'm confused.
I guess we will have to disagree on how the organisation is run but one things for sure, neither of us really know
I did answer it, it's never one person, which you first disagreed with and then you seemed to agree with. So I'm confused.
I guess we will have to disagree on how the organisation is run but one things for sure, neither of us really know
Except I ask who the most trusted resource was...the "main influence".....
Or do you think every one in the whole dept is equal....and all data is treated the same?.....no matter who aor where it came from?
I think your avoiding a few obvious things that have to be true...
1) The Browns hired Depo to change how we look at talent and are relying on him to provide key information in PERSONNEL evaluations...
2) The Browns dont have an experienced "football guy" anywhere near the top of this decision process(It's Hue, btw)...
3) In the eventuality that all these people cant agree, SOMEONE is making the pick.....thats Shashi.....
And the 3 primary people evaluating all the data are Shashi(a lawyer with zero personnel experience)....Depo(a baseball guy)......and Hue(an Ok coach)....
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1) I disagree. I think that's Sashis job. Depo's job is the structure of all the evaluating staff and how it works.
2) The scouts are part of it especially Vega and so is Hue yes.
3) Someone has to physically call the pick in but it's never one person making the choice.
4) No, it is a combo of numbers, scout reports and what the coaches want as fits.
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1) I disagree. I think that's Sashis job. Depo's job is the structure of all the evaluating staff and how it works.
2) The scouts are part of it especially Vega and so is Hue yes.
3) Someone has to physically call the pick in but it's never one person making the choice.
4) No, it is a combo of numbers, scout reports and what the coaches want as fits.
1) I disagree. I think that's Sashis job. Depo's job is the structure of all the evaluating staff and how it works.
2) The scouts are part of it especially Vega and so is Hue yes.
3) Someone has to physically call the pick in but it's never one person making the choice.
4) No, it is a combo of numbers, scout reports and what the coaches want as fits.
What if they cant all agree.....who makes the pick then?
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1) I disagree. I think that's Sashis job. Depo's job is the structure of all the evaluating staff and how it works.
2) The scouts are part of it especially Vega and so is Hue yes.
3) Someone has to physically call the pick in but it's never one person making the choice.
4) No, it is a combo of numbers, scout reports and what the coaches want as fits.
What if they cant all agree.....who makes the pick then?
What if they cant all agree.....who makes the pick then?
In what top table of any business does everyone all agree from the start? Conversations are had, research is done and a consensus is reached. It's no different in a war room.
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In what top table of any business does everyone all agree from the start? Conversations are had, research is done and a consensus is reached. It's no different in a war room.
Nowhere....and thats my point....
I also have been top guy a several businesses for the last 25 years....and am, (seriously now) the GM(of all things) at a large production facility.....
I have a Sales Manager....production manager....receiving manager....parts manager.....and a service manager....and they all have another 40 some people working for them....and the data trickles up.....to me
By the time I get it, it has been trimmed by those managers, who may or may not chose what info to give me....and I have that to work with...
And we have many many discussions and meetings.....and disagreements.....and in the end, I have the option of making a decision or not.....I might allow them to decide....I might over rule their choices.....I may take a vote and go with the concensus.....
But, in every situation, what is very clear is that(like you said) people dont always agree....and groups rarely agree(whole heartedly).....and in those most common situations. someone WILL make the choice.....and this is how "most" of the business world operates....football or otherwise.....and there are very very very few companies that are legitimately run by consensus groups...
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I know what you're saying and in that case my guess is it's Sashi. I'm confident it's not Depo, I am worried it could be Haslam(s)...
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I know what you're saying and in that case my guess is it's Sashi. I'm confident it's not Depo, I am worried it could be Haslam(s)...
I know what you're saying and in that case my guess is it's Sashi. I'm confident it's not Depo, I am worried it could be Haslam(s)...
Great....I appreciate the understanding,,,,,and really am not trying to be a dick or argue......but lets go one more step...
Shashi isnt a football guy, but he is the point guy....so in a dilemma, he's going to his "managers" and asking them for their best opinions on certain players, trades, etc.....
Those "go to" guys are gonna be Berry(scouting guy).....Depo(analytic - strategy guy)....Hue (coach with needs)....
And, as much as we wish the 3 were equal, they are not......so Shashi is gonna have a right hand man....the One he relies on most.....and that guy is??.............Depo...
My guess?.....the 4(or more) meet and talk regularly....but in the bitter end.....when it's game time....Shashi and Depo huddle up and make the tough choices....Examples...critical choices not related to talent would exclude scouts(character, PR, etc)......Hue would and should have an agenda and his opinions will be a bit more biased(and not a scout and not watching the tape, so he can only offer minimal generalities anyway...he has no way to rate college players, cause hes coaching...not scouting)....so his imput is way less(more about need and not about who)....and Shashi doesnt watch tape either....he's not a scout OR a football guy.....
Which leaves one key guy.....and that guy is?......Depo...
So.....he is extremely influential....and I think can influence Shashi, because Shashi hired him to do just that.....and if Depo really wanted to, I think...YES....he could get Shashi to make any pick he deems to be "the one"....
And...in the end.....Shashi has the power and CAN make the pick....but he's dependent on these guys to get him there....with Depo leading the way....
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I know what you're saying and in that case my guess is it's Sashi. I'm confident it's not Depo, I am worried it could be Haslam(s)...
I know what you're saying and in that case my guess is it's Sashi. I'm confident it's not Depo, I am worried it could be Haslam(s)...
Who's primary scout for QBs is the homeless guy, "Jump up for Trubs!"
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Mud...
IT'S A CONSENSUS PROCESS!
You persist in trying to decide who's "the decider" in 50/50 cases... who wins if he's the "51" in a 51/49 split. And the answer is NO ONE.
That guy does not exist... thus he cannot be named.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Greg Cosell does his by what he feels are scheme fits and players he likes on tape
Cle - Garrett
SF - Fournette
Chi - Hooker
Jax - OJ Howard
Ten - Corey Davis
NYJ - Adams
LAC - Foster
Car - McCaffrey
Cin - Taco Charlton
Buf - Jon Allen
NO - Charles Harris
Cle - Barnett (odd choice after MG at #1 but thinks good fit for Greg Williams)
Ari - Sol Thomas
Phi - Mike Williams
Ind - Takk McKinley
Bal - Reddick
Was - Dalvin Cook
Ten - Lattimore
TB - N'joku
Den - Ramcyzk
Det - Tre White
Mia - Lamp
NYG - Bolles
Oak - Jarrad Davis
Hou - Cam Robinson
Sea - Malik McDowell
KC - Conley
Dal - Kevin King
GB - TJ Watt
Pit - Marlon Humphrey
Atl - Engram
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Barnett and Garrett could be interesting.
But what will we do for the rest of a team? This would mean that we would have used a #2 and #3 last year, and 2 #1s this year just on DEs.
OK, sure, I am all for having a Fearsome Foursome/Doomsday/Purple People Eater/Steel Curtain type defense on this team...but who is going to play the rest of the spots?
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Mud...
IT'S A CONSENSUS PROCESS!
You persist in trying to decide who's "the decider" in 50/50 cases... who wins if he's the "51" in a 51/49 split. And the answer is NO ONE.
That guy does not exist... thus he cannot be named.
Mud...
IT'S A CONSENSUS PROCESS!
You persist in trying to decide who's "the decider" in 50/50 cases... who wins if he's the "51" in a 51/49 split. And the answer is NO ONE.
That guy does not exist... thus he cannot be named.
Ha!...he exists.....So, today the Browns announced they have settled, with certainty, on the guy at #1.....and Hue then came out and said he is not privy to who that might be...
Interesting.....rings in my memory banks from the preseason when they were making cuts w/o Hue's knowledge....So, based upon his words today, he must not be part of that consensus....if they have decided and he doesnt know who....correct?
The group of 4 is now 3......Shashi, Berry and Depo......with Hue waiting and wondering like the rest of us, I guess....
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Mud...
IT'S A CONSENSUS PROCESS!
You persist in trying to decide who's "the decider" in 50/50 cases... who wins if he's the "51" in a 51/49 split. And the answer is NO ONE.
That guy does not exist... thus he cannot be named.
Ha!...he exists.....So, today the Browns announced they have settled, with certainty, on the guy at #1.....and Hue then came out and said he is not privy to who that might be...
Interesting.....rings in my memory banks from the preseason when they were making cuts w/o Hue's knowledge....So, based upon his words today, he must not be part of that consensus....if they have decided and he doesnt know who....correct?
The group of 4 is now 3......Shashi, Berry and Depo......with Hue waiting and wondering like the rest of us, I guess....
Ha!...he exists.....So, today the Browns announced they have settled, with certainty, on the guy at #1.....and Hue then came out and said he is not privy to who that might be...
Interesting.....rings in my memory banks from the preseason when they were making cuts w/o Hue's knowledge....So, based upon his words today, he must not be part of that consensus....if they have decided and he doesnt know who....correct?
The group of 4 is now 3......Shashi, Berry and Depo......with Hue waiting and wondering like the rest of us, I guess....
If we jump for the QB, it was only Haslem.
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Ha!...he exists.....So, today the Browns announced they have settled, with certainty, on the guy at #1.....and Hue then came out and said he is not privy to who that might be...
Interesting.....rings in my memory banks from the preseason when they were making cuts w/o Hue's knowledge....So, based upon his words today, he must not be part of that consensus....if they have decided and he doesnt know who....correct?
The group of 4 is now 3......Shashi, Berry and Depo......with Hue waiting and wondering like the rest of us, I guess....
If we jump for the QB, it was only Haslem.
If we jump for the QB, it was only Haslem.
And I think were jumping too......I know everyone thinks its "due diligence, etc".....but I think were jumping......
And....possibly(maybe?).....for ........Watson.........hahahahaha.....
I know.....save your energy..........Ive gone insane...
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Mayock coming up at 8pm eastern
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Hey Johnny...how many days till the NFL Draft??
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Mayock coming up at 8pm eastern
Mayock coming up at 8pm eastern
#1 Garrett
#5 Tribusky
I'd rather hang tight at #12, not long until we find out...
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Mud...
IT'S A CONSENSUS PROCESS!
You persist in trying to decide who's "the decider" in 50/50 cases... who wins if he's the "51" in a 51/49 split. And the answer is NO ONE.
That guy does not exist... thus he cannot be named.
... who wins if he's the "51" in a 51/49 split. And the answer is NO ONE.
That guy does not exist... thus he cannot be named.
Shashi said....today(on video)....that he and only 3 others already know who we are picking.....so 4 people.....and I know at least 2 of them are Dee and Jimmah......that leaves 2.....and one is Shashi.....so 1 more.....
Shashis words...."the club settled on its choice two weeks ago, and only three or four people in the world know who it will be....
Also....Mike Silver just reported that Hue doesnt even know yet.....soooooooo, less Dee, Jimmy and Shashi.....who's the other....Depo...?
How I wish there was a football guy or football talent evaluator in this apparent consensus group of 4.....
Isnt it strange for a group that relies on "consensus" to know something for 2 weeks, without the rest of the key players in the group not knowing?.....2 weeks?.....and Hue or Berry dont know?....consensus my eye..
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