Kyle Sloter is our QB target
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Not yet.
Nor ever.
No amount of making stuff up can justify the boner you have for a guy solely because he is white and from Ohio.
Nor ever.
No amount of making stuff up can justify the boner you have for a guy solely because he is white and from Ohio.
As well as your lack of insight, understanding and recognition of talent.
You see a white guy from Ohio, only because that is all what you want to see. You go out of your way to look for negativity.
I on the other hand, having no such prejudice, simply see the prospective talent.
And certainly so does just about everyone else.
He is routinely expected to go in the Top 6. It will be a major upset if he slips past that.
But, of course, I and everyone else that sees that is wrong while you are omniprescient.
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Nor ever.
No amount of making stuff up can justify the boner you have for a guy solely because he is white and from Ohio.
As well as your lack of insight, understanding and recognition of talent.
You see a white guy from Ohio, only because that is all what you want to see. You go out of your way to look for negativity.
I on the other hand, having no such prejudice, simply see the prospective talent.
And certainly so does just about everyone else.
He is routinely expected to go in the Top 6. It will be a major upset if he slips past that.
But, of course, I and everyone else that sees that is wrong while you are omniprescient.
As well as your lack of insight, understanding and recognition of talent.
You see a white guy from Ohio, only because that is all what you want to see. You go out of your way to look for negativity.
I on the other hand, having no such prejudice, simply see the prospective talent.
And certainly so does just about everyone else.
He is routinely expected to go in the Top 6. It will be a major upset if he slips past that.
But, of course, I and everyone else that sees that is wrong while you are omniprescient.
You don't "see" anything. You take whatever opinion ESPN gives you and then paste it here.
Everybody "sees" a question mark of a prospect with 13 starts and rank him as either the best or second best QB prospect in a year without any real legitimate #1 QB.
He's "expected" to go in the top 6 because QB's of the top 6 teams are Kessler, Hoyer, Glennon, Bortles, Mariota, and McCown. Two of the top 6 teams are starting Cleveland retreads while a third (Chicago) might have a former Cleveland backup take the job at some point this season. Only Mariota is a decent to above average starter. Even Bortles sucks (ouch).
There are three teams in the top 6 that may have worse QB situations than us. Think about that for a second - worse than the Cleveland Browns.....a team that is the punchline of every NFL joke.
Trubisky getting mocked as a top 6 QB is not any sort of indication of his talent, it's a testament to how bereft of QB talent the basement is in the NFL.
Trubisky is an okay prospect with okay arm talent and okay intelligence and okay intangibles and just enough athletic upside to make you wonder.
If he were from anywhere else in the country, you wouldn't give a shit. The fact that you even mentioned him in the same sentence as Andrew Luck is a neon sign pointing directly to your hard-on for him.
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As well as your lack of insight, understanding and recognition of talent.
You see a white guy from Ohio, only because that is all what you want to see. You go out of your way to look for negativity.
I on the other hand, having no such prejudice, simply see the prospective talent.
And certainly so does just about everyone else.
He is routinely expected to go in the Top 6. It will be a major upset if he slips past that.
But, of course, I and everyone else that sees that is wrong while you are omniprescient.
You don't "see" anything. You take whatever opinion ESPN gives you and then paste it here.
Everybody "sees" a question mark of a prospect with 13 starts and rank him as either the best or second best QB prospect in a year without any real legitimate #1 QB.
He's "expected" to go in the top 6 because QB's of the top 6 teams are Kessler, Hoyer, Glennon, Bortles, Mariota, and McCown. Two of the top 6 teams are starting Cleveland retreads while a third (Chicago) might have a former Cleveland backup take the job at some point this season. Only Mariota is a decent to above average starter. Even Bortles sucks (ouch).
There are three teams in the top 6 that may have worse QB situations than us. Think about that for a second - worse than the Cleveland Browns.....a team that is the punchline of every NFL joke.
Trubisky getting mocked as a top 6 QB is not any sort of indication of his talent, it's a testament to how bereft of QB talent the basement is in the NFL.
Trubisky is an okay prospect with okay arm talent and okay intelligence and okay intangibles and just enough athletic upside to make you wonder.
If he were from anywhere else in the country, you wouldn't give a shit. The fact that you even mentioned him in the same sentence as Andrew Luck is a neon sign pointing directly to your hard-on for him.
You don't "see" anything. You take whatever opinion ESPN gives you and then paste it here.
I see just as much as you do. When have YOU been paid to scout for NFL teams.
That is ALL that needs to be said about anything here.
Everybody "sees" a question mark of a prospect with 13 starts and rank him as either the best or second best QB prospect in a year without any real legitimate #1 QB.
He's "expected" to go in the top 6 because QB's of the top 6 teams are Kessler, Hoyer, Glennon, Bortles, Mariota, and McCown. Two of the top 6 teams are starting Cleveland retreads while a third (Chicago) might have a former Cleveland backup take the job at some point this season. Only Mariota is a decent to above average starter. Even Bortles sucks (ouch).
There are three teams in the top 6 that may have worse QB situations than us. Think about that for a second - worse than the Cleveland Browns.....a team that is the punchline of every NFL joke.
Trubisky getting mocked as a top 6 QB is not any sort of indication of his talent, it's a testament to how bereft of QB talent the basement is in the NFL.
Trubisky is an okay prospect with okay arm talent and okay intelligence and okay intangibles and just enough athletic upside to make you wonder.
Because that is the conclusion YOU came to by watching ESPN.
If he were from anywhere else in the country, you wouldn't give a shit. The fact that you even mentioned him in the same sentence as Andrew Luck is a neon sign pointing directly to your hard-on for him.
Except, I simply said that he, in some quarters, is said to be the best prospect to come out since Luck. And that is true.
But then...YOU ignore those opinions that disagree with you.
So...you can choose to discount all those opinions.
Where I will make the choice to discount your opinion.
And I will feel absolutely fine for doing so.
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Not yet.
Nor ever.
No amount of making stuff up can justify the boner you have for a guy solely because he is white and from Ohio.
No amount of making stuff up can justify the boner you have for a guy solely because he is white and from Ohio.
Feel like I need to step in and defend Gip here.
No way does he care what color Trubs is...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No amount of making stuff up can justify the boner you have for a guy solely because he is white and from Ohio.
Feel like I need to step in and defend Gip here.
No way does he care what color Trubs is...
Feel like I need to step in and defend Gip here.
No way does he care what color Trubs is...
Nor that he is from Ohio. As I said, if that was the only criteria, I would have been all over Cardale Jones...or Charlie Frye....from my alma mater. I could have played Woody and have cream in my jeans for guys from just where I went to college. But I don't.
Though....speaking of longshot choices from my alma mater, think about this guy:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jerome-lane?id=2558120
Of course, you all perhaps remember his Dad:
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HBack, linebacker, I can see that. He doesn't have NFL speed or explosion out of his cuts.
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I'm not sure which round we'd take him, but it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if the Browns drafted Josh Dobbs, QB from Tennessee. Been hearing/reading that the Browns were way more impressed with him than with Davis Webb at the Senior Bowl. Now, Dobbs isn't a guy who will likely play in 2017, and that might be ok since we have Kessler and Brock backing him up. If we don't trade up from 12 to 5 or 6 to grab Trubisky, and we can't complete the trade for Garopolo, I see the Browns drafting Dobbs somewhere in rounds 2 or 3. He's raw, but the guy is literally studying to be a rocket scientist, and his athleticism is something Hue Jackson covets. His accuracy is definitely iffy, but man...some of the throws he can make are awesome. He's smart, he's totally clean off the field, and you know he's going to work hard. When asked about the difficulty of learning an NFL playbook, he said it would be nothing compared to his courses he took in college. I tend to believe him. Dane Brugler has a 6th round draft grade on Dobbs, but there's no way he gets drafted there. There will be a team that falls in love with him and takes him earlier than people might think.
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He's from Ohio and is white
I have an issue with this. I get the local allure but in all fairness Bernie was too. The difference is Bernie started leaps and bounds more college games than 13. Bernie was also a national champion at Miami. These traits in my mind made him ready for the burden of being a local kid.
Even Roethlisberger started more than 13 college games. I'm not saying Trubisky can't or won't be good. I'm just saying it's harder to believe he'll be better than a quarterback that's a national champion and was a 3 year starter. Not to say it's impossible but it's less than probable.
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If the Browns wind up drafting Sloter... then this administration can pack it's bags now...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
He's from Ohio and is white
I have an issue with this. I get the local allure but in all fairness Bernie was too. The difference is Bernie started leaps and bounds more college games than 13. Bernie was also a national champion at Miami. These traits in my mind made him ready for the burden of being a local kid.
Even Roethlisberger started more than 13 college games. I'm not saying Trubisky can't or won't be good. I'm just saying it's harder to believe he'll be better than a quarterback that's a national champion and was a 3 year starter. Not to say it's impossible but it's less than probable.
I have an issue with this. I get the local allure but in all fairness Bernie was too. The difference is Bernie started leaps and bounds more college games than 13. Bernie was also a national champion at Miami. These traits in my mind made him ready for the burden of being a local kid.
Even Roethlisberger started more than 13 college games. I'm not saying Trubisky can't or won't be good. I'm just saying it's harder to believe he'll be better than a quarterback that's a national champion and was a 3 year starter. Not to say it's impossible but it's less than probable.
Well then, we should have drafted Steve Walsh, and Geno Torretta, and Eric Crouch, and Tommy Frazier, and etc. etc. (oh, and we did draft Ken Dorsey, no?)
And See this article. Only Cam Newton had any kind of pro career:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1299419-bcs-winning-qbs-since-2000-few-have-had-nfl-success
Aside from these, Winston looks like a keeper in the pros, but otherwise you have AJ McCarron, Cardale Jones, and Jake Coker.
As I noted in a thread a while back, only 2 QBs have ever won a national title in college, and an NFL Championship (including go way back before the Super Bowl: Joe Namath, Joe Montana. And since his name is not Joe...then Watson has no chance of winning a Super Bowl....fair to say?
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I have an issue with this. I get the local allure but in all fairness Bernie was too. The difference is Bernie started leaps and bounds more college games than 13. Bernie was also a national champion at Miami. These traits in my mind made him ready for the burden of being a local kid.
Even Roethlisberger started more than 13 college games. I'm not saying Trubisky can't or won't be good. I'm just saying it's harder to believe he'll be better than a quarterback that's a national champion and was a 3 year starter. Not to say it's impossible but it's less than probable.
Well then, we should have drafted Steve Walsh, and Geno Torretta, and Eric Crouch, and Tommy Frazier, and etc. etc. (oh, and we did draft Ken Dorsey, no?)
And See this article. Only Cam Newton had any kind of pro career:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1299419-bcs-winning-qbs-since-2000-few-have-had-nfl-success
Aside from these, Winston looks like a keeper in the pros, but otherwise you have AJ McCarron, Cardale Jones, and Jake Coker.
As I noted in a thread a while back, only 2 QBs have ever won a national title in college, and an NFL Championship (including go way back before the Super Bowl: Joe Namath, Joe Montana. And since his name is not Joe...then Watson has no chance of winning a Super Bowl....fair to say?
Well then, we should have drafted Steve Walsh, and Geno Torretta, and Eric Crouch, and Tommy Frazier, and etc. etc. (oh, and we did draft Ken Dorsey, no?)
And See this article. Only Cam Newton had any kind of pro career:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1299419-bcs-winning-qbs-since-2000-few-have-had-nfl-success
Aside from these, Winston looks like a keeper in the pros, but otherwise you have AJ McCarron, Cardale Jones, and Jake Coker.
As I noted in a thread a while back, only 2 QBs have ever won a national title in college, and an NFL Championship (including go way back before the Super Bowl: Joe Namath, Joe Montana. And since his name is not Joe...then Watson has no chance of winning a Super Bowl....fair to say?
Obviously it goes deeper than winning a national title. You also ignored the fact the he's started 13 college games. Funny you didn't touch the Bernie comparison either. Because in essence that is the relevant comparison. He'll immediately be cast into that deep shadow and expected to produce on a stage far bigger than 13 college starts can possibly prepare him for. But it's ok because he's a white guy and from Ohio? So I'm the illogical one....okey dokey
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Well then, we should have drafted Steve Walsh, and Geno Torretta, and Eric Crouch, and Tommy Frazier, and etc. etc. (oh, and we did draft Ken Dorsey, no?)
And See this article. Only Cam Newton had any kind of pro career:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1299419-bcs-winning-qbs-since-2000-few-have-had-nfl-success
Aside from these, Winston looks like a keeper in the pros, but otherwise you have AJ McCarron, Cardale Jones, and Jake Coker.
As I noted in a thread a while back, only 2 QBs have ever won a national title in college, and an NFL Championship (including go way back before the Super Bowl: Joe Namath, Joe Montana. And since his name is not Joe...then Watson has no chance of winning a Super Bowl....fair to say?
Obviously it goes deeper than winning a national title. You also ignored the fact the he's started 13 college games. Funny you didn't touch the Bernie comparison either. Because in essence that is the relevant comparison. He'll immediately be cast into that deep shadow and expected to produce on a stage far bigger than 13 college starts can possibly prepare him for. But it's ok because he's a white guy and from Ohio? So I'm the illogical one....okey dokey
Obviously it goes deeper than winning a national title. You also ignored the fact the he's started 13 college games. Funny you didn't touch the Bernie comparison either. Because in essence that is the relevant comparison. He'll immediately be cast into that deep shadow and expected to produce on a stage far bigger than 13 college starts can possibly prepare him for. But it's ok because he's a white guy and from Ohio? So I'm the illogical one....okey dokey
Both for me and Gip that Trubisky is white and from Ohio has nothing to do with it. Congrats for bringing up (again) the primary knock on Mitch. It's about the only one, other than some minor footwork issues.
Geeze, back in 2007 I was the #1 board hatah on Brady Quinn. Yeah- white guy from Ohio and Browns fan. So you can stuff that as the primary reason we like Trubisky.
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Obviously it goes deeper than winning a national title. You also ignored the fact the he's started 13 college games. Funny you didn't touch the Bernie comparison either. Because in essence that is the relevant comparison. He'll immediately be cast into that deep shadow and expected to produce on a stage far bigger than 13 college starts can possibly prepare him for. But it's ok because he's a white guy and from Ohio? So I'm the illogical one....okey dokey
Both for me and Gip that Trubisky is white and from Ohio has nothing to do with it. Congrats for bringing up (again) the primary knock on Mitch. It's about the only one, other than some minor footwork issues.
Geeze, back in 2007 I was the #1 board hatah on Brady Quinn. Yeah- white guy from Ohio and Browns fan. So you can stuff that as the primary reason we like Trubisky.
Both for me and Gip that Trubisky is white and from Ohio has nothing to do with it. Congrats for bringing up (again) the primary knock on Mitch. It's about the only one, other than some minor footwork issues.
Geeze, back in 2007 I was the #1 board hatah on Brady Quinn. Yeah- white guy from Ohio and Browns fan. So you can stuff that as the primary reason we like Trubisky.
No need to get all uppity. Just saying the race and Ohio connection don't strike me as a logical reasons to want a quarterback. Yeah he doesn't appear to have many knocks. Could it be because of a small sample size? Just throwing some possibilities out there.
Quite frankly Carson Wentz should be here and not Philadelphia thus making this Trubisky thing irrelevant. But I digress. From what I've seen of Trubisky, he might turn out to be really good. If the Browns pick him, I'm a fan of his automatically win, lose, or draw.
He wouldn't be my first choice. Then again, it's not my decision to make is it?
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Thanks for a "football" answer to a football question Ghoolie. That's all I was really asking for.
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If the Browns wind up drafting Sloter... then this administration can pack it's bags now...
If the Browns wind up drafting Sloter... then this administration can pack it's bags now...
at a late round pick? Why would that be? What damage does it do to draft a qb that
has skills for the NFL, to be drafted in the sixth round, with multiple picks in that round?
I'd love to give that kid a chance.
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@ghoolie said:
. He is far superior to slow witted, dim bulb Andrew Bad Luck.
Andrew Luck....slow witted dim bulb??....(Stanford Grad, photographic memory, called his own plays in college, super high wonderlik)
He may look like a caveman, but that is a hilarious comment coming from a Trubisky guy....(Non Graduate, cant remember the question, never called a play and average wonderlik)....
Lucks big toe is smarter.....
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So when limp biscuit gets pummeled in the pros because you think he can handle it from day one I will laugh. If you say we should pick him because of his raw potential talent that he will be good once properly couched. I will laugh at you. If you neglect the browns are like a block of Swiss cheese and getting a rookie QB this will fix shit. I will laugh at you.
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are you talking about sloter?
He won't start for a few years, won't play his first year.... He won't be that skinny in another year.
Could easily be on the practice squad the first year.
I think he could develop into a player, that's all.
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I posted in wrong thread. Talking about Mitchell and
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If the Browns wind up drafting Sloter... then this administration can pack it's bags now...
I see the complete opposite. First of all he's 6th round to UDFA. Zero downside and if he is even a good backup it's a coup. Starter makes the staff geniuses.If the Browns wind up drafting Sloter... then this administration can pack it's bags now...
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