Now THIS is how you draft!

[Pumpkin Eater]

Steelers draft OSU players, win games. Browns draft shitigan players, perennial losers

[jiggins7919]

My only problem was trading back from 12 to 25. That was just too far, and I think it really cost us. Malik Hooker was on the board, and I REALLY didn't expect that...like...at all. If we came away with Garrett, Hooker, and Djoku, I'd be calling this the best potential first round in my life. How bad was our back end on defense? A ball-hawking safety was available at a premier college, and we traded DOWN...AGAIN? Sure, I love getting the 2018 first round pick, but at some point you can't keep investing in future rounds, and you have to select the higher rated talent. What makes it worse is that Peppers isn't tethered to a safety, thus, making his transition to the NFL THAT much more difficult. He doesn't even have his craft down in the college level, how the hell is he supposed to transfer his abilities over to the grown-ass NFL? I just don't see it. I'm not saying it CAN'T happen, but I definitely don't see it happening quickly, that's for sure. The somewhat silver lining is that Peppers is a pronounced special teams player, and he can return punts and probably kicks. Something we definitely struggled with last year (if we weren't the worst return team, we had to be close, right?)

The biggest reason for optimism regarding Peppers is he appears to be an emotional type guy who is passionate about football. Combine that with the fact we now have a creative defensive coordinator in Gregg Williams, and Peppers probably went to one of the best fits. Gregg Williams has a reputation for "figuring out how to use players", and let's hope that remains true with our rookies.

With our two first round picks, I wanted two starters. We came away with three players on day 1, but I'm not sure we came away with two immediate starters. Obviously Myles Garrett will start, but will Peppers? I seriously doubt it, at least not right away. I want to be wrong...maybe I am. Djoku has more athletic gifts than one human deserves, but he's absurdly raw at the TE position, and somewhat fits into the same category as Peppers. If he hasn't mastered the technical aspects of his position, how can he be expected to contribute right away? Again, I hope I'm wrong. Much of both Peppers' and Djoku's ability to see a substantial amount of playing time will come down to their aptitude and ability to stay healthy.

I like it, but I certainly don't love it.

[Kvoethe]

Wow, the nay sayers crack me up.

I like the picks so far!! The browns are putting together a team first and then will plug in a Qb to finish it next year.

Why draft a Qb and have him get destroyed or end up gun shy this upcoming season?

Peppers is going to be the next polomalu and totally rejuvenate the defense.

I have no problems with what they have done and until the season starts not a single one of you can predict what is going to happen. Let it play out and then reserve judgement.

Go Browns!!!!

Oh and Fuck Off Ghoolie!!

[Canton Mike]

@kvoethe said:

Wow, the nay sayers crack me up.

I like the picks so far!! The browns are putting together a team first and then will plug in a Qb to finish it next year.

Why draft a Qb and have him get destroyed or end up gun shy this upcoming season?

Peppers is going to be the next polomalu and totally rejuvenate the defense.

I have no problems with what they have done and until the season starts not a single one of you can predict what is going to happen. Let it play out and then reserve judgement.

Go Browns!!!!

Oh and Fuck Off Ghoolie!!

I agree.

We all knew, before this draft, that we weren't going to get all we wanted, but it appears we got 3 players who will be significant contributors this upcoming season and another 1st rounder next year. I chose to look at what we GOT & I like it too. We are building assets without mortgaging our future. That's a good thing.

Mike

[jcam222]

@nickers said:

Shit draft

You need to reboot Nickers. They had a great draft. After the trade down I was unsure but the haul is solid. To sweeten it they stole the Steelers pick. They wanted Mahomes last night but KC stole him.

[Taco918]

We had three picks in the first round yet "we can't keep trading down for future assests because we have to spend them some time".

Are some of you dumb dumbs still drunk?

[darren15]

@kvoethe said:

Wow, the nay sayers crack me up.

I like the picks so far!! The browns are putting together a team first and then will plug in a Qb to finish it next year.

Why draft a Qb and have him get destroyed or end up gun shy this upcoming season?

Peppers is going to be the next polomalu and totally rejuvenate the defense.

I have no problems with what they have done and until the season starts not a single one of you can predict what is going to happen. Let it play out and then reserve judgement.

Go Browns!!!!

Oh and Fuck Off Ghoolie!!

Ghoolie will be back later if he can put his toy down long enough

[jcam222]

@hoorta said:

I reluctantly like Garrett, just watch Mitch go on to be an all-pro. At least me and Gip can drown our sorrows at Maya at Stan's expense for getting the bet right. (It was top 10)

Hope Peppers isn't the Jack of all trades and master of none. Njoku may be an OK pick we'll see. He got a lot of run pre draft.

if Peppers pans out as a safety it's a great draft. If not and only special teams I'll rate it a good draft.

[jcam222]

@sd_tom said:

Why the fuck are the Browns in love with Shittagain players? Won't draft from THE Ohio State University... But they'll draft fron ttut every fucking draft.

Which school produces bigger stars? It's not even close. Brady is the anomaly

I'm as big a Bucks homer as any but really who gives a shit where they played college ball? I don't care if they played at Shitstain U , just ball out for the Browns. Specific to your likely topic I think plent of teams had concerns with Hookers injuries.

[TexasAg1969]

Funniest comment this morning in describing the Bears being snookered by a rookie gm, "We're the Browns now!"

[Tour2ma]

@hoorta said:

I wasn't comparing Dr. Peppers to Lewis- I want to see studly production out of him though. He won't be any problem off the field, and if he fails it won't be from lack of effort. It will be up to Williams to figure out how to use him- he's a guy without a set position, you ought to know that's the big knock against him. I wasn't keen on him- and not just because he went to Michigan either.

Regarding Peppers- well, here's what we potentially gave up to land him. That LOW first round pick we got from the Texans (and Jabril) had better turn out better than the following: Malik Hooker, Jonathan Allen, Adoree Jackson, OJ Howard, and yeah Gareon Conley- if we were daring. We traded up for Njoku with Foster still available too. Seems we went the high character route so far.

First, sorry I went off... late... tired... maybe a tad drunk... But even sober and only a lil hung over, when I read "so&so better be SO&SO," I read that as a direct comparison... that aside.

As for who we passed over:

• almost certainly Allen was a medical DQ;
• no one championed him more here than me, but ditto in part for Foster, who in addition has two more strikes;
• opinions varied on Hooker as an overall player and his fall showed that;
• OJH... great prospect, but would I trade a low 2018 first to move up 13 spots to get him? No... and we got a consolation prize I am warming to... The price of that "prize"... not crazy about it, but for once we did spend some draft capital.
• Jackson... good prospect, but this draft is lousy with good 2ndary prospects.
• and Conley... big dice roll there... one other teams are better positioned to make. As you said... character standards...

[Tour2ma]

@texasag1969 said:

Funniest comment this morning in describing the Bears being snookered by a rookie gm, "We're the Browns now!"

ESPN ran a shit load of video tweets of fan reactions to the trade and selection... CHI-town ain't in a great mood this AM...

[Canton Mike]

New Chicago GM, courtesy of the "old" Jimmy!!!

Mike

[The Gipper]

@tour2ma said:

Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...

Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.

While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?

Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.

But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.

Njoku WAS rated on many boards higher than where we actually took him. So, from that standpoint, it seems a good pick.

[The Gipper]

@marcus said:

I don't think there was much that could've been done about Trubisky outside of Dafting him first. To me it looked like Da Bears threw a monkey wrench in our whole Trubisky program. Good with the Garrett pick. Ehh...we'll see on the other two. Kind of luke warm on the whole draft so far. Looked like too much work for two players that may have been there in the second. Again we'll see.

Agree. Bears made a costly move to go up one spot to take MT because they were afraid the Browns were going to be bold and make a deal with the 49ers. Understandable.

Browns probably felt that they could move up to #5 and get him. I don't know if they ever thought that the Bears would pick him.

[The Gipper]

@westside-steve said:

He compared Foster to Ray Lewis. If peppers can play we're in good shape. Set the territorial loyalty a side. He probably fell that far because he likes his weed.

I wanted Hooker and Elflien. I think we need our own true centre.

Hard to get worked up about players taken in the fourth or lower.

WSS

Elflein theoretically still in play. Not sure though why the Browns would go OC now, with Tretter, Martin, Fabiano all still on roster.

[The Gipper]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Correctamundo. These pussies will never draft an elite offensive playmaker, they are too scared. It will always be trade downs waiting for next year.

Njoku has potential to be an elite offensive playmaker. They drafted him.

[MLD Woody]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Steelers draft OSU players, win games. Browns draft shitigan players, perennial losers

Name a Michigan player we've drafted outside of Braylon

[The Gipper]

@boo-fagley said:

Good draft

I just dont get where the Browns are going QB wise with a Ben, Dalton and Flacco in the division. Cleveland still has the worst QB right now unless Orsewieller really turns it around.

Of those 4 QBs....only two of them took their teams to the playoffs last year....and guess which ones? Hint: remove Flacco and Dalton from your choices.

So...maybe the Browns could be OK.

You never know.

[The Gipper]

@canton-mike said:

I agree.

We all knew, before this draft, that we weren't going to get all we wanted, but it appears we got 3 players who will be significant contributors this upcoming season and another 1st rounder next year. I chose to look at what we GOT & I like it too. We are building assets without mortgaging our future. That's a good thing.

Mike

Well, we knew we wanted an edge rusher, and a couple of safeties, and a CB, and a TE, and a QB, and a DT and an OLB.

So, we got 3 of those spots in round one...with 2 second rounders to go. I do not think...or hope that a QB is in the cards in round 2. (none worth a second rounder IMO).

So, CB/DT/OLB get 2 out of those 3......and, as Meatloaf said...that ain't bad.