3 rounds down...5 in the tank....lets review....
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Not a take I feel compelled to.. or even capable of... arguing you off of... a/k/a a pretty wide ledge... maybe with a safety belt on to boot.
The only comment I will make is that Gregg must see more potential in our Defensive roster than was brought out by Horton last season. I think you'll agree that is not a very big stretch.
Gregg has Defensive player "input" written in his contract. I'm sure he's used it. Not saying he wouldn't rather have had Foster or Allen or whomever at 12, or 24, but not enough to put his "want" above a team decision.
Just make sure that Safety Belt is attached to something...
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Not a take I feel compelled to.. or even capable of... arguing you off of... a/k/a a pretty wide ledge... maybe with a safety belt on to boot.
The only comment I will make is that Gregg must see more potential in our Defensive roster than was brought out by Horton last season. I think you'll agree that is not a very big stretch.
Gregg has Defensive player "input" written in his contract. I'm sure he's used it. Not saying he wouldn't rather have had Foster or Allen or whomever at 12, or 24, but not enough to put his "want" above a team decision.
Just make sure that Safety Belt is attached to something...
Not a take I feel compelled to.. or even capable of... arguing you off of... a/k/a a pretty wide ledge... maybe with a safety belt on to boot.
The only comment I will make is that Gregg must see more potential in our Defensive roster than was brought out by Horton last season. I think you'll agree that is not a very big stretch.
Gregg has Defensive player "input" written in his contract. I'm sure he's used it. Not saying he wouldn't rather have had Foster or Allen or whomever at 12, or 24, but not enough to put his "want" above a team decision.
Just make sure that Safety Belt is attached to something...
Im not on the ledge or jumping.....and I guess folks will think Im bashing this draft.....but, Im really not....
Simply put....not the draft I woulda conducted....and, while I dont agree with the picks, I do see picks that will help this team.....So, Im ok with the first 3...but nowhere near excited....
K?
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... and for the record I am coming from the same place, but in the opposite direction... if that's possible.
No full-blown defense of our draft here... just a growing acceptance.
I think our common thread is we were invested in an assessment of and prospects for our D. Add that we both became invested, even heavily invested, in realistic prospects to fill the needs we saw.
Going to take some time to get past that...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
... and for the record I am coming from the same place, but in the opposite direction... if that's possible.
No full-blown defense of our draft here... just a growing acceptance.
I think our common thread is we were invested in an assessment of and prospects for our D. Add that we both became invested, even heavily invested, in realistic prospects to fill the needs we saw.
Going to take some time to get past that...
... and for the record I am coming from the same place, but in the opposite direction... if that's possible.
No full-blown defense of our draft here... just a growing acceptance.
I think our common thread is we were invested in an assessment of and prospects for our D. Add that we both became invested, even heavily invested, in realistic prospects to fill the needs we saw.
Going to take some time to get past that...
Im trying harder to like things this year than I did last.....we both know we are disappointed.....Im just quicker to say it....
But...Im certainly not feeling rage.....or anything close.....
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How about that goulie
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Not a totally accurate statement. Sashi's trade down last year became Coleman and a first. That "Extra" first this year became "Peppers" and another "Extra" first round pick next year. That single trade down has now put us in a position to have 3 first round picks the next draft, and that my friend is HUGE!
Corey Coleman, Jabrill Peppers and another first round pick next year for the trade down last year. Add on owning both the Texans first and second round selections next draft and we are dominating the draft. All eyes are on us now. This is the time the true fans, the fans that have been through the turmoil need to raise up and dig deep to show the NFL why we are the best fans in the sport, bar none.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Not a totally accurate statement. Sashi's trade down last year became Coleman and a first. That "Extra" first this year became "Peppers" and another "Extra" first round pick next year. That single trade down has now put us in a position to have 3 first round picks the next draft, and that my friend is HUGE!
Corey Coleman, Jabrill Peppers and another first round pick next year for the trade down last year. Add on owning both the Texans first and second round selections next draft and we are dominating the draft. All eyes are on us now. This is the time the true fans, the fans that have been through the turmoil need to raise up and dig deep to show the NFL why we are the best fans in the sport, bar none.
Not a totally accurate statement. Sashi's trade down last year became Coleman and a first. That "Extra" first this year became "Peppers" and another "Extra" first round pick next year. That single trade down has now put us in a position to have 3 first round picks the next draft, and that my friend is HUGE!
More like... HUGE!
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Not a totally accurate statement. Sashi's trade down last year became Coleman and a first. That "Extra" first this year became "Peppers" and another "Extra" first round pick next year. That single trade down has now put us in a position to have 3 first round picks the next draft, and that my friend is HUGE!
Corey Coleman, Jabrill Peppers and another first round pick next year for the trade down last year. Add on owning both the Texans first and second round selections next draft and we are dominating the draft. All eyes are on us now. This is the time the true fans, the fans that have been through the turmoil need to raise up and dig deep to show the NFL why we are the best fans in the sport, bar none.
Not a totally accurate statement. Sashi's trade down last year became Coleman and a first. That "Extra" first this year became "Peppers" and another "Extra" first round pick next year. That single trade down has now put us in a position to have 3 first round picks the next draft, and that my friend is HUGE!
Corey Coleman, Gerbil Peppers and another first round pick next year for the trade down last year. Add on owning both the Texans first and second round selections next draft and we are dominating the draft. All eyes are on us now. This is the time the true fans, the fans that have been through the turmoil need to raise up and dig deep to show the NFL why we are the best fans in the sport, bar none.
While I understand that and used to subscribe to it....Ive concluded that we need GOOD players.....and we keep passing up greatness for a collection of average to shit.....
Yes...we got coleman and futures....and still need a WR dont we?......I would rather had had Wentz, Bosa, Elliot.....cause winners need elite players and we keep trading out of that opportunity....and we have tons of options to pick guys like Peppers and Coleman....while we rarely get the opportunity to pick great ones.....at least they had enough sense to tap Myles
I remember how the Indians used to always trade one great one for 5 minor league players, then tell us how great they'd be,,,,,
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Agree on most Mud. I don't like Peppers as much as you B-/C+
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@ghoolie said:
Mud, you DID bash this draft. Maybe not as colorfully as I do, but you essentially regurgitated most of what I have said. The paramount point is that you recognize the Browns again blew opportunities to acquire top players. Nobody they drafted, save Kizer has an upside that will change the Browns fortunes in 2017.
While you may "love" the Garrett pick, remember that Hue "loved" RG3. Garrett won't add wins to the Browns team once way or another. I will guarantee you that he will not be the outstanding DE of this draft. the Alabama T manhandled im and shut him down completely. That, and not his performances against weak teams should have been his benchmark. Garrett will make a few plays next year, but between the tougher OL in the NFL, his lack of a bull rush, and clever defenses designed to neutralize and avoid him, on most plays he will be running sprints that end 4 feet behind the QB, or in desperation watching a running back long gone into the Browns secondary.
Kizer, as you noted, won't amount to anything. Inaccurate, jumpy, erratic QBs don't become winners. The Browns bet on a very long shot. For sure the guy is athletic, but all NFL players, save offensive linemen are athletic. Kizer is a stretch, BUT.......a 1,000 times better choice than Watson. However, they are both cut from the same mold, and on opening day, will both be shitting their pants.
You are absolutely wrong about Trubisky. The Bears are a far better franchise than the Browns, both historically and in the shorter historical view since 1999.
It is almost infallible to a man on this board. You guys just do not believe that a team needs a QB. You feel about QBs the way I do about fatass offensive linemen. Every year, over and over with fans like you, it is the same deal...."I didn't see a QB worthy of a first round pick". So too it was with Big Ben. Rich and I got blasted for wanting Roethlisberger. But you geniuses knew better....."He played in a small college", maybe in the third round he would be worth a gamble" It never ends with you people.
You cannot have a winning franchise without a winning QB. No team has ever had a winning run based on defense. All the great teams had great QBs. It eludes you people. Always next year, always....we just don't have the right guy.....always, "he doesn't fit our system". 0 - 19. Each and every year, Browns fans here think our FO has stuck it to the rest of the FOs. Every year you come in here all cocky, believing that you are a part of the NFL elite brain trust; just waiting for your net team to burst into the W column, giving you that ever so elusive once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to shout to the world.....I TOLD YOU SO.....LOOK AT US.....
But is's a fantasy dude. This was not a good draft. "The media is giving us an A or B+ Ghoolie, what do YOU know?". I know that not you, not anyone here, not anyone in the media has been more accurate than me. Perfect? Of course not, but if you want to point out my occasional
misfire, then compare the complete misfire picture, not just mine. I have a far higher football accuracy than anyone. It is why I am read more than anyone here. It is why Texas AG reads my posts, and THEN announces he is glad he ignores my posts and doesn't have to read what he just read three time.
So, 2017 is going to be a great football year for me, not so much for you, and fans like you. Trubisky will sour this giddy draft week behavior and you all will live the sour reality of my wisdom yet again. Without a QB, RB, WRs and a great TE, the rest of the shit doesn't get you much, maybe 2 more wins.
So dude, go ahead, do the annual dance around the campfire. Celebrate how great the Browns drafted and how we are FINALLY on the right track. Then remember this post, and when the draft approaches next year? Remember that Ghollie is the only one who predicted accurately the headlines you will read in 2018.
"What must the Browns new team do do have a good draft?"
"Will the Browns continue to fail in the draft?"
"Browns struggle to end 18 year long draft curse?"
Just remember this. The overwhelming majority of posters here have given high marks, each and every year to the Browns draft. Each year, you guys fabricate shit about why taking the lesser players is actually going to deliver big dividends. Each year you make fun of the teams who draft the maquee players and praise not having to pay so much money.
Not once, dude, not once, has the analysis and the annual draft week euphoria here ever panned out. Not once. Not once has the Browns draft delivered a single impact player that contributed to a winning team. So...let's say I am wrong about this year's draft ( which I am not", I STILL am far more accurate than anyone here, You guys will have been correct once since 1999. I will have been wrong once since 1999.
This draft was an abomination. Worst I have ever seen.
You love to talk about how right you are on everything, but you really arent. You said last year about how bad a draft Cleveland had by drafting Coleman, you very well could end up being right, but he had more of an impact than your pick Paxton Lynch. Speaking of Paxton, since you want to say last years draft and this years draft was so bad, then that means Lynch is already a bust right? The fact is players progress at different levels and speeds. Going off of your crazy time clock on evaluating if a player is going to be good or not, Aaron Rodgers sucks, he didn't play for a few seasons.
And I have no clue who you are, or what you look like, doesn't really matter. But I will GUARANTEE that these "fatass" lineman you like to talk about are 100 times more athletic than you.
I read your posts and I get a good laugh, and sure sometimes you may have been right, hell I wouldn't make a prediction on how someone is going to do so I will give you credit, but you really need to stop with this stupid I know more about football or football accuracy stuff. I would love to see your football knowledge, draw up some plays, explain the proper progressions and what the correct reads should be based on the opposition, and when the offense/defense adjusts to it, how you can adjust it to still make the play effective.
You can be Ghoolie the all knowing on here and make yourself feel better. But all that gets you is self admiration and everyone seeing you as the ultimate monday morning quarterback. I will see if I can get you an application for the Raiders to become a scout and talent evaluator. It will suck for Derek Carr though, since he will lose his job to the future HOF before he takes a snap Mitch Trubisky
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Hey Gunz.....the best thing to do in these situations is NOT take the bait.....it really isnt that hard and has a way of keeping the thread on track....
Since I am the supreme ruler on this thread, I declare it will close the instant the ghoolie plague takes over and turns it to shit....
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Well, shit, let's get the only remaining great player in the draft then - Zane Gonzales, K, Arizona State University. Set six national kicking records.
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HUGE hands in gina.
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Hey Gunz.....the best thing to do in these situations is NOT take the bait.....it really isnt that hard and has a way of keeping the thread on track....
Since I am the supreme ruler on this thread, I declare it will close the instant the ghoolie plague takes over and turns it to shit....
Hey Gunz.....the best thing to do in these situations is NOT take the bait.....it really isnt that hard and has a way of keeping the thread on track....
Since I am the supreme ruler on this thread, I declare it will close the instant the ghoolie plague takes over and turns it to shit....
He won't respond. Every time I have replied to him posts like this and showed him some truth, he hasn't responded. I would LOVE to see him try to take my challenge. I want to see his play designs set up specifically for Paxton Lynch and Mitch Trubisky
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