Around the AFCN's Drafts...
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@boo-fagley said:
Ryan Fitzpatrick who is mediocre at best scored a 50 om the wonderlic test. Perfect score.
Actually Fitz hit 45, IIRC, highest of any QB ever. The only perfect score was by a kicker... name escape me ATM...
Nice post. Can't argue with any of that.
I'll try to be more subjective next time... maybe throw in a "fuck the stoolers" for good measure.
Don't want you leaving Brownsville disappointed...
Actually Fitz hit 45, IIRC, highest of any QB ever. The only perfect score was by a kicker... name escape me ATM...
I'll try to be more subjective next time... maybe throw in a "fuck the stoolers" for good measure.
Don't want you leaving Brownsville disappointed...
Wasn't the perfect score Pat McInally? I think I heard that awhile back when he was on the NFL Channel.
Mike
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@boo-fagley said:
Ryan Fitzpatrick who is mediocre at best scored a 50 om the wonderlic test. Perfect score.
Actually Fitz hit 45, IIRC, highest of any QB ever. The only perfect score was by a kicker... name escape me ATM...
Nice post. Can't argue with any of that.
I'll try to be more subjective next time... maybe throw in a "fuck the stoolers" for good measure.
Don't want you leaving Brownsville disappointed...
I'll try to be more subjective next time... maybe throw in a "fuck the stoolers" for good measure.
Don't want you leaving Brownsville disappointed...
Lol..I always laugh when I hear a "Browns" fan say "Stooler"
Stick with "Squeelers".
Also stay away from "Shittsburg"...
Use "Pittspuke" instead.
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Baltimore killed it imo.
Definitely think the Ravens won the draft among these three AFCNers.
Bit of a reach on Humphreys, but he promises to be a good one. All should know I love Bowser... I think the comment on him is spot on. Wormley and Siragusa are solid adds.
Williamson is the wildcard here. I'm not surprised he fell so far. Of all the BAMA defenders he always struck me as the one who benefited the most from all the talent around him... we'll see.
Last two picks are as advertised... depth, but then thats' what the late rounds are for...
Cinci? McShay picked them as his "I don't get/like it" draft. Started with Ross so early given he has injury question... I'll add receiving questions to that. Fast? Yes, but he's a small body-catcher and those don't tend to go together well.
Beyond Ross... Mixon is a talent. Malone and Glasgow are solid adds. The UH RB may surprise. But otherwise? I'm not feeling threatened by this Bengal draft, but I know someone that should be... their new kicker, Elliot. Man, that's a small person to put on a kick cover team...
And then there's PTG... JuJu adds to a position of strength... but he's no Anquan. Just like Watt is no Harrison and Conner is no Harris. Throw in a couple meh LBs, DBs and Dobbs and what have you got? Seriously, I'm asking. But like us apparently they've sewn up their LS slot.
And then there's PTG... JuJu adds to a position of strength... but he's no Anquan. Just like Watt is no Harrison and Conner is no Harris.
Agree Conner is no Franco Harris, Harris avoided getting hit. Connor is more a Jerome Bettis type. Can pound and batter an opponent, but is better than Bettis in being elusive.
His yards gained after initial hit is tremendous! Love this pick!
Holy fuck gotta see this...
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@boo-fagley said:
I dont like the Steelers but they know how to draft WRs and LBs.
JuJu will be a beast. Just watch.Though, what are the odds that TJ Watt has the impact that JJ has had? Id say very slim and that TJ went that high because of pedigree.
TJ went that high because of athleticism and technique. He's only played defense for one season, non-stop motor and he's a great athlete.
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@boo-fagley said:
Ryan Fitzpatrick who is mediocre at best scored a 50 om the wonderlic test. Perfect score.
Donovan McNabb scored a 14.
There is zero correlation between a Wonderlic score and play on the field.
According to WIKI...
A 2005 study by McDonald Mirabile found that there is no significant correlation between a quarterback's Wonderlic score and a quarterback's passer rating, and no significant correlation between a quarterback's Wonderlic score and a quarterback's salary.[46] Similarly, a 2009 study by Brian D. Lyons, Brian J. Hoffman, and John W. Michel found that Wonderlic scores failed to positively and significantly predict future NFL performance for any position.[47] Donovan McNabb, whose 14 score[48] was the lowest of the five quarterbacks taken in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft, had the longest and most successful career.
For grins,,,
Dobbs scored a 29. Average score for a QB is 24.
Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.
Brad Kaaya, Miami 34
Nate Peterman, Pittsburgh (former Tennessee) 32
Trevor Knight, Texas A&M 30
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 29
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 28
CJ Beathard, Iowa 26
Mitchell Trubisky, UNC 25
Davis Webb, Cal 25
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech 24
Chad Kelly, Ole Miss 22
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 21
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 20
Donovan McNabb scored a 14.
There is zero correlation between a Wonderlic score and play on the field.
According to WIKI...
A 2005 study by McDonald Mirabile found that there is no significant correlation between a quarterback's Wonderlic score and a quarterback's passer rating, and no significant correlation between a quarterback's Wonderlic score and a quarterback's salary.[46] Similarly, a 2009 study by Brian D. Lyons, Brian J. Hoffman, and John W. Michel found that Wonderlic scores failed to positively and significantly predict future NFL performance for any position.[47] Donovan McNabb, whose 14 score[48] was the lowest of the five quarterbacks taken in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft, had the longest and most successful career.
For grins,,,
Dobbs scored a 29. Average score for a QB is 24.
Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.
Brad Kaaya, Miami 34
Nate Peterman, Pittsburgh (former Tennessee) 32
Trevor Knight, Texas A&M 30
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 29
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 28
CJ Beathard, Iowa 26
Mitchell Trubisky, UNC 25
Davis Webb, Cal 25
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech 24
Chad Kelly, Ole Miss 22
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 21
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 20
Myles Garrett 31
We are obviously playing our new DE out of position.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers are desperate for LBs with Harrison on his last legs and Woodley gone.
Shazier, Dupree,Timmons and Jones were all 1st round picks. When you spend another 1st on Watt you know that you have problems with the LB group.
You must have gotten sideways with the little man too with a name like that.
Not a problem, a need...unless you're calling a need a problem.
Woodleys been gone a few years now. Timmons and Jones have departed this year.
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@boo-fagley said:
I dont consider McNabb a very good QB.
Yeah, Philly should have checked his Wonderlic before signing him.
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Donovan McNabb scored a 14.
There is zero correlation between a Wonderlic score and play on the field.
According to WIKI...
A 2005 study by McDonald Mirabile found that there is no significant correlation between a quarterback's Wonderlic score and a quarterback's passer rating, and no significant correlation between a quarterback's Wonderlic score and a quarterback's salary.[46] Similarly, a 2009 study by Brian D. Lyons, Brian J. Hoffman, and John W. Michel found that Wonderlic scores failed to positively and significantly predict future NFL performance for any position.[47] Donovan McNabb, whose 14 score[48] was the lowest of the five quarterbacks taken in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft, had the longest and most successful career.
For grins,,,
Dobbs scored a 29. Average score for a QB is 24.
Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.
Brad Kaaya, Miami 34
Nate Peterman, Pittsburgh (former Tennessee) 32
Trevor Knight, Texas A&M 30
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 29
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 28
CJ Beathard, Iowa 26
Mitchell Trubisky, UNC 25
Davis Webb, Cal 25
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech 24
Chad Kelly, Ole Miss 22
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 21
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 20
Myles Garrett 31
We are obviously playing our new DE out of position.
We are obviously playing our new DE out of position.
31 is outstanding. Good for Myles!
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An entertaining article.
Eight rookies who landed with the wrong teams.
Three of the players went to AFCN teams...Ju Ju, Kizer, and Ross.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers are desperate for LBs with Harrison on his last legs and Woodley gone.
Shazier, Dupree,Timmons and Jones were all 1st round picks. When you spend another 1st on Watt you know that you have problems with the LB group.
You must have gotten sideways with the little man too with a name like that.
Not a problem, a need...unless you're calling a need a problem.
Woodleys been gone a few years now. Timmons and Jones have departed this year.
Not a problem, a need...unless you're calling a need a problem.
Woodleys been gone a few years now. Timmons and Jones have departed this year.
Moats is still there, no?
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I'll try to be more subjective next time... maybe throw in a "fuck the stoolers" for good measure.
Don't want you leaving Brownsville disappointed...
Lol..I always laugh when I hear a "Browns" fan say "Stooler"
Stick with "Squeelers".
Also stay away from "Shittsburg"...
Use "Pittspuke" instead.
Lol..I always laugh when I hear a "Browns" fan say "Stooler" Stick with "Squeelers".
Also stay away from "Shittsburg"... Use "Pittspuke" instead.
lol... no promises, but I will take your input under advisement...
Agree Conner is no Franco Harris, Harris avoided getting hit. Connor is more a Jerome Bettis type. Can pound and batter an opponent, but is better than Bettis in being elusive.
Better comparison, but he's no Jerome... not that I see anyway. My projection for Connor was as a FB/RB hybrid... he simply lacks the speed for the next level at RB. We shall see...
@boo-fagley said:
Fitz scored 48. I had heard his score was perfect but never checked it out for myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test
I did know 50 is "perfect". I see it was McInally that aced it.(kudos to Canton). Did not realize there was another closer than Fitz and that Ben Watson tied him.
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Lol..I always laugh when I hear a "Browns" fan say "Stooler" Stick with "Squeelers".
Also stay away from "Shittsburg"... Use "Pittspuke" instead.Stoolers and Shittsburgh it is then.
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@boo-fagley said:
TE Ben Watson out of Georgia. NE drafted him and he was a solid player. Still playing for somebody.
Heard him on the radio the other day. Very articulate. IIRC, he just published a book.
Ben has been one of the better players to bounce around the league as much as he has... Pats, us, Saints and now the Ravens. He's been good everywhere. Odd he's never found a "home"... especially since he's never been a particularly expensive player.
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@boo-fagley said:
I dont like the Steelers but they know how to draft WRs and LBs.
JuJu will be a beast. Just watch.Though, what are the odds that TJ Watt has the impact that JJ has had? Id say very slim and that TJ went that high because of pedigree.
Watt didn't get drafted because of JJ. Why the hell would he? Im sure it didn't hurt because you know the work ethic of that family from a football stand point but they certainly drafted Watt based on his own on the field and off the field merits. He is new to the position and raw like bud dupree, great athlete with a fantastic motor.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers are desperate for LBs with Harrison on his last legs and Woodley gone.
Shazier, Dupree,Timmons and Jones were all 1st round picks. When you spend another 1st on Watt you know that you have problems with the LB group.
You must have gotten sideways with the little man too with a name like that.
Why are you mentioning Woodley? Do you realize how long ago it was he suited up as a Steeler? As far as the core is concerned Watt got drafted because Harrison is 39 and the team missed on Jarvis Jones. The linebacker group for the steelers health permitting is going to be ridiculous and that's assuming Watt only spot starts. The problem is gone, they addressed it with Watt.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers are desperate for LBs with Harrison on his last legs and Woodley gone.
Shazier, Dupree,Timmons and Jones were all 1st round picks. When you spend another 1st on Watt you know that you have problems with the LB group.
You must have gotten sideways with the little man too with a name like that.
Why are you mentioning Woodley? Do you realize how long ago it was he suited up as a Steeler? As far as the core is concerned Watt got drafted because Harrison is 39 and the team missed on Jarvis Jones. The linebacker group for the steelers health permitting is going to be ridiculous and that's assuming Watt only spot starts. The problem is gone, they addressed it with Watt.
Why are you mentioning Woodley? Do you realize how long ago it was he suited up as a Steeler? As far as the core is concerned Watt got drafted because Harrison is 39 and the team missed on Jarvis Jones. The linebacker group for the steelers health permitting is going to be ridiculous and that's assuming Watt only spot starts. The problem is gone, they addressed it with Watt.
Ridiculous? Ridiculously average. Who would be playing for them? Harrison, Shazier, Timmons, Dupree? (or is he a DE?), and now Watt?
They are OK. Average. I would not say that the Browns LB corps is as good, for a couple of reasons: A. Browns apparently going to 4-3...and even someone said they will often be in a 4-2-5 defense under DC Greg Williams (with the use of a Peppers say as a S/LB hybrid) and will not have the same numbers of LBs that a 3-4 team like the Pukers would have. Three that they have can stand up: Kirksey/Collins/Davis....but they will usually apparently have only 1 ILB in there (and actually all three of these guys are best suited for ILB...including Collins), so they don't have the same number of bodies there. B. The Browns did NOT address the OLB situation in the draft, or FA..except for Collins. They are relying on the likes of Joe Schobert and Nate Orchard to man the other OLB spot. And those two are kinda like your Jarvis Jones was.....underachievers (the difference being that they were 4th and 2d rounders, not 1st rounders).
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I didn't realize the Bengals took a kicker in the 5th. Was that the first kicker taken in the draft? And how does he compare to the dude we got?
Jake Elliot was the 1st kicker taken off the board. Shocked me, till i realized Ghoolie may have turned in his Hometown Card from Memphis. Maybe hell can freeze over in Cincinnati now
Jake Elliot was the 1st kicker taken off the board. Shocked me, till i realized Ghoolie may have turned in his Hometown Card from Memphis. Maybe hell can freeze over in Cincinnati now
Bengals really needed a kicker. They released Mike Nugent, who was kicking like Ted Nugent. Missed a lot of FG and Extra points. 3 XPs, and only 79% on FGs. Back in the day that used to be good, now it gets you cut.
We are obviously playing our new DE out of position.
But Ghoolie says he's not very smart- it must be true.
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@boo-fagley said:
I dont like the Steelers but they know how to draft WRs and LBs.
JuJu will be a beast. Just watch.Though, what are the odds that TJ Watt has the impact that JJ has had? Id say very slim and that TJ went that high because of pedigree.
Watt didn't get drafted because of JJ. Why the hell would he? Im sure it didn't hurt because you know the work ethic of that family from a football stand point but they certainly drafted Watt based on his own on the field and off the field merits. He is new to the position and raw like bud dupree, great athlete with a fantastic motor.
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Why are you mentioning Woodley? Do you realize how long ago it was he suited up as a Steeler? As far as the core is concerned Watt got drafted because Harrison is 39 and the team missed on Jarvis Jones. The linebacker group for the steelers health permitting is going to be ridiculous and that's assuming Watt only spot starts. The problem is gone, they addressed it with Watt.
Ridiculous? Ridiculously average. Who would be playing for them? Harrison, Shazier, Timmons, Dupree? (or is he a DE?), and now Watt?
They are OK. Average. I would not say that the Browns LB corps is as good, for a couple of reasons: A. Browns apparently going to 4-3...and even someone said they will often be in a 4-2-5 defense under DC Greg Williams (with the use of a Peppers say as a S/LB hybrid) and will not have the same numbers of LBs that a 3-4 team like the Pukers would have. Three that they have can stand up: Kirksey/Collins/Davis....but they will usually apparently have only 1 ILB in there (and actually all three of these guys are best suited for ILB...including Collins), so they don't have the same number of bodies there. B. The Browns did NOT address the OLB situation in the draft, or FA..except for Collins. They are relying on the likes of Joe Schobert and Nate Orchard to man the other OLB spot. And those two are kinda like your Jarvis Jones was.....underachievers (the difference being that they were 4th and 2d rounders, not 1st rounders).
Ridiculous? Ridiculously average. Who would be playing for them? Harrison, Shazier, Timmons, Dupree? (or is he a DE?), and now Watt?
They are OK. Average. I would not say that the Browns LB corps is as good, for a couple of reasons: A. Browns apparently going to 4-3...and even someone said they will often be in a 4-2-5 defense under DC Greg Williams (with the use of a Peppers say as a S/LB hybrid) and will not have the same numbers of LBs that a 3-4 team like the Pukers would have. Three that they have can stand up: Kirksey/Collins/Davis....but they will usually apparently have only 1 ILB in there (and actually all three of these guys are best suited for ILB...including Collins), so they don't have the same number of bodies there. B. The Browns did NOT address the OLB situation in the draft, or FA..except for Collins. They are relying on the likes of Joe Schobert and Nate Orchard to man the other OLB spot. And those two are kinda like your Jarvis Jones was.....underachievers (the difference being that they were 4th and 2d rounders, not 1st rounders).
You really don't pay attention to teams in the North AT ALL. The Linebackers will be Harrison/watt, shazier, vince williams and Bud Dupree. Dupree is just getting started, Shazier is a freak of nature BUT he needs to stay healthy. Vince Williams is a thumper with a great motor. He's not perfect but he will fill in nicely since Timmons (here is where you don't follow along signed with Miami) Add in Heyward, Tuitt and Hargrave and it's a nasty front seven. I guess we'll all find out soon.
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