Garrett Peppers and 1st rounder
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Also in the news...
Michigan lost half its starters...
Only once, just to put it in this thread:
Michigan had a lot of seniors on the roster. A lot of guys from the Hoke era. Not nearly at the level Harbaugh is bringing in, but they had the experience and a few years of Harbaugh coaching. This is not a usual case of losing all your seniors and getting worse, as we're still turning it into Harbaughs team.
Ex, we had 3 Sr OL and none were drafted. Saying "Look at all of the Srs they lost!" doesn't mean much when the guys replacing them will be better.
Alright, that's it.
Only once, just to put it in this thread:
Michigan had a lot of seniors on the roster. A lot of guys from the Hoke era. Not nearly at the level Harbaugh is bringing in, but they had the experience and a few years of Harbaugh coaching. This is not a usual case of losing all your seniors and getting worse, as we're still turning it into Harbaughs team.
Ex, we had 3 Sr OL and none were drafted. Saying "Look at all of the Srs they lost!" doesn't mean much when the guys replacing them will be better.
Alright, that's it.
Of course, it remains to be seen if in fact they will be better.
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Peppers is the big question mark for me and many others. If...IF he works out, then it's an incredibly smart pick because it fills a couple of giant holes. If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close. Also, I didn't love our tackling in the secondary last year, and regardless of what some people say, I think Peppers can absolutely tackle. I don't necessarily think Peppers is "plug and play", and I do think he will require a defensive coordinator with vision and creativity. Luckily for us, I believe Gregg Williams is such a guy, and I'm hoping Peppers can be used in a similar role as Troy Palumalu. I am not, read again, NOT saying Peppers will be Palumalu, but I envision him playing that kind of role. Sitting at the line of scrimmage, dropping back, blitzing the QB....I think we can use him all over. Can you imagine just how fun it would be to have a guy that the defense has to account for every play? Peppers is also a fiery guy, and I like that.
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I don't doubt one second Peppers will work out great. Opposing offenses will have to game plan
for him - where he is, what he might do - defenses will start noticing that he can get an offensive play
...what will he do then? or is he just there that time to mess with their minds?
He'll be inspiring the Browns in all three phases I think. That reminds me of Cribbs - how tough and all out
he played every play. That means the world to guys who want to win.
The icing on the cake, is that both Peppers and Njoku were often listed as probable draft
short list players for the squealers. They settled for Watt.
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I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
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I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
Impressive. Nice. Absolutely.
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Love Garrett, I'm in the camp that doesn't believe Peppers has a 2-3 down position in the NFL which should be a given at #25. I'm also nervous that Hue is talking using Peppers on offense. He is going to have to learn both sides of the ball?
doesn't believe Peppers has a 2-3 down position in the NFL which should be a given
He does. MeatChicken didn't play him at his NFL position of SS last season.. because the only weakness of UM's D last season was speed on the edge other than Peppers.
. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.. Peppers has a position whether you like [or accept] it or not. He doesn't have stats last year that might be considered "normal" for SS because....... he didn't play that position last year.The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
Though know what Ag? Garrett had a couple more inches of vertical at the combine than Njoku. How's that for impressive? BTW looked it up- the combine record for vertical (any position) is 45", Myles did 42".
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Peppers is the big question mark for me and many others. If...IF he works out, then it's an incredibly smart pick because it fills a couple of giant holes. If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close. Also, I didn't love our tackling in the secondary last year, and regardless of what some people say, I think Peppers can absolutely tackle. I don't necessarily think Peppers is "plug and play", and I do think he will require a defensive coordinator with vision and creativity. Luckily for us, I believe Gregg Williams is such a guy, and I'm hoping Peppers can be used in a similar role as Troy Palumalu. I am not, read again, NOT saying Peppers will be Palumalu, but I envision him playing that kind of role. Sitting at the line of scrimmage, dropping back, blitzing the QB....I think we can use him all over. Can you imagine just how fun it would be to have a guy that the defense has to account for every play? Peppers is also a fiery guy, and I like that.
If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close.
KO Return Ave. - 18.7 yd - 28th in league
Punt Return Ave. - 6.7 yd - 26th
Pretty good call... but about that Peppers - Palumalu comparison...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
hoorta-Same speed in the 40 though Myles improved his at pro day. Same height and wingspan too. Maybe he can cover him in practice on occasion just for grins.
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I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
Though know what Ag? Garrett had a couple more inches of vertical at the combine than Njoku. How's that for impressive? BTW looked it up- the combine record for vertical (any position) is 45", Myles did 42".
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Peppers is the big question mark for me and many others. If...IF he works out, then it's an incredibly smart pick because it fills a couple of giant holes. If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close. Also, I didn't love our tackling in the secondary last year, and regardless of what some people say, I think Peppers can absolutely tackle. I don't necessarily think Peppers is "plug and play", and I do think he will require a defensive coordinator with vision and creativity. Luckily for us, I believe Gregg Williams is such a guy, and I'm hoping Peppers can be used in a similar role as Troy Palumalu. I am not, read again, NOT saying Peppers will be Palumalu, but I envision him playing that kind of role. Sitting at the line of scrimmage, dropping back, blitzing the QB....I think we can use him all over. Can you imagine just how fun it would be to have a guy that the defense has to account for every play? Peppers is also a fiery guy, and I like that.
Can you imagine just how fun it would be to have a guy that the defense has to account for every play?
Yes I can. It works out great
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doesn't believe Peppers has a 2-3 down position in the NFL which should be a given
He does. MeatChicken didn't play him at his NFL position of SS last season.. because the only weakness of UM's D last season was speed on the edge other than Peppers.
. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.. Peppers has a position whether you like [or accept] it or not. He doesn't have stats last year that might be considered "normal" for SS because....... he didn't play that position last year.He does. MeatChicken didn't play him at his NFL position of SS last season.. because the only weakness of UM's D last season was speed on the edge other than Peppers.
. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.. Peppers has a position whether you like [or accept] it or not. He doesn't have stats last year that might be considered "normal" for SS because....... he didn't play that position last year.Alright, even for me you're getting a little annoying with the "watch the video!" nonsense. We get it dude, you watched one video on peppers and now you're an expert. Just cool it a little bit, alright?
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He does. MeatChicken didn't play him at his NFL position of SS last season.. because the only weakness of UM's D last season was speed on the edge other than Peppers.
. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.. Peppers has a position whether you like [or accept] it or not. He doesn't have stats last year that might be considered "normal" for SS because....... he didn't play that position last year.Alright, even for me you're getting a little annoying with the "watch the video!" nonsense. We get it dude, you watched one video on peppers and now you're an expert. Just cool it a little bit, alright?
LOL. Coming from THE expertAlright, even for me you're getting a little annoying with the "watch the video!" nonsense. We get it dude, you watched one video on peppers and now you're an expert. Just cool it a little bit, alright?
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I have more than just this one video I watched that I link in every fucking post.
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If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close.
KO Return Ave. - 18.7 yd - 28th in league
Punt Return Ave. - 6.7 yd - 26th
Pretty good call... but about that Peppers - Palumalu comparison...
KO Return Ave. - 18.7 yd - 28th in league
Punt Return Ave. - 6.7 yd - 26th
Pretty good call... but about that Peppers - Palumalu comparison...
Thanks for the stats! Man, it's hard to believe there were that many teams WORSE than us at returning kicks/punts. I was happy to see us fair catch the thing or fall forward for 5 yards, LOL. I watched some of Peppers returns on YouTube, and the guy seems very confident (maybe TOO confident, lol) catching the ball and turning up the field. He's definitely got the "look", and his acceleration and shiftiness is definitely noticeable.
I want to say again for the record. I am NOT...NOT...saying Peppers WILL BE PALUMALU, LOL. I am merely saying I can envision Peppers fulfilling a similar ROLE as Troy did...that's all. I would never say a draft pick is going to be a freaking Hall of Famer out of the gate. You guys know me better than that! I just have a vision of this Peppers kid at the line of scrimmage, blitzing the QB, dropping back into deep coverage, and bursting through the line to trip up a ball carrier. I also love how fiery he is, and I think it's something our defense really needed. Jamie Collins is our best defensive player (in my mind), but he appears to be the "strong silent type". Peppers seems like the guy that can get people fired up, and we needed it. I LOVED seeing the video of Hue Jackson and our other coaches get so excited after hearing we took Peppers. We REALLY wanted that kid.
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... Gotcha?
As for accounting for Peppers...
- Not seeing him as that kind of impact player. Seeing a difference between an impact player who unexpectedly lines up at different places, e.g., Watt, Mack, Miller, and a player whose role changes play to play as dictated by down and distance.
- A good offense can account for any one impact player, but in doing so it may not be able to do "what it wants, when it wants to." Thinking here specifically about having to use a back to chip or hold in a TE to double team rather than add to the flooding of a zone with that restrained player.
What I will say is that I may well have overlooked a third, defensive emotional-leader option in addition to Foster and Adams. Peppers not only has that kind of infectious enthusiasm, it was visible at the Combine, but also can do one thing Foster and Adams can't... spread it beyond the D. As a ST'er and RB, Peppers' reach, or emotional impact potential, is greater.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
... Gotcha?
As for accounting for Peppers...
- Not seeing him as that kind of impact player. Seeing a difference between an impact player who unexpectedly lines up at different places, e.g., Watt, Mack, Miller, and a player whose role changes play to play as dictated by down and distance.
- A good offense can account for any one impact player, but in doing so it may not be able to do "what it wants, when it wants to." Thinking here specifically about having to use a back to chip or hold in a TE to double team rather than add to the flooding of a zone with that restrained player.
What I will say is that I may well have overlooked a third, defensive emotional-leader option in addition to Foster and Adams. Peppers not only has that kind of infectious enthusiasm, it was visible at the Combine, but also can do one thing Foster and Adams can't... spread it beyond the D. As a ST'er and RB, Peppers' reach, or emotional impact potential, is greater.
Exactly. Plenty of potential. Too much time to sit and wait to see if he was worth a #1 ... Gotcha?As for accounting for Peppers...
- Not seeing him as that kind of impact player. Seeing a difference between an impact player who unexpectedly lines up at different places, e.g., Watt, Mack, Miller, and a player whose role changes play to play as dictated by down and distance.
- A good offense can account for any one impact player, but in doing so it may not be able to do "what it wants, when it wants to." Thinking here specifically about having to use a back to chip or hold in a TE to double team rather than add to the flooding of a zone with that restrained player.
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Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
While I don't expect Peppers to be the second coming of Ronnie Lott or Eric Turner, or even of Thom Darden (because Darden could intercept...and Pepper does not), I do expect him to be worthy of a first round pick as a solid Strong Safety....tough against the run...and better at coverage than he has shown. And I do expect him to be there with Eric Metcalf and Josh Cribbs in the return game.
The post just above this one? Yes, that is partially what I want to see out of him.
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