Garrett Peppers and 1st rounder

MLD Woody

I have more than just this one video I watched that I link in every fucking post.

jiggins7919

@tour2ma said:

KO Return Ave. - 18.7 yd - 28th in league

Punt Return Ave. - 6.7 yd - 26th

Pretty good call... but about that Peppers - Palumalu comparison...

Thanks for the stats! Man, it's hard to believe there were that many teams WORSE than us at returning kicks/punts. I was happy to see us fair catch the thing or fall forward for 5 yards, LOL. I watched some of Peppers returns on YouTube, and the guy seems very confident (maybe TOO confident, lol) catching the ball and turning up the field. He's definitely got the "look", and his acceleration and shiftiness is definitely noticeable.

I want to say again for the record. I am NOT...NOT...saying Peppers WILL BE PALUMALU, LOL. I am merely saying I can envision Peppers fulfilling a similar ROLE as Troy did...that's all. I would never say a draft pick is going to be a freaking Hall of Famer out of the gate. You guys know me better than that! I just have a vision of this Peppers kid at the line of scrimmage, blitzing the QB, dropping back into deep coverage, and bursting through the line to trip up a ball carrier. I also love how fiery he is, and I think it's something our defense really needed. Jamie Collins is our best defensive player (in my mind), but he appears to be the "strong silent type". Peppers seems like the guy that can get people fired up, and we needed it. I LOVED seeing the video of Hue Jackson and our other coaches get so excited after hearing we took Peppers. We REALLY wanted that kid.

Tour2ma

... Gotcha?

As for accounting for Peppers...

Not seeing him as that kind of impact player. Seeing a difference between an impact player who unexpectedly lines up at different places, e.g., Watt, Mack, Miller, and a player whose role changes play to play as dictated by down and distance.
A good offense can account for any one impact player, but in doing so it may not be able to do "what it wants, when it wants to." Thinking here specifically about having to use a back to chip or hold in a TE to double team rather than add to the flooding of a zone with that restrained player.

What I will say is that I may well have overlooked a third, defensive emotional-leader option in addition to Foster and Adams. Peppers not only has that kind of infectious enthusiasm, it was visible at the Combine, but also can do one thing Foster and Adams can't... spread it beyond the D. As a ST'er and RB, Peppers' reach, or emotional impact potential, is greater.

Comeonman

@tour2ma said:

... Gotcha?

As for accounting for Peppers...

Not seeing him as that kind of impact player. Seeing a difference between an impact player who unexpectedly lines up at different places, e.g., Watt, Mack, Miller, and a player whose role changes play to play as dictated by down and distance.

A good offense can account for any one impact player, but in doing so it may not be able to do "what it wants, when it wants to." Thinking here specifically about having to use a back to chip or hold in a TE to double team rather than add to the flooding of a zone with that restrained player.

What I will say is that I may well have overlooked a third, defensive emotional-leader option in addition to Foster and Adams. Peppers not only has that kind of infectious enthusiasm, it was visible at the Combine, but also can do one thing Foster and Adams can't... spread it beyond the D. As a ST'er and RB, Peppers' reach, or emotional impact potential, is greater.

Exactly. Plenty of potential. Too much time to sit and wait to see if he was worth a #1

MLD Woody

Tour2ma

How do you not use a guy who can do that on Offense? Screens... bubble screens... draws... wheels... any means to get him into space... into a broken field.. with the ball in his hands.

The Gipper

While I don't expect Peppers to be the second coming of Ronnie Lott or Eric Turner, or even of Thom Darden (because Darden could intercept...and Pepper does not), I do expect him to be worthy of a first round pick as a solid Strong Safety....tough against the run...and better at coverage than he has shown. And I do expect him to be there with Eric Metcalf and Josh Cribbs in the return game.

The post just above this one? Yes, that is partially what I want to see out of him.

mjp28

@mld-woody said:

If Dr. Peppers is used extensively as a PR, KR it will most likely reduce his professional career. This isn't college.

I hope he's successful for the BROWNS sake but is still a big reach at #12 compared to what the BROWNS could have had as a DB in that spot in this year’s LOADED defensive draft.

LondonBrown

@jiggins7919 said:
I LOVED seeing the video of Hue Jackson and our other coaches get so excited after hearing we took Peppers. We REALLY wanted that kid.

Chris Tabor seemed very excited would assume he's expecting him on his special teams

Canton Dawg

@mjp28 said:

If Dr. Peppers is used extensively as a PR, KR it will most likely reduce his professional career. This isn't college.

I hope he's successful for the BROWNS sake but is still a big reach at #12 compared to what the BROWNS could have had as a DB in that spot in this year’s LOADED defensive draft.

That pretty much sums up my opinion of him. I really don't mind Peppers as the pick...I just don't like where he was picked and who we passed up to slide to #25 to get him.

calfoxwc

Charley Casserly had the squealers picking Peppers with their first round pick.

All three first round picks for the Browns will be stars/household names.

It won't take long.

Westside Steve

@calfoxwc said:
Charley Casserly had the squealers picking Peppers.

But were they pickled and did they attempt to acquire an entire peck ?

WSS

TexasAg1969

@westside-steve said:

But were they pickled and did they attempt to acquire an entire peck ?

WSS

After the coming season I predict we will be calling him Dr. Peppers.

gumby73

@mld-woody said:

No longer do I have to watch our punt returners look up at a punt like the moon is falling on them..wait wait there's a flag

cambridgeho

@texasag1969 said:

After the coming season I predict we will be calling him Dr. Peppers.

Or JP5 which is jet fuel. However, he will be wearing a higher number.

MLD Woody

While we're on his punt return skills, here's one I was pushing before that doesn't necessarily show up in the stat sheet: Fielding punts that most returns wouldn't attempt, saving us a lot of yards.

MLD Woody

He's also pretty solid at making tacklers miss...

mjp28

@gumby73 said:

No longer do I have to watch our punt returners look up at a punt like the moon is falling on them..wait wait there's a flag

Was that against mighty RUT-GERS...and they missed the block in the back?

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:
But were they pickled and did they attempt to acquire an entire peck ?

Hey... pipe down...

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

While we're on his punt return skills, here's one I was pushing before that doesn't necessarily show up in the stat sheet: Fielding punts that most returns wouldn't attempt, saving us a lot of yards.

That, indeed would be good.