Gordon not Reinstated
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Please understand some more regarding the "opiate" / addiction crisis.. the assertion that "The Victims Chose It" is simply objectively false.
Over 70% of those addicted to opiates first began because they had a nominally simple procedure - tooth pulling, hernia surgery, biopsy, etc. And at present, pain pills are presented at the end of that procedure.. however, the information that "Taking These Pills Is How Addiction Starts" is absolutely not described to that patient.. and that's 100% not the MD's fault.
1) "Pain Management" was not a thing before the family behind oxycontin began lobbying.
Quote from the article:
In 2007, Purdue Pharma and three of its top executives pleaded guilty to criminal charges that they had misled the F.D.A., clinicians, and patients about the risks of OxyContin addiction and abuse by aggressively marketing the drug to providers and patients as a safe alternative to short-acting narcotics. (Doctors had been taught that because OxyContin was time-released, it wouldn’t cause a high that would lead to addiction.)
2) MD's have been beaten down to "Make The Patient Happy" and so they give out pills because the pt asks.. because otherwise the MD is thought to be "not serving the pt."
Personally, I'm nearly afraid of oxy/vicodin.. make a point to attempt to tough it out no matter what - and only use advil if absolutely necessary.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
He had his chance, well...more than one. It's time to call a spade a spade and move on.@ghoolie said:
What is ever more hypocritical is the drunks who are in the HOF. Sonny Jourgensen, Babe, Ty Cobb, Joe Namath........... and more.............. boozers....but that's okay?
Fuck the NFL, and Fuck the Browns. Cowards.
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First offense slap you on the wrist. Second offense gets you time off. Third offense gets you a year off.@ghoolie said:
But I thought Drug addiction, like Alcoholism is a disease? So, how can you punish someone for a disease?
Pot is a bullshit issue. I guarantee you Godell couldn't pass the NFL's substance tests, nor could most NFL execs. It is a bullshit suspension.
Fourth offense after telling your boss the things he wanted to hear? Bullshit.
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@ghoolie said:
Pot is a bullshit issue. I guarantee you Godell couldn't pass the NFL's substance tests, nor could most NFL execs.
That and a quarter gets a phone call. (although I agree, it's bull)
He knows the rules. Like all the other players do.
He made the choice to NOT drink O'Douls & smoke cigars for 10 years.
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First offense- codein- 4/6 game suspension reduced to 2 games due to doctor script.
Second offense- 10 games, nearly a whole dame season. no OTAs no team contact nothing. Despite that the NFL lowered the THC threshold to a limit that wouldn't have triggered a positive test in Gordon's case, yet retro-punished despite the fact.
Third offense- A whole season, for in essence what consisted of a miscommunication. Gordon was told no drink until the end of the season. Gordon waited until his season was over and he cleaned out his locker, he then had a couple drinks on a flight to vegas with players and coaches from the Browns.
Reapplied for reinstatement to the league and was allowed after serving a bullshit 4 game suspension... for what? Not even Josh Gordon knows why. After a warrant being issued he took to his past experience and voluntarily checked himself into rehab to avoid doing anything that would jeopardize his future in the NFL and it cost him the entire season.
A year later reapplies for reinstatement and is denied.
If you think that this is justice or right or justified in any way, I feel sorry for you.
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Rolando McClain was arrested on marijuana and firearm charges on Friday according Anna Beahm...
...also on indefinite suspension list... do you see this from Gordon? No. Because Gordon is TRYING.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
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I've said it before but I'll say it again. He's trying. He hasn't repeat offended anything. Each time that he's been suspended it's been for something different. It's not like he's blowing weed smoke in the Commish's face smiling. He's taken HUNDREDS of drug tests and has passed 99% of them since entering the NFL. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even be in the conversation, ala Blackmon or Ricky Williams. IMO Gordon has went above and beyond in his quest to become 'WORTHY' of being an NFL player. He's a stand up young man and he is well spoken and full of class. It really is a goddamn shame that he's being treated this way.
Josh Gordon has a target on his back from the NFL. He's their little scapegoat...
So, go ahead and poke fun at his misery. His misery is OUR misery. So... good job.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Rolando McClain was arrested on marijuana and firearm charges on Friday according Anna Beahm...
...also on indefinite suspension list... do you see this from Gordon? No. Because Gordon is TRYING.
Not to mention DWash from Az getting fucked as well, but hey it's the law and when theres a lot of $$$ at steak it's a problem.Rolando McClain was arrested on marijuana and firearm charges on Friday according Anna Beahm...
...also on indefinite suspension list... do you see this from Gordon? No. Because Gordon is TRYING.
Seriously if you were a owner and had your boss yapping at your heels about a player not following the rules while trying to maintain a winning franchise wtf?
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I've said it before but I'll say it again. He's trying. He hasn't repeat offended anything. Each time that he's been suspended it's been for something different. It's not like he's blowing weed smoke in the Commish's face smiling. He's taken HUNDREDS of drug tests and has passed 99% of them since entering the NFL. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even be in the conversation, ala Blackmon or Ricky Williams. IMO Gordon has went above and beyond in his quest to become 'WORTHY' of being an NFL player. He's a stand up young man and he is well spoken and full of class. It really is a goddamn shame that he's being treated this way.
Josh Gordon has a target on his back from the NFL. He's their little scapegoat...
So, go ahead and poke fun at his misery. His misery is OUR misery. So... good job.
I've said it before but I'll say it again. He's trying. He hasn't repeat offended anything. Each time that he's been suspended it's been for something different. It's not like he's blowing weed smoke in the Commish's face smiling. He's taken HUNDREDS of drug tests and has passed 99% of them since entering the NFL. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even be in the conversation, ala Blackmon or Ricky Williams. IMO Gordon has went above and beyond in his quest to become 'WORTHY' of being an NFL player. He's a stand up young man and he is well spoken and full of class. It really is a goddamn shame that he's being treated this way.
Josh Gordon has a target on his back from the NFL. He's their little scapegoat...
So, go ahead and poke fun at his misery. His misery is OUR misery. So... good job.
There is trying and there is doing. I have no sympathy for a person throwing away their talent & $$$ because they can only "try". He has now had close to 10 years of "trying" and continues not to "do". Good luck in the CFL with JM.
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The part I just never get with Josh is his selfishness. 365 days a year you are asked to perform on the big stage only 16 Games. With 52 other brothers counting on your talents. Sorry but I just have not seen a Pacman Jones in this locker room that Josh could lean on as a support teammate. Nor should JT or Haden be asked to lock this kid in his room
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@ghoolie said:
Far be it from me to upset the apple cart with a post about promoting the Browns, forgiving a player, and operating as a team, HOWEVER.....................
if some of you guys want to condemn Gordon as a fuck-up, by all means go ahead. However, I can promise you, if Gordon played for Bill Belichik, the entire patriots team, including the community, management and ownership would have been standing behind Josh and pressuring the NFL to let the kid back in.
This is an abomination. In an age where the stupidity of marijuana being illegal is being documented, Josh's errors are hardly egregious and fatal.
This ruling is an abomination, and it is immoral. I am not setting aside his mistakes, but at the same time you can't set aside man's responsibility to forgive, educate, develop and guide those who have made mistakes. Josh Gordon is a human being, he is a kid. He is blessed with wonderful physical skills, and he only has one live, one chance to do something that every one of us wish we could do....... even for one, glorious Sunday.
The earmarks of decency, compassion and wisdom lie not in endlessly punishing each other for mistakes, but in helping people to turn themselves around. There is no good to be served by leaving Josh Gordon on the outside, looking in. Whatever the kid did, he has paid for, and then some.
When you consider the scumbags scattered all about in the NFL, this punishment of Gordon is borderline evil and vindictive.
The NFL should be ashamed of themselves, but even more than that, the Browns organization should be ashamed of themselves. They could have put a team behind this kid. They could have formed some agreement with him, and taken their case to the public and to the NFL.
I don't give a shit if you like the kid or not. But he is a Brown. If this fucking franchise is so great, where the hell are they in helping to get Gordon back into the game? Do they actually think this unconscionable ban is going to help him, the Browns or the league?
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
c'mon really? he's broken the nfl laws more than the dog killer, the wife beater and the blatant people killer. sure none of gordo's 'crimes' rise to that level but when you are told don't do it again and he does it again and again and AGAIN....bye!
c'mon really? he's broken the nfl laws more than the dog killer, the wife beater and the blatant people killer. sure none of gordo's 'crimes' rise to that level but when you are told don't do it again and he does it again and again and AGAIN....bye!
Exactly. He was all set to play in 2016 and when it was go time - guess what? Gordon checked into a rehab. How does one check into a rehab if he's been spending all this time prioritizing his commitment to his NFL career as some want to pretend in here?
The debate about how evil or mild pot is has no bearing on Gordon's situation. The debate should be if you have backed your career all the way into a corner so all that's left is "you have to pass the piss tests" - time to pass all of the piss tests. And if the company you choose to keep is a creep - career on park is a keep...
Josh's path on how he entered the NFL with strikes against him came from a series of bad choices. He came to us in the 2nd round of the supplemental draft, meaning a lot of teams including New England said "no thanks" at least once for such a physical specimen and talent. Sounds like the same reasoning of why only 1 major DI-A program (Baylor) remained interested in his elite skills out of high school. Poor Josh? Really?
Here's a 2013 article about Gordon I found interesting about the major college programs he scared off as well as some Joe Friday investigation about the cough medicine for strept throat during spring break https://jimkanicki.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/the-josh-gordon-file/comment-page-1/
So, Baylor and Cleveland said "we believe in you Josh." Baylor gave Josh a 2nd chance and he got kicked off the team again for the same thing. And that was a pretty tough program to get kicked out of. That's like getting kicked out of college football's version of Sodom and Gomorrah. And I've read countless excuses of why he can't make the sacrifice to pass the piss tests his path cornered him to. We were 6-4 in 2014 when he returned to the lineup after promising to show us the best version of Gordon yet. After getting cleared from what was supposed to be a 16 game suspension for the final 6 weeks of our best year since 2007, he had no TD receptions, forgot the plays, took plays off, showed a huge drop-off in his stats/performance (except for the Atl game he helped us win), and showed up to meetings late (and got suspended the final game by the coaching staff for it)... The only 5 game losing streak that 2014 team had came during the 6 week period the NFL cleared Gordon to play. So while pot isn't evil - it isn't motivational while it can lead to a huge lack of focus showing up in the form of symptoms I just described in his brief 2014 appearance.
Josh Gordon may have elite talent but he does not have "The Passion of the Football Christ."
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I've said it before but I'll say it again. He's trying. He hasn't repeat offended anything. Each time that he's been suspended it's been for something different. It's not like he's blowing weed smoke in the Commish's face smiling. He's taken HUNDREDS of drug tests and has passed 99% of them since entering the NFL. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even be in the conversation, ala Blackmon or Ricky Williams. IMO Gordon has went above and beyond in his quest to become 'WORTHY' of being an NFL player. He's a stand up young man and he is well spoken and full of class. It really is a goddamn shame that he's being treated this way.
Josh Gordon has a target on his back from the NFL. He's their little scapegoat...
So, go ahead and poke fun at his misery. His misery is OUR misery. So... good job.
I've said it before but I'll say it again. He's trying. He hasn't repeat offended anything. Each time that he's been suspended it's been for something different. It's not like he's blowing weed smoke in the Commish's face smiling. He's taken HUNDREDS of drug tests and has passed 99% of them since entering the NFL. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even be in the conversation, ala Blackmon or Ricky Williams. IMO Gordon has went above and beyond in his quest to become 'WORTHY' of being an NFL player. He's a stand up young man and he is well spoken and full of class. It really is a goddamn shame that he's being treated this way.
Josh Gordon has a target on his back from the NFL. He's their little scapegoat...
So, go ahead and poke fun at his misery. His misery is OUR misery. So... good job.
Most of the time, I find your unparalleled optimism refreshing and fun to read. This agree to disagree won't change that.
I had a brother that was a lot like Josh Gordon in terms of God given's he was blessed with almost rendering the challenges of his sport and academics boring. For example, in 7th grade - he was getting A's in 9th grade honor's math while he was always the man in baseball and football.
Unfortunately, with all that came an omnipresent pressure to uphold the standard he set. As a kid (5 years younger than my older brother) I never understood why he hated to hear about what a big deal some people thought he was. He began to surround himself with druggies/creeps so his actions started to become like the company he kept. In high school, he quit sports and a starting job at Right Guard he had before he quit school in lieu of a GED as a senior. GED for an honors student with straight A's while sex, drugs and rock-n-roll was better than the sacrifices necessary for football? Yep! And while marijuana isn't evil - it's not exactly regarded as motivational especially for those more in need of their fanny lit than their next bowl...
He became really good at making people feel sorry for him. The alleged reason for his about-face was his parents got divorced. When both parents would say no - grandma would say yes to "Poor John." He went on and lived the rest of his life as a free spirit until he died at 52 years of age.
I see a lot of similarities in terms of what he chose to do with his God-given talents with that of Josh Gordon. Bored of the challenge to the extent there's nothing driving him to make the sacrifices necessary to continue on with the privilege to play. Even worse, the pressure to uphold the standard had him preferring to escape it hanging out with people that would threaten his short and long term future in the sports. He loved to hear it was everyone's fault but his; so he could hide behind it and use it to excel at making people feel sorry for him. Every time he'd screw-up there was always a dumb ass at his side role modelling the cubed root of ignorance.. Same with Josh, when he's speeding and a guy in the car has a big bag of weed on him in Josh's glove compartment or maintaining an on going need to hang out with John Blutarsky-Manziel. Who's kidding who here?
Let's just say, I've seen this sequel before...
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Please understand some more regarding the "opiate" / addiction crisis.. the assertion that "The Victims Chose It" is simply objectively false.
Over 70% of those addicted to opiates first began because they had a nominally simple procedure - tooth pulling, hernia surgery, biopsy, etc. And at present, pain pills are presented at the end of that procedure.. however, the information that "Taking These Pills Is How Addiction Starts" is absolutely not described to that patient.. and that's 100% not the MD's fault.
1) "Pain Management" was not a thing before the family behind oxycontin began lobbying.
Quote from the article:
In 2007, Purdue Pharma and three of its top executives pleaded guilty to criminal charges that they had misled the F.D.A., clinicians, and patients about the risks of OxyContin addiction and abuse by aggressively marketing the drug to providers and patients as a safe alternative to short-acting narcotics. (Doctors had been taught that because OxyContin was time-released, it wouldn’t cause a high that would lead to addiction.)
2) MD's have been beaten down to "Make The Patient Happy" and so they give out pills because the pt asks.. because otherwise the MD is thought to be "not serving the pt."
Personally, I'm nearly afraid of oxy/vicodin.. make a point to attempt to tough it out no matter what - and only use advil if absolutely necessary.
Please understand some more regarding the "opiate" / addiction crisis.. the assertion that "The Victims Chose It" is simply objectively false.
Over 70% of those addicted to opiates first began because they had a nominally simple procedure - tooth pulling...
That's how I found out I was allergic ~30-years ago(?). Anyway... four wisdom teeth (two impacted) removed... sent home with Percodan (aspirin and oxycodone). Popped one in anticipation of the sedative my Oral Surgeon used wearing off and when it did I had "ants crawling all over my arms and legs".
At the Dr.'s instructions I tried a "half-tab" later... same result, so I made do with aspirin from then on.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
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From earlier, on the Browns' plans for Josh Gordon and the perception they've flip-flopped recently.
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I've said it before but I'll say it again. He's trying. He hasn't repeat offended anything. Each time that he's been suspended it's been for something different. It's not like he's blowing weed smoke in the Commish's face smiling. He's taken HUNDREDS of drug tests and has passed 99% of them since entering the NFL. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even be in the conversation, ala Blackmon or Ricky Williams. IMO Gordon has went above and beyond in his quest to become 'WORTHY' of being an NFL player. He's a stand up young man and he is well spoken and full of class. It really is a goddamn shame that he's being treated this way.
Josh Gordon has a target on his back from the NFL. He's their little scapegoat...
So, go ahead and poke fun at his misery. His misery is OUR misery. So... good job.
There is trying and there is doing. I have no sympathy for a person throwing away their talent & $$$ because they can only "try". He has now had close to 10 years of "trying" and continues not to "do". Good luck in the CFL with JM.
There is trying and there is doing. I have no sympathy for a person throwing away their talent & $$$ because they can only "try". He has now had close to 10 years of "trying" and continues not to "do". Good luck in the CFL with JM.
AMEN!! "Mr Innocent" checks himself into rehab a while ago....WHY? Others are right when they say there is more to this than meets the eye. Does anyone here REALLY believe that the NFLPA would NOT have stepped in had they felt Gordon has been treated unfairly?
No Gordon fan here, that's for sure.
Mike
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