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  • @the-gipper said:

    Or, yours you mean...or the Steelers ......idjit: he is listed as a DT:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TuitSt00.htm

    If he is playing DE, he seems out of place. While he has the height at 6'6", he is carrying to much weight for a DE at like 310.

    e.g. Garrett at 6'5" is at 272. Ogbah is about the same height.

    But don't go by the Browns: typical Pro Bowl DEs:

    Dunlap 6'6 280

    Ansah 6'5 275

    Watt 6'5 290

    Mack 6'3 250 ...though more of an OLB imo.

    Bottom line...if he is a DE, he is fat for one. Your good DE Heyward is only goes about 280.

    The guy you say plays NT isn't as fat as Tuitt.

    He's never played defensive tackle for the Steelers and he played defensive end in college. He's on NFL.com's list for best young players under 25 for his play at defensive end. He's long and certainly not fat. Hargrave is a clogger weight difference or not AND genius how many of those ends are 3-4 vs 43.

    @vagitron said:

    He's never played defensive tackle for the Steelers and he played defensive end in college. He's on NFL.com's list for best young players under 25 for his play at defensive end. He's long and certainly not fat. Hargrave is a clogger weight difference or not AND genius how many of those ends are 3-4 vs 43.

    Well, then. You better contact those entities that list him as a DT and straighten him out.

    And here is something else you need to be aware of: I don't give a flying fuck about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They can all eat shit and die. I don't have their complete roster memorized. I only care about them losing games and having their players carted off the field. So, if I get a matter of minutiae wrong about them....because a reliable source...in this case PFR...has it wrong then spare me.

    I don't give a shit about fatass Stephen Tuitt or fatass Inspector Hargrave...or where they play.

    And besides, if a guy is as talented as you think he is...he probably lines up all along the line somewhere, like JJ Watt, or Bosa do.

    Anyway, it won't matter...because the only DLine in the AFCN that anyone is going to be talking about in the future are The GOONS.

    The Ogres.

    They will become dominant!

  • @vagitron said:

    He's never played defensive tackle for the Steelers and he played defensive end in college. He's on NFL.com's list for best young players under 25 for his play at defensive end. He's long and certainly not fat. Hargrave is a clogger weight difference or not AND genius how many of those ends are 3-4 vs 43.

    Well, then. You better contact those entities that list him as a DT and straighten him out.

    And here is something else you need to be aware of: I don't give a flying fuck about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They can all eat shit and die. I don't have their complete roster memorized. I only care about them losing games and having their players carted off the field. So, if I get a matter of minutiae wrong about them....because a reliable source...in this case PFR...has it wrong then spare me.

    I don't give a shit about fatass Stephen Tuitt or fatass Inspector Hargrave...or where they play.

    And besides, if a guy is as talented as you think he is...he probably lines up all along the line somewhere, like JJ Watt, or Bosa do.

    Anyway, it won't matter...because the only DLine in the AFCN that anyone is going to be talking about in the future are The GOONS.

    The Ogres.

    They will become dominant!

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, then. You better contact those entities that list him as a DT and straighten him out.

    And here is something else you need to be aware of: I don't give a flying fuck about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They can all eat shit and die. I don't have their complete roster memorized. I only care about them losing games and having their players carted off the field. So, if I get a matter of minutiae wrong about them....because a reliable source...in this case PFR...has it wrong then spare me.

    I don't give a shit about fatass Stephen Tuitt or fatass Inspector Hargrave...or where they play.

    And besides, if a guy is as talented as you think he is...he probably lines up all along the line somewhere, like JJ Watt, or Bosa do.

    Anyway, it won't matter...because the only DLine in the AFCN that anyone is going to be talking about in the future are The GOONS.

    The Ogres.

    They will become dominant!

    I follow football, my team is the Steelers. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the browns. Yet you act like you are some sort of football authority. You talk out your ass more than you don't and that's okay with me, just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads like this pop up. You don't have a clue.

  • sad that you have emotional-knee jerksies and think that only squealer fans "follow football".

    BTW, your squealers suck three rivers scummy bildgewater.

    We were at the NFL HOF down the road... and several real

    football fans were complaining to the management that

    the squealer references were stinking up all of the entire area for blocks.

    Too bad, it's Sherwin Willaims day there, and busloads of kids were coming through,

    and when they got close to any reference to the squealers, they were holding their noses and

    getting sick.

    have a nice day. 🙂

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well, then. You better contact those entities that list him as a DT and straighten him out.

    And here is something else you need to be aware of: I don't give a flying fuck about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They can all eat shit and die. I don't have their complete roster memorized. I only care about them losing games and having their players carted off the field. So, if I get a matter of minutiae wrong about them....because a reliable source...in this case PFR...has it wrong then spare me.

    I don't give a shit about fatass Stephen Tuitt or fatass Inspector Hargrave...or where they play.

    And besides, if a guy is as talented as you think he is...he probably lines up all along the line somewhere, like JJ Watt, or Bosa do.

    Anyway, it won't matter...because the only DLine in the AFCN that anyone is going to be talking about in the future are The GOONS.

    The Ogres.

    They will become dominant!

    I follow football, my team is the Steelers. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the browns. Yet you act like you are some sort of football authority. You talk out your ass more than you don't and that's okay with me, just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads like this pop up. You don't have a clue.

    @vagitron said:

    I follow football, my team is the Steelers. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the browns. Yet you act like you are some sort of football authority. You talk out your ass more than you don't and that's okay with me, just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads like this pop up. You don't have a clue.

    I know my Team is the Browns. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the Steelers. You act like some little bitch who is some sort of little bitch authority. You talk out of your cunt more than you don't...and that's OK with me. Just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads on anything related to football pop up. You don't have a clue.

    You really DON"t know anything about football. You just care about one team...and you think that everyone should know as much about that team as you do...which, actually, is not all that much. There have been numerous times that I have had to school you on your own team. Here you are crying like a little baby girl because some obscure DL for your team has been listed as a DT instead of a DL.

    Like I said, the guy has lined up many times in the middle and has roamed a bit all along the defensive front. ERGO, PFR had him listed as a DT. But that is something you apparently don't know about this player.

  • @vagitron said:

    I follow football, my team is the Steelers. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the browns. Yet you act like you are some sort of football authority. You talk out your ass more than you don't and that's okay with me, just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads like this pop up. You don't have a clue.

    I know my Team is the Browns. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the Steelers. You act like some little bitch who is some sort of little bitch authority. You talk out of your cunt more than you don't...and that's OK with me. Just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads on anything related to football pop up. You don't have a clue.

    You really DON"t know anything about football. You just care about one team...and you think that everyone should know as much about that team as you do...which, actually, is not all that much. There have been numerous times that I have had to school you on your own team. Here you are crying like a little baby girl because some obscure DL for your team has been listed as a DT instead of a DL.

    Like I said, the guy has lined up many times in the middle and has roamed a bit all along the defensive front. ERGO, PFR had him listed as a DT. But that is something you apparently don't know about this player.

    @the-gipper said:

    I know my Team is the Browns. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the Steelers. You act like some little bitch who is some sort of little bitch authority. You talk out of your cunt more than you don't...and that's OK with me. Just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads on anything related to football pop up. You don't have a clue.

    You really DON"t know anything about football. You just care about one team...and you think that everyone should know as much about that team as you do...which, actually, is not all that much. There have been numerous times that I have had to school you on your own team. Here you are crying like a little baby girl because some obscure DL for your team has been listed as a DT instead of a DL.

    Like I said, the guy has lined up many times in the middle and has roamed a bit all along the defensive front. ERGO, PFR had him listed as a DT. But that is something you apparently don't know about this player.

    You do realize that the Steelers play a 3-4...correct?......and, in a 3-4, there are no DT's.......just a Nose and 2 ends.....

    So, he is a DE, no matter what your PFR says.....(Stools depth chart has him at DE....and, dumb as they are, Id think the stools know where their own players go.....)

    and....Ill add.....that DE's(in a 3-4) are typically built more like a DT or are actually converted Dt's.....that is why Cooper was a de last year and will be a DT this year/////

    So....end the stupid debate.....he's a DT in a 4-3......and a DE in a 3-4......and the stools are a 3-4 right now....

  • sad that you have emotional-knee jerksies and think that only squealer fans "follow football".

    BTW, your squealers suck three rivers scummy bildgewater.

    We were at the NFL HOF down the road... and several real

    football fans were complaining to the management that

    the squealer references were stinking up all of the entire area for blocks.

    Too bad, it's Sherwin Willaims day there, and busloads of kids were coming through,

    and when they got close to any reference to the squealers, they were holding their noses and

    getting sick.

    have a nice day. 🙂

    @calfoxwc said:

    sad that you have emotional-knee jerksies and think that only squealer fans "follow football".

    BTW, your squealers suck three rivers scummy bildgewater.

    We were at the NFL HOF down the road... and several real

    football fans were complaining to the management that

    the squealer references were stinking up all of the entire area for blocks.

    Too bad, it's Sherwin Willaims day there, and busloads of kids were coming through,

    and when they got close to any reference to the squealers, they were holding their noses and

    getting sick.

    have a nice day. 🙂

    I don't think only Steeler fans know football, there are plenty of knowledgeable football fans here. I just think Gipper is clueless.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I know my Team is the Browns. You very clearly don't follow football, you just watch the Steelers. You act like some little bitch who is some sort of little bitch authority. You talk out of your cunt more than you don't...and that's OK with me. Just don't act like you know what you are talking about when threads on anything related to football pop up. You don't have a clue.

    You really DON"t know anything about football. You just care about one team...and you think that everyone should know as much about that team as you do...which, actually, is not all that much. There have been numerous times that I have had to school you on your own team. Here you are crying like a little baby girl because some obscure DL for your team has been listed as a DT instead of a DL.

    Like I said, the guy has lined up many times in the middle and has roamed a bit all along the defensive front. ERGO, PFR had him listed as a DT. But that is something you apparently don't know about this player.

    You do realize that the Steelers play a 3-4...correct?......and, in a 3-4, there are no DT's.......just a Nose and 2 ends.....

    So, he is a DE, no matter what your PFR says.....(Stools depth chart has him at DE....and, dumb as they are, Id think the stools know where their own players go.....)

    and....Ill add.....that DE's(in a 3-4) are typically built more like a DT or are actually converted Dt's.....that is why Cooper was a de last year and will be a DT this year/////

    So....end the stupid debate.....he's a DT in a 4-3......and a DE in a 3-4......and the stools are a 3-4 right now....

    @mudfly said:

    You do realize that the Steelers play a 3-4...correct?......and, in a 3-4, there are no DT's.......just a Nose and 2 ends.....

    So, he is a DE, no matter what your PFR says.....(Stools depth chart has him at DE....and, dumb as they are, Id think the stools know where their own players go.....)

    and....Ill add.....that DE's(in a 3-4) are typically built more like a DT or are actually converted Dt's.....that is why Cooper was a de last year and will be a DT this year/////

    So....end the stupid debate.....he's a DT in a 4-3......and a DE in a 3-4......and the stools are a 3-4 right now....

    Good enough for me.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    sad that you have emotional-knee jerksies and think that only squealer fans "follow football".

    BTW, your squealers suck three rivers scummy bildgewater.

    We were at the NFL HOF down the road... and several real

    football fans were complaining to the management that

    the squealer references were stinking up all of the entire area for blocks.

    Too bad, it's Sherwin Willaims day there, and busloads of kids were coming through,

    and when they got close to any reference to the squealers, they were holding their noses and

    getting sick.

    have a nice day. 🙂

    I don't think only Steeler fans know football, there are plenty of knowledgeable football fans here. I just think Gipper is clueless.

    @vagitron said:

    I don't think only Steeler fans know football, there are plenty of knowledgeable football fans here. I just think Gipper is clueless.

    Says a guy that never attempts to answer basic football knowledge questions...and even if he did so he would not do so without cheating.

  • @mudfly said:

    You do realize that the Steelers play a 3-4...correct?......and, in a 3-4, there are no DT's.......just a Nose and 2 ends.....

    So, he is a DE, no matter what your PFR says.....(Stools depth chart has him at DE....and, dumb as they are, Id think the stools know where their own players go.....)

    and....Ill add.....that DE's(in a 3-4) are typically built more like a DT or are actually converted Dt's.....that is why Cooper was a de last year and will be a DT this year/////

    So....end the stupid debate.....he's a DT in a 4-3......and a DE in a 3-4......and the stools are a 3-4 right now....

    Good enough for me.

    @the-gipper said:

    Good enough for me.

    Yes it's true plus a team adapts or designs their schemes around their basic philosophy -and- their talent at hand on the team.

  • @vagitron said:

    I don't think only Steeler fans know football, there are plenty of knowledgeable football fans here. I just think Gipper is clueless.

    Says a guy that never attempts to answer basic football knowledge questions...and even if he did so he would not do so without cheating.

    @the-gipper said:

    Says a guy that never attempts to answer basic football knowledge questions...and even if he did so he would not do so without cheating.

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Says a guy that never attempts to answer basic football knowledge questions...and even if he did so he would not do so without cheating.

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

    @vagitron said:

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

    It's still OK to give your opinion based upon your life experiences and what you've heard, read and seen, that's how you learn and then someday you can be an old geezer know-it-all. 😉

  • although, I'm in my sixties and don't care about the trivia crap anyways, since usually I never

    know the answers and even if I did, don't care...

  • Sounds like a guy who doesn't know the answers... 😉

  • @the-gipper said:

    Says a guy that never attempts to answer basic football knowledge questions...and even if he did so he would not do so without cheating.

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

    @vagitron said:

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

    So, in other words, you admit that you are the clueless one. Everything you say on here that you think you know so much about is just about some minutiae point about the Steelers team. Whether Stephon Tuitt is listed as a DT or a DE or rotates among positions is among the most purely minor trivia point anyone can think of.

    But you just don't see that, because you are typical stupid Steeler fan.

  • @vagitron said:

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

    So, in other words, you admit that you are the clueless one. Everything you say on here that you think you know so much about is just about some minutiae point about the Steelers team. Whether Stephon Tuitt is listed as a DT or a DE or rotates among positions is among the most purely minor trivia point anyone can think of.

    But you just don't see that, because you are typical stupid Steeler fan.

    @the-gipper said:

    So, in other words, you admit that you are the clueless one. Everything you say on here that you think you know so much about is just about some minutiae point about the Steelers team. Whether Stephon Tuitt is listed as a DT or a DE or rotates among positions is among the most purely minor trivia point anyone can think of.

    But you just don't see that, because you are typical stupid Steeler fan.

    I know what I classify as a lot about the league and the game since I started following in my early teens. I don't know a lot about the NFL pre merger. The game in the here and now? You aren't close. You barely know your own damn team.
  • Sounds like a guy who doesn't know the answers... 😉

    @tour2ma said:

    Sounds like a guy who doesn't know the answers... 😉

    Premerger? I don't. I know some but not enough to speak intelligently. The era didn't and doesn't interest me outside of Jim Brown highlights and a select few others.

  • @vagitron said:

    I'm not a football historian. I was born in 82. I have zero interest in those "trivia" things you do and don't participate for that reason. I didn't start diligently following football until around my early teenage years. I had too much going on, on the weekends. If I were in my 60's maybe I'd be more inclined to participate.

    It's still OK to give your opinion based upon your life experiences and what you've heard, read and seen, that's how you learn and then someday you can be an old geezer know-it-all. 😉

    @mjp28 said:

    It's still OK to give your opinion based upon your life experiences and what you've heard, read and seen, that's how you learn and then someday you can be an old geezer know-it-all. 😉

    Oh believe me I soak up a ton of information and am pretty well versed in a good number of things. I just never took an interest in the NFL pre-merger. I can appreciate it but I don't have the desire to dive into it and become someone that can talk about it freely. As humans we are never done learning. I'm 100% with you.

  • @the-gipper said:

    So, in other words, you admit that you are the clueless one. Everything you say on here that you think you know so much about is just about some minutiae point about the Steelers team. Whether Stephon Tuitt is listed as a DT or a DE or rotates among positions is among the most purely minor trivia point anyone can think of.

    But you just don't see that, because you are typical stupid Steeler fan.

    I know what I classify as a lot about the league and the game since I started following in my early teens. I don't know a lot about the NFL pre merger. The game in the here and now? You aren't close. You barely know your own damn team.

    @vagitron said:

    I know what I classify as a lot about the league and the game since I started following in my early teens. I don't know a lot about the NFL pre merger. The game in the here and now? You aren't close. You barely know your own damn team.

    The merger happened during my senior year in high school and I'm 66 going on 67 now.

  • @vagitron said:

    I know what I classify as a lot about the league and the game since I started following in my early teens. I don't know a lot about the NFL pre merger. The game in the here and now? You aren't close. You barely know your own damn team.

    The merger happened during my senior year in high school and I'm 66 going on 67 now.

    @mjp28 said:

    The merger happened during my senior year in high school and I'm 66 going on 67 now.

    Around my dad's age if he were still alive. I will be 35 in september.

  • @mjp28 said:

    The merger happened during my senior year in high school and I'm 66 going on 67 now.

    Around my dad's age if he were still alive. I will be 35 in september.

    @vagitron said:

    Around my dad's age if he were still alive. I will be 35 in september.

    You are September 27 I'm 28.