Orchard moving to DE Kirksey to OLB
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Orchard is in dire straits. He's going to have to show promise at DE or his next move might be out the door. My main fear with this move is that Bryant is shown the door.
And Kirksey, didn't he already move inside FROM outside? I thought he was getting torched by pass catching RB's...or am I thinking of somebody else?
Orchard is in dire straits. He's going to have to show promise at DE or his next move might be out the door. My main fear with this move is that Bryant is shown the door.
And Kirksey, didn't he already move inside FROM outside? I thought he was getting torched by pass catching RB's...or am I thinking of somebody else?
I dont see why Orchard would be in dire straits....had a strong rookie season and really came on strong the last few games, then missed all of 2016 with an injury.......as a 2nd round pick, I see no reason the Browns would even consider getting rid of him with only 8 starts under his belt....seems crazy to me....
Kirksey was a MLB the whole time he was here....twas Mingo, Bryant and Kruger getting burned daily,,,,and twas Kruges(and half this board) who cried and cried about him having to cover(42 times in 16 games, btw) ...not Kirksey....
On Orchard... why would his move impact Bryant, a pure, 3/5 tech DT? Simply DL nose count?
4-3 DE for Orchard.....should be a good fit.....(fingers crossed)....and, yeah, lets hope he DOES beat out the older - over paid Bryant.....that would be a sign of improvement on a line that has performed poorly....(consistently).....
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Orchard is in dire straits. He's going to have to show promise at DE or his next move might be out the door. My main fear with this move is that Bryant is shown the door.
And Kirksey, didn't he already move inside FROM outside? I thought he was getting torched by pass catching RB's...or am I thinking of somebody else?
I dont see why Orchard would be in dire straits....had a strong rookie season and really came on strong the last few games, then missed all of 2016 with an injury.......as a 2nd round pick, I see no reason the Browns would even consider getting rid of him with only 8 starts under his belt....seems crazy to me....
Kirksey was a MLB the whole time he was here....twas Mingo, Bryant and Kruger getting burned daily,,,,and twas Kruges(and half this board) who cried and cried about him having to cover(42 times in 16 games, btw) ...not Kirksey....
On Orchard... why would his move impact Bryant, a pure, 3/5 tech DT? Simply DL nose count?
4-3 DE for Orchard.....should be a good fit.....(fingers crossed)....and, yeah, lets hope he DOES beat out the older - over paid Bryant.....that would be a sign of improvement on a line that has performed poorly....(consistently).....
4-3 DE for Orchard.....should be a good fit.....(fingers crossed)....and, yeah, lets hope he DOES beat out the older - over paid Bryant.....that would be a sign of improvement on a line that has performed poorly....(consistently).....
Sir Mud, all we got to go on is the last time we saw Orch..It was a preseason game at GB after Hue stated all previous draftees would be re-evaluated..May not mean a thing**** but why was Orch out there still playing with 3rd & 4th on depth chart in 4th qtr??..we shall see, it is not Horton's defense
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Collins is top10... as a MLB. He is absolutely not top-anything as an OLB. Davis is not an NFL-level starter.
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Orchard is in dire straits. He's going to have to show promise at DE or his next move might be out the door. My main fear with this move is that Bryant is shown the door.
And Kirksey, didn't he already move inside FROM outside? I thought he was getting torched by pass catching RB's...or am I thinking of somebody else?
I dont see why Orchard would be in dire straits....had a strong rookie season and really came on strong the last few games, then missed all of 2016 with an injury.......as a 2nd round pick, I see no reason the Browns would even consider getting rid of him with only 8 starts under his belt....seems crazy to me....
Kirksey was a MLB the whole time he was here....twas Mingo, Bryant and Kruger getting burned daily,,,,and twas Kruges(and half this board) who cried and cried about him having to cover(42 times in 16 games, btw) ...not Kirksey....
On Orchard... why would his move impact Bryant, a pure, 3/5 tech DT? Simply DL nose count?
4-3 DE for Orchard.....should be a good fit.....(fingers crossed)....and, yeah, lets hope he DOES beat out the older - over paid Bryant.....that would be a sign of improvement on a line that has performed poorly....(consistently).....
I dont see why Orchard would be in dire straits....had a strong rookie season and really came on strong the last few games, then missed all of 2016 with an injury.......as a 2nd round pick, I see no reason the Browns would even consider getting rid of him with only 8 starts under his belt....seems crazy to me....
Kirksey was a MLB the whole time he was here....twas Mingo, Bryant and Kruger getting burned daily,,,,and twas Kruges(and half this board) who cried and cried about him having to cover(42 times in 16 games, btw) ...not Kirksey....
4-3 DE for Orchard.....should be a good fit.....(fingers crossed)....and, yeah, lets hope he DOES beat out the older - over paid Bryant.....that would be a sign of improvement on a line that has performed poorly....(consistently).....
Des Bryant?
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Yes, Desmond Bryant. Up to now he's been about the only guy who could pressure a QB....even though he doesn't have huge sack numbers.
Not for nothin' but I ain't ever seen Orchard do much of anything.
We have a new D-Coordinator, so, all bets might be off.
.....and it must have been Robertson that I saw chasing pass catching RB's.
I remember against the Patriots, one play they sent their pass catching RB split out wide left, and Robertson went out there with him.....I immediately yelled out (I was in the stands) There's a linebacker in coverage! Well, Robertson DID stop the RB...but it was 50 yards downfield.
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I fail to see how Orchard will be taking Des' spot...?
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Yeah... even that one flew over my head... standing on a chair.
On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
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Yeah... even that one flew over my head... standing on a chair.
On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
Good stuff! I could see us keep the 9 you list.
I like Bryant's flexibility to play virtually any technique upfront. There's even been occasions where Bryant lined up on the Nose vrs Cincy (the last time we beat them in 2014). He's been a great guy to have especially when we were working around injuries. Me thinks he still could be if there isn't a hurry to race him out of here due to his age. He should have fresh legs after missing last season. I'd love to see this guy in Gregg Williams' D.
Right now, the depth for the dline depth looks good on paper. That said, injuries in training camp and preseason can change that quickly.
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Yeah... even that one flew over my head... standing on a chair.
On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
Yeah... even that one flew over my head... standing on a chair.
On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
Seems fair. Will they keep that many? If so, we will have to add an O to the GOOONS squad. Or to the GOOOMBaS.
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On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
Good stuff! I could see us keep the 9 you list.
I like Bryant's flexibility to play virtually any technique upfront. There's even been occasions where Bryant lined up on the Nose vrs Cincy (the last time we beat them in 2014). He's been a great guy to have especially when we were working around injuries. Me thinks he still could be if there isn't a hurry to race him out of here due to his age. He should have fresh legs after missing last season. I'd love to see this guy in Gregg Williams' D.
Right now, the depth for the dline depth looks good on paper. That said, injuries in training camp and preseason can change that quickly.
He's been a great guy to have .........
Me thinks he still could be if there isn't a hurry to race him out of here due to his age.
It almost seems that their analytic software makes the computers boot out veterans.
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That is why I say that Dez Bryant will likely be on the chopping block. At this point he may not fit their computer model.
i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
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That is why I say that Dez Bryant will likely be on the chopping block. At this point he may not fit their computer model.
i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
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i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Agreed Tia, Danny's not going anywhere. Jobi is a bull-dozing 3tech tank..straight forward..but check out Jobi's tape & watch his lateral foot work/movement? Williams has got some work on him just like any other draftee..but Williams did have his hands on him at senior bowl
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