Camp Coleman... Shon that is...
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We really need Coleman to make a 2nd year jump forward...cos I certainly don't get the warm fuzzies that Erving will ever hold down an OL position.
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We drafted 4 WR last year including one in the first round, and a TE in the first round this year. We are investing more in the skill positions.@ghoolie said:
YAWN........................... Guess what? The Browns OL will again be shit, and will again be decimated by injury. WHY? BECAUSE NO 5 MEN CAN BLOCK 9 MEN. With a total lack of offensive weapons, opposing defenses will camp out near the LOS, just like they have since 1999.
This OL will give no more protection than last year's OL did. The results will the same.
- QB holds on to the ball too fucking long
- defense crowds the box
- QB gets his cock and eggs scrambled
- Browns are forced into a dink and dump offense once again
- Defense spends too much time on field
Just watch and see. The new fatasses will look no different from the old fatasses.
WHY? Because OL are the least talented athletes NO JUST ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD.................but in ALL OF PRO SPORTS. Offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
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We really need Coleman to make a 2nd year jump forward...cos I certainly don't get the warm fuzzies that Erving will ever hold down an OL position.
Also took a QB, signed an experienced WR and added a RB through the draft to a couple of promising RB pickups...
We really need Coleman to make a 2nd year jump forward...cos I certainly don't get the warm fuzzies that Erving will ever hold down an OL position.
Preaching to the choir on Erving...
Best I can do on Shon is "Book It!"... the kid is going to be good... real good... will make us forget "the Schwartz" by the end of 2018.
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We drafted 4 WR last year including one in the first round, and a TE in the first round this year. We are investing more in the skill positions.@ghoolie said:
YAWN........................... Guess what? The Browns OL will again be shit, and will again be decimated by injury. WHY? BECAUSE NO 5 MEN CAN BLOCK 9 MEN. With a total lack of offensive weapons, opposing defenses will camp out near the LOS, just like they have since 1999.
This OL will give no more protection than last year's OL did. The results will the same.
- QB holds on to the ball too fucking long
- defense crowds the box
- QB gets his cock and eggs scrambled
- Browns are forced into a dink and dump offense once again
- Defense spends too much time on field
Just watch and see. The new fatasses will look no different from the old fatasses.
WHY? Because OL are the least talented athletes NO JUST ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD.................but in ALL OF PRO SPORTS. Offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
We drafted 4 WR last year including one in the first round, and a TE in the first round this year. We are investing more in the skill positions.
I have a good feeling with this TE we just picked up....think he'll show up....
But those 4 WR's we picked?....not so much.....just a big pile of crapola, so far....
Best I can do on Shon is "Book It!"... the kid is going to be good... real good... will make us forget "the Schwartz" by the end of 2018.
Ok then......Im in.....especially since Shashi let our one viable RT walk and put Erving in as the reserve option....
Am I the only one that see's this as a disaster waiting to happen????.....Coleman will have a sore knee by week 2, then what?
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Durability at the oline last year was horrible
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We drafted 4 WR last year including one in the first round, and a TE in the first round this year. We are investing more in the skill positions.
I have a good feeling with this TE we just picked up....think he'll show up....
But those 4 WR's we picked?....not so much.....just a big pile of crapola, so far....
Best I can do on Shon is "Book It!"... the kid is going to be good... real good... will make us forget "the Schwartz" by the end of 2018.
Ok then......Im in.....especially since Shashi let our one viable RT walk and put Erving in as the reserve option....
Am I the only one that see's this as a disaster waiting to happen????.....Coleman will have a sore knee by week 2, then what?
Ok then......Im in.....especially since Shashi let our one viable RT walk and put Erving in as the reserve option....
Am I the only one that see's this as a disaster waiting to happen????.....Coleman will have a sore knee by week 2, then what?
Unless Erving really surprises me, I don't see him competing for the RT job even if Coleman gets re-injured. Greco was a Tackle coming out of college so it's conceivable that Zeitler starting at RG places Greco as our #2 option to Coleman at RT. Drango might not even be a bad option (with a year under his belt) if Coleman can't stay healthy.
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Ok then......Im in.....especially since Shashi let our one viable RT walk and put Erving in as the reserve option....
Am I the only one that see's this as a disaster waiting to happen????.....Coleman will have a sore knee by week 2, then what?
Unless Erving really surprises me, I don't see him competing for the RT job even if Coleman gets re-injured. Greco was a Tackle coming out of college so it's conceivable that Zeitler starting at RG places Greco as our #2 option to Coleman at RT. Drango might not even be a bad option (with a year under his belt) if Coleman can't stay healthy.
Unless Erving really surprises me, I don't see him competing for the RT job even if Coleman gets re-injured. Greco was a Tackle coming out of college so it's conceivable that Zeitler starting at RG places Greco as our #2 option to Coleman at RT. Drango might not even be a bad option (with a year under his belt) if Coleman can't stay healthy.
Well he is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort.....Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured.....so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter......
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan.....
They should cut Erving, sign Pazstor and go about their business.....
(wondering if Pazstor screwed Shashi's boy friend or something)....(completely dont get why he is gone)
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Is Pasztor still out there unsigned? What is going on there? Is he an unrestricted FA...or restricted somehow?
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Is Pasztor still out there unsigned? What is going on there? Is he an unrestricted FA...or restricted somehow?
Is Pasztor still out there unsigned? What is going on there? Is he an unrestricted FA...or restricted somehow?
yes...he is unsigned.....and Erving is holding his roster spot.....
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And he is only 26 so age can't be the issue.
And he is only 26 so age can't be the issue.
Money ball, bro, money ball.....
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That plus Pasztor was mediocre.
Mediocre is just fine, when it's time for next man up.....way better than shitty, Id say.....depth is necessary and you dont get "greats" as back ups....its shit or mediocre.....choose your poison...
Paz was better than mediocre...
I'd send Erving packing and sign him in a minute, if his price was backup base plus PT incentives...
Just in case Mud puttin' his stink eye on my guy comes to pass....
Ha....reality is that we cant count on Coleman....hasnt shown he can even play....had serious injury that took a year to heal....too many questions....
Pazstor wants low starters money and the Browns dont want to pay a back up starters money....plain and simple money ball....thats Depos game.....so, we get what we pay for and we want a cheap back up......
Just another example of dumping talent and replacing it with crap.....even if it's 2nd tier talent being replaced by second tier crap....Browns need to learn how to promote others to starter, whilst retaining the existing talent for depth,,,,,a serious shortcoming through out this most recent build.....
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Unless Erving really surprises me, I don't see him competing for the RT job even if Coleman gets re-injured. Greco was a Tackle coming out of college so it's conceivable that Zeitler starting at RG places Greco as our #2 option to Coleman at RT. Drango might not even be a bad option (with a year under his belt) if Coleman can't stay healthy.
Well he is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort.....Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured.....so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter......
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan.....
They should cut Erving, sign Pazstor and go about their business.....
(wondering if Pazstor screwed Shashi's boy friend or something)....(completely dont get why he is gone)
Well he (Erving) is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
- MudHave they put the pads and done any okie drills yet? I haven't seen Erving compete yet when he's had the pads on. He did a poor job at RG before doing a poor job at Center so today they are putting him as far away from our passer as they can. Let's not pretend that's because he competes.
- Flugel But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort..... Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured..... - Mud
According to you - not him. Have you heard what he's had to say about his injury, rehab and expectation for 2017? You might want to. Bitonio had the same injury and I don't hear all your negativity about his future. Greco may be 32 but he didn't have a lot of wear and tear his first 4 years in the league as a non starter so there's no reason to think he can't continue to enjoy his prime years as a Pro at least another year or 2. - Flugel
so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter...... - Mud
Greco was starting at RG while Bitonio was starting at LG in 2016 so that only left Pazstor looking for a starting job at the only opening at RT (especially since he couldn't beat out either OG). Just think, if Pazstor actually impressed any of the 32 NFL teams out there - he'd at least be employed by 1 of them looking for depth at OG or OT at the humbling wages of an unemployed player. That's about as money ball intriguing as it gets unless there's 32 NFL teams thinking he can't play OT.
As I already stated (and you quickly dismissed it), Zeitler was brought here to be the starting RG in 2017 so now Greco is in the position that Pazstor was in last year where his best chance to start should be at RT. Consequently, if I had to put $ down on who I think would make a better RT between Greco and Erving, it would easily be the guy (Greco) that has looked good playing LG, RG and C after he started all 4 years at OT in college over Erving who looked bad at OG and C. Do I need to explain the difference between succeeding at each spot vrs running out of opportunities to fuck up? There's a reason, or countless reasons, why it was usually Erving or Pazstor leaving our fans most frustrated. One of them was overrated in the draft so he's been in charge of walking his football career to the edge of the plank.
Drango was a late round pick so the expectation was never to start him immediately. That said, he was placed in the starting line up on certain situations we went with an unbalanced line to gain some experience as a rookie as well as filling in for injured starters here and there at OG. I've seen plenty of olinemen here over the years make huge progress after their rookie years going from non-starters to starters. I like Drango's resume (now with experience) enough to think he can at least offer up a healthier competition than we saw in 2016 for the RT spot. Between Coleman, Greco, Drango and any others going for it at RT - I'm not nearly as sold as you that it's a bad plan.
- Flugel
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan..... -Mudfly
If your Austin Pasztor is such a huge bargain for a young guy - why hasn't 1 of 32 NFL teams signed the guy? Who, besides you, says Greco will be limping any more than Bitonio will be?
Back to why I think Greco is a good idea to compete with Coleman and Drango/whoever else for the RT job. He was a 4 year starter as an OT at Toledo (1 year at RT and 3 at LT), which made him a 65th pick overall (#1 in rd 3) for the Rams. After he was traded to Cleveland - he eventually started at LG, RG and Center. Does that complete the cycle of a linemen capable of playing all 5 offensive line spots? I haven't seen that type of flexibility here since Paul Farren started at 4 different spots on our oline here back when we frequented post seasons. - Flugel
They should cut Erving, - Mud
Ya think? You were just correcting me with a smiley face that Erving will be competing for a starting job. But now that you just had your light bulb moment that we should cut him. God bless ya! - Flugel
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Well he (Erving) is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
- MudHave they put the pads and done any okie drills yet? I haven't seen Erving compete yet when he's had the pads on. He did a poor job at RG before doing a poor job at Center so today they are putting him as far away from our passer as they can. Let's not pretend that's because he competes.
- Flugel But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort..... Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured..... - Mud
According to you - not him. Have you heard what he's had to say about his injury, rehab and expectation for 2017? You might want to. Bitonio had the same injury and I don't hear all your negativity about his future. Greco may be 32 but he didn't have a lot of wear and tear his first 4 years in the league as a non starter so there's no reason to think he can't continue to enjoy his prime years as a Pro at least another year or 2. - Flugel
so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter...... - Mud
Greco was starting at RG while Bitonio was starting at LG in 2016 so that only left Pazstor looking for a starting job at the only opening at RT (especially since he couldn't beat out either OG). Just think, if Pazstor actually impressed any of the 32 NFL teams out there - he'd at least be employed by 1 of them looking for depth at OG or OT at the humbling wages of an unemployed player. That's about as money ball intriguing as it gets unless there's 32 NFL teams thinking he can't play OT.
As I already stated (and you quickly dismissed it), Zeitler was brought here to be the starting RG in 2017 so now Greco is in the position that Pazstor was in last year where his best chance to start should be at RT. Consequently, if I had to put $ down on who I think would make a better RT between Greco and Erving, it would easily be the guy (Greco) that has looked good playing LG, RG and C after he started all 4 years at OT in college over Erving who looked bad at OG and C. Do I need to explain the difference between succeeding at each spot vrs running out of opportunities to fuck up? There's a reason, or countless reasons, why it was usually Erving or Pazstor leaving our fans most frustrated. One of them was overrated in the draft so he's been in charge of walking his football career to the edge of the plank.
Drango was a late round pick so the expectation was never to start him immediately. That said, he was placed in the starting line up on certain situations we went with an unbalanced line to gain some experience as a rookie as well as filling in for injured starters here and there at OG. I've seen plenty of olinemen here over the years make huge progress after their rookie years going from non-starters to starters. I like Drango's resume (now with experience) enough to think he can at least offer up a healthier competition than we saw in 2016 for the RT spot. Between Coleman, Greco, Drango and any others going for it at RT - I'm not nearly as sold as you that it's a bad plan.
- Flugel
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan..... -Mudfly
If your Austin Pasztor is such a huge bargain for a young guy - why hasn't 1 of 32 NFL teams signed the guy? Who, besides you, says Greco will be limping any more than Bitonio will be?
Back to why I think Greco is a good idea to compete with Coleman and Drango/whoever else for the RT job. He was a 4 year starter as an OT at Toledo (1 year at RT and 3 at LT), which made him a 65th pick overall (#1 in rd 3) for the Rams. After he was traded to Cleveland - he eventually started at LG, RG and Center. Does that complete the cycle of a linemen capable of playing all 5 offensive line spots? I haven't seen that type of flexibility here since Paul Farren started at 4 different spots on our oline here back when we frequented post seasons. - Flugel
They should cut Erving, - Mud
Ya think? You were just correcting me with a smiley face that Erving will be competing for a starting job. But now that you just had your light bulb moment that we should cut him. God bless ya! - Flugel
Well he (Erving) is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
- MudHave they put the pads and done any okie drills yet? I haven't seen Erving compete yet when he's had the pads on. He did a poor job at RG before doing a poor job at Center so today they are putting him as far away from our passer as they can. Let's not pretend that's because he competes.
- FlugelI can agree that he is not a competitive talent....and not a good player....but the Browns have clearly stated he is competing for the RT job...its not my idea, it's theirs....
But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort..... Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured..... - Mud
According to you - not him. Have you heard what he's had to say about his injury, rehab and expectation for 2017? You might want to. Bitonio had the same injury and I don't hear all your negativity about his future. Greco may be 32 but he didn't have a lot of wear and tear his first 4 years in the league as a non starter so there's no reason to think he can't continue to enjoy his prime years as a Pro at least another year or 2. - Flugel
Im not counting him out Fluges....Im saying we dont know, so he's not a great plan going forward....."if" he doesnt return to form, then where are we?.....are you guaranteeing that he will?....thats all Im saying....Pazstor was our best LT last year, so how are these other guys a better idea?
and in re to you saying he has another year or 2 in him.....doesnt that go against this whole youth movement???.....when you have a second year guy who starts every game and performs pretty well, do you cut him for a 32 year old, coming off major surgery, who has only a couple years in him, to act as back up for a position he hasnt played in 10 years?......read this back a couple times and then tell me how that plan is reasonable, in light of the moves and direction this team has chosen to go lately.....
so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter...... - Mud
Greco was starting at RG while Bitonio was starting at LG in 2016 so that only left Pazstor looking for a starting job at the only opening at RT (especially since he couldn't beat out either OG). Just think, if Pazstor actually impressed any of the 32 NFL teams out there - he'd at least be employed by 1 of them looking for depth at OG or OT at the humbling wages of an unemployed player. That's about as money ball intriguing as it gets unless there's 32 NFL teams thinking he can't play OT.
Yet Hue thought enough of him to have him start every game.....
As I already stated (and you quickly dismissed it),
I didnt dismiss anything....are you getting butt hurt again?....
Zeitler was brought here to be the starting RG in 2017 so now Greco is in the position that Pazstor was in last year where his best chance to start should be at RT.
Using your logic, why was Zietler brought in if Greco is so great?.....shouldnt they have just brought in a RT?
Consequently, if I had to put $ down on who I think would make a better RT between Greco and Erving, it would easily be the guy (Greco) that has looked good playing LG, RG and C after he started all 4 years at OT in college over Erving who looked bad at OG and C. Do I need to explain the difference between succeeding at each spot vrs running out of opportunities to fuck up? There's a reason, or countless reasons, why it was usually Erving or Pazstor leaving our fans most frustrated. One of them was overrated in the draft so he's been in charge of walking his football career to the edge of the plank.
Again....simply put....there are no guarantees with Greco, so Id like to have a plan in place for RT....I agree that he'd be better than Erving, as would Pazstor(which is my WHOLE point).....Erving bites, yet the Browns want to try him there....this makes me nervous, as they are the same ones that thought a whole season at C was a good idea.....so excuse me for wanting depth after watching last years debacle.....
Drango was a late round pick so the expectation was never to start him immediately. That said, he was placed in the starting line up on certain situations we went with an unbalanced line to gain some experience as a rookie as well as filling in for injured starters here and there at OG. I've seen plenty of olinemen here over the years make huge progress after their rookie years going from non-starters to starters. I like Drango's resume (now with experience) enough to think he can at least offer up a healthier competition than we saw in 2016 for the RT spot. Between Coleman, Greco, Drango and any others going for it at RT - I'm not nearly as sold as you that it's a bad plan.
- Flugel
I, and I think most people, had Drango at Guard.....simple....but we can bounce em around if you want....again, no issues with Drango, just think Pazstor is better....
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan..... -Mudfly
If your Austin Pasztor is such a huge bargain for a young guy - why hasn't 1 of 32 NFL teams signed the guy? Who, besides you, says Greco will be limping any more than Bitonio will be?
I didnt say he would be....I said there is no guarantee he wont be.....and Im not so sure he'll be a great T or better than Paz at RT....healthy or not...
Back to why I think Greco is a good idea to compete with Coleman and Drango/whoever else for the RT job. He was a 4 year starter as an OT at Toledo (1 year at RT and 3 at LT), which made him a 65th pick overall (#1 in rd 3) for the Rams. After he was traded to Cleveland - he eventually started at LG, RG and Center. Does that complete the cycle of a linemen capable of playing all 5 offensive line spots? I haven't seen that type of flexibility here since Paul Farren started at 4 different spots on our oline here back when we frequented post seasons. - Flugel
Again...no issues with Greco....have always liked him....(Ill say it a thousand times).....still think Pazstor is a better option
They should cut Erving, - Mud
Ya think? You were just correcting me with a smiley face that Erving will be competing for a starting job. But now that you just had your light bulb moment that we should cut him. God bless ya! - Flugel
No...I wasnt correcting you, I was making a joke(with a winkie poo) that you completely missed, then went into the butthurt Flugel dance.... as usual......which triggered this^^^???....Technically Erving IS competing for the position...and Ive always said they should cut him.....all last year too....he bites and should not be here, while Pazstor isnt.....
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We really need Coleman to make a 2nd year jump forward...cos I certainly don't get the warm fuzzies that Erving will ever hold down an OL position.
We really need Coleman to make a 2nd year jump forward...cos I certainly don't get the warm fuzzies that Erving will ever hold down an OL position.
What are you talking about? He got down on all fours several times to hold that OL together and even laid down his body to force people to walk over his chest.
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Well he (Erving) is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
- MudHave they put the pads and done any okie drills yet? I haven't seen Erving compete yet when he's had the pads on. He did a poor job at RG before doing a poor job at Center so today they are putting him as far away from our passer as they can. Let's not pretend that's because he competes.
- FlugelI can agree that he is not a competitive talent....and not a good player....but the Browns have clearly stated he is competing for the RT job...its not my idea, it's theirs....
But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort..... Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured..... - Mud
According to you - not him. Have you heard what he's had to say about his injury, rehab and expectation for 2017? You might want to. Bitonio had the same injury and I don't hear all your negativity about his future. Greco may be 32 but he didn't have a lot of wear and tear his first 4 years in the league as a non starter so there's no reason to think he can't continue to enjoy his prime years as a Pro at least another year or 2. - Flugel
Im not counting him out Fluges....Im saying we dont know, so he's not a great plan going forward....."if" he doesnt return to form, then where are we?.....are you guaranteeing that he will?....thats all Im saying....Pazstor was our best LT last year, so how are these other guys a better idea?
and in re to you saying he has another year or 2 in him.....doesnt that go against this whole youth movement???.....when you have a second year guy who starts every game and performs pretty well, do you cut him for a 32 year old, coming off major surgery, who has only a couple years in him, to act as back up for a position he hasnt played in 10 years?......read this back a couple times and then tell me how that plan is reasonable, in light of the moves and direction this team has chosen to go lately.....
so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter...... - Mud
Greco was starting at RG while Bitonio was starting at LG in 2016 so that only left Pazstor looking for a starting job at the only opening at RT (especially since he couldn't beat out either OG). Just think, if Pazstor actually impressed any of the 32 NFL teams out there - he'd at least be employed by 1 of them looking for depth at OG or OT at the humbling wages of an unemployed player. That's about as money ball intriguing as it gets unless there's 32 NFL teams thinking he can't play OT.
Yet Hue thought enough of him to have him start every game.....
As I already stated (and you quickly dismissed it),
I didnt dismiss anything....are you getting butt hurt again?....
Zeitler was brought here to be the starting RG in 2017 so now Greco is in the position that Pazstor was in last year where his best chance to start should be at RT.
Using your logic, why was Zietler brought in if Greco is so great?.....shouldnt they have just brought in a RT?
Consequently, if I had to put $ down on who I think would make a better RT between Greco and Erving, it would easily be the guy (Greco) that has looked good playing LG, RG and C after he started all 4 years at OT in college over Erving who looked bad at OG and C. Do I need to explain the difference between succeeding at each spot vrs running out of opportunities to fuck up? There's a reason, or countless reasons, why it was usually Erving or Pazstor leaving our fans most frustrated. One of them was overrated in the draft so he's been in charge of walking his football career to the edge of the plank.
Again....simply put....there are no guarantees with Greco, so Id like to have a plan in place for RT....I agree that he'd be better than Erving, as would Pazstor(which is my WHOLE point).....Erving bites, yet the Browns want to try him there....this makes me nervous, as they are the same ones that thought a whole season at C was a good idea.....so excuse me for wanting depth after watching last years debacle.....
Drango was a late round pick so the expectation was never to start him immediately. That said, he was placed in the starting line up on certain situations we went with an unbalanced line to gain some experience as a rookie as well as filling in for injured starters here and there at OG. I've seen plenty of olinemen here over the years make huge progress after their rookie years going from non-starters to starters. I like Drango's resume (now with experience) enough to think he can at least offer up a healthier competition than we saw in 2016 for the RT spot. Between Coleman, Greco, Drango and any others going for it at RT - I'm not nearly as sold as you that it's a bad plan.
- Flugel
I, and I think most people, had Drango at Guard.....simple....but we can bounce em around if you want....again, no issues with Drango, just think Pazstor is better....
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan..... -Mudfly
If your Austin Pasztor is such a huge bargain for a young guy - why hasn't 1 of 32 NFL teams signed the guy? Who, besides you, says Greco will be limping any more than Bitonio will be?
I didnt say he would be....I said there is no guarantee he wont be.....and Im not so sure he'll be a great T or better than Paz at RT....healthy or not...
Back to why I think Greco is a good idea to compete with Coleman and Drango/whoever else for the RT job. He was a 4 year starter as an OT at Toledo (1 year at RT and 3 at LT), which made him a 65th pick overall (#1 in rd 3) for the Rams. After he was traded to Cleveland - he eventually started at LG, RG and Center. Does that complete the cycle of a linemen capable of playing all 5 offensive line spots? I haven't seen that type of flexibility here since Paul Farren started at 4 different spots on our oline here back when we frequented post seasons. - Flugel
Again...no issues with Greco....have always liked him....(Ill say it a thousand times).....still think Pazstor is a better option
They should cut Erving, - Mud
Ya think? You were just correcting me with a smiley face that Erving will be competing for a starting job. But now that you just had your light bulb moment that we should cut him. God bless ya! - Flugel
No...I wasnt correcting you, I was making a joke(with a winkie poo) that you completely missed, then went into the butthurt Flugel dance.... as usual......which triggered this^^^???....Technically Erving IS competing for the position...and Ive always said they should cut him.....all last year too....he bites and should not be here, while Pazstor isnt.....
Well he (Erving) is competing for the job......so you will definitely see it.....
- MudHave they put the pads and done any okie drills yet? I haven't seen Erving compete yet when he's had the pads on. He did a poor job at RG before doing a poor job at Center so today they are putting him as far away from our passer as they can. Let's not pretend that's because he competes.
- FlugelI can agree that he is not a competitive talent....and not a good player....but the Browns have clearly stated he is competing for the RT job...its not my idea, it's theirs....
But the Greco/Drango plan gives me zero comfort..... Greco may never play again....he's old....he's a guard....he's injured..... - Mud
According to you - not him. Have you heard what he's had to say about his injury, rehab and expectation for 2017? You might want to. Bitonio had the same injury and I don't hear all your negativity about his future. Greco may be 32 but he didn't have a lot of wear and tear his first 4 years in the league as a non starter so there's no reason to think he can't continue to enjoy his prime years as a Pro at least another year or 2. - Flugel
Im not counting him out Fluges....Im saying we dont know, so he's not a great plan going forward....."if" he doesnt return to form, then where are we?.....are you guaranteeing that he will?....thats all Im saying....Pazstor was our best LT last year, so how are these other guys a better idea?
and in re to you saying he has another year or 2 in him.....doesnt that go against this whole youth movement???.....when you have a second year guy who starts every game and performs pretty well, do you cut him for a 32 year old, coming off major surgery, who has only a couple years in him, to act as back up for a position he hasnt played in 10 years?......read this back a couple times and then tell me how that plan is reasonable, in light of the moves and direction this team has chosen to go lately.....
so not a good plan at RT......in fact, we had him all last year and Pazstor was still the best plan......we had Drango too, yet Pazstor was the starter...... - Mud
Greco was starting at RG while Bitonio was starting at LG in 2016 so that only left Pazstor looking for a starting job at the only opening at RT (especially since he couldn't beat out either OG). Just think, if Pazstor actually impressed any of the 32 NFL teams out there - he'd at least be employed by 1 of them looking for depth at OG or OT at the humbling wages of an unemployed player. That's about as money ball intriguing as it gets unless there's 32 NFL teams thinking he can't play OT.
Yet Hue thought enough of him to have him start every game.....
As I already stated (and you quickly dismissed it),
I didnt dismiss anything....are you getting butt hurt again?....
Zeitler was brought here to be the starting RG in 2017 so now Greco is in the position that Pazstor was in last year where his best chance to start should be at RT.
Using your logic, why was Zietler brought in if Greco is so great?.....shouldnt they have just brought in a RT?
Consequently, if I had to put $ down on who I think would make a better RT between Greco and Erving, it would easily be the guy (Greco) that has looked good playing LG, RG and C after he started all 4 years at OT in college over Erving who looked bad at OG and C. Do I need to explain the difference between succeeding at each spot vrs running out of opportunities to fuck up? There's a reason, or countless reasons, why it was usually Erving or Pazstor leaving our fans most frustrated. One of them was overrated in the draft so he's been in charge of walking his football career to the edge of the plank.
Again....simply put....there are no guarantees with Greco, so Id like to have a plan in place for RT....I agree that he'd be better than Erving, as would Pazstor(which is my WHOLE point).....Erving bites, yet the Browns want to try him there....this makes me nervous, as they are the same ones that thought a whole season at C was a good idea.....so excuse me for wanting depth after watching last years debacle.....
Drango was a late round pick so the expectation was never to start him immediately. That said, he was placed in the starting line up on certain situations we went with an unbalanced line to gain some experience as a rookie as well as filling in for injured starters here and there at OG. I've seen plenty of olinemen here over the years make huge progress after their rookie years going from non-starters to starters. I like Drango's resume (now with experience) enough to think he can at least offer up a healthier competition than we saw in 2016 for the RT spot. Between Coleman, Greco, Drango and any others going for it at RT - I'm not nearly as sold as you that it's a bad plan.
- Flugel
I, and I think most people, had Drango at Guard.....simple....but we can bounce em around if you want....again, no issues with Drango, just think Pazstor is better....
So, how is it a good plan to chop the one(affordable and young) guy who started all season and replace him with an old limping guard or your back up LG?......it's a bad bad plan..... -Mudfly
If your Austin Pasztor is such a huge bargain for a young guy - why hasn't 1 of 32 NFL teams signed the guy? Who, besides you, says Greco will be limping any more than Bitonio will be?
I didnt say he would be....I said there is no guarantee he wont be.....and Im not so sure he'll be a great T or better than Paz at RT....healthy or not...
Back to why I think Greco is a good idea to compete with Coleman and Drango/whoever else for the RT job. He was a 4 year starter as an OT at Toledo (1 year at RT and 3 at LT), which made him a 65th pick overall (#1 in rd 3) for the Rams. After he was traded to Cleveland - he eventually started at LG, RG and Center. Does that complete the cycle of a linemen capable of playing all 5 offensive line spots? I haven't seen that type of flexibility here since Paul Farren started at 4 different spots on our oline here back when we frequented post seasons. - Flugel
Again...no issues with Greco....have always liked him....(Ill say it a thousand times).....still think Pazstor is a better option
They should cut Erving, - Mud
Ya think? You were just correcting me with a smiley face that Erving will be competing for a starting job. But now that you just had your light bulb moment that we should cut him. God bless ya! - Flugel
No...I wasnt correcting you, I was making a joke(with a winkie poo) that you completely missed, then went into the butthurt Flugel dance.... as usual......which triggered this^^^???....Technically Erving IS competing for the position...and Ive always said they should cut him.....all last year too....he bites and should not be here, while Pazstor isnt.....
A Butt hurt accusation from you of all people? You're the king of temper tantrums since the last regime change. Nobody has complained and whined more frequently than you over the last year or 2 so you can spare me the plastic smiley faced emoticons and lectures about ass hurtsies. I had to intervene and stick up for you the last time someone was calling you out in the middle of a couple of your tantrums so I got your butt hurtsies right heresies...
As recently as this thread, who whimpered out an "Am I the only one with a great big ass bleed about our RT situation from the gigantic crow bar Sashi wedged up my dumpster?" Yeah, you are the only one that doesn't understand there's 31 other NFL teams that don't see the absolute bang for the buck at RT that you do with Austin Pazstor. What do you know that 32 NFL teams cannot possibly understand about Pazstor today?
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Ok....I give......Im wrong....
Pazstor sucks......Greco is the better RT....he will be 100% healthy.....completely return to form and be our answer going forward......
In fact, all my complaining was a waste......this team kicked ass last year, the draft picks were amazing, Hue is the next Bullychuck..... and I missed it it all......
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